Religion Poisons Everything

Woodstock.Hippie

Woodstock.Hippie

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+rep ThaDutchieCouple!




As a super-secret secular scientist,

I believe one of the underlying explanations for the existence of life as we understand it today

is very simply that genetic material continually strives for its most efficient distribution.

Just ask my Catholic family.
 
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seifer699

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you wake up in the morning, read the newspaper or tv, what do you believe? do not believe everything the media has to say, it is man made anything that is manmade has a possibility of faults, the fault i find nowadays would be false information.
 
anhedonia

anhedonia

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If you work for the chinese government you have to declare yourself athiest. If your wondering how an athiest society works just look at china. They worship money. And they are infamous for human rights abuses. Look what they have done to Tibet.
 
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PadawanBater

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anhedonia said:
If you work for the chinese government you have to declare yourself athiest. If your wondering how an athiest society works just look at china. They worship money. And they are infamous for human rights abuses. Look what they have done to Tibet.
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Got a source for me buddy?

Howbout look to Norway, Sweeden, or France... ya know those three European countries with outstanding GDP rates?

What about officially recognized religious nations, like Somalia, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iran, Egypt, Syria... I could go on and on.

I'd rather live in an atheist society, bet your ass on that one.
 
anhedonia

anhedonia

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Spoken like a true douche that lables himself as "athiest." Im coming to find your just as silly as Christians. The problem with an athiest society is that it opens the door to persecute those that do have spiritual beliefs. I would assume by your comment you know next to nothing about China's peaceful liberation of Tibet and the state of thier country today. ://www.tchrd.org/publications/annual_reports/1999/ I would much rather live under a benevolent dictatorship than some mindless athiest society. But really I think you mean to become enlightened by your "Rational" beliefs, or is it rather to just assert them and constantly argue wether some stupid god exists. Who cares. At least were all free to pursue what ever belief we want and not be persecuted by the government.
 
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PadawanBater

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anhedonia said:
Spoken like a true douche that lables himself as "athiest." Im coming to find your just as silly as Christians. The problem with an athiest society is that it opens the door to persecute those that do have spiritual beliefs.
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Couldn't be more wrong. In a hypothetical completely atheistic society, one would be totally free, not free in today's sense of the word, completely free, to believe whatever they wished without persecution from any authority. That's what I advocate. Believe what you want, you have that right. It's when you start pushing your beliefs onto me that causes problems. Seeing as atheism is simply the lack of belief, why don't you go ahead and tell me how one would go about doing that? I have nothing to push but ignorance out of society. Religious persecution comes from other religions, and always has.

I would assume by your comment you know next to nothing about China's peaceful liberation of Tibet and the state of thier country today. ://www.tchrd.org/publications/annual_reports/1999/ I would much rather live under a benevolent dictatorship than some mindless athiest society.
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That's pretty telling. "Benevolent dictatorship" - I guess that's how you'd pretty much sum up basking in heaven for all those Christian fundies eh? Fuck your subjective "benevolent dictatorship" - I'll think for myself and be responsible to myself. Also got a reality check for ya, here's a list of well known atheists, have fun with that, these guys are total idiots, I mean, what did they ever contribute to society, right?!;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nontheists_(science_and_technology)

Also, you guys should really start reading up on history and stop taking notes from creationist sources. You're idea that because China (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_China) is dominantly non religious (not atheist, which accounts for 8%-14%) that makes it a prime example for what an atheistic society would be. That's about as valid an argument as since Hitler believed in cell theory, cell theory is false. You make the classic mistake of looking at the worst bit of, what you interpret to be atheistic motivations, within dominantly non religious (again, not atheist) societies, then using that as an example of what atheism would produce. If that was the case, should we look at the Crusades as a prime example of what Christianity can produce? How about the witch burnings? Give me a break man, think for yourself and stop repeating retarded claims by creationists.
 
anhedonia

anhedonia

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You furthur illustrate my understanding of intelligence vs. true wizdom. It seems you simply refute what I have to say for the mere sake of arguing. No real meaning behind it since I dont have a damn thing to prove to you.
 
brainwarp

brainwarp

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I'm late coming in to this conversation, so I'm taking this back to the first post...

You're looking at the cup half empty. I can't explain why there is disease and hardships in the world. Look at the incredibly awesome things in life, and the universe. the human body alone, is proof of god. Don't confuse God with religion. Religion is bullshit, god is not. Religion exploits people, like a bad cult. ( I was raised catholic, but rejected their bullshit as cult brainwashing, once I learned to think for myself.)

This planet and solar system works in harmony to support all our intelligent lives. The earth, moon, and sun work in perfect harmony to provide a habitable place for us to live. It may not be perfect, but it's damn good. You certainly don't have anything to complain about there.

Mankind created most of the problems you list, and religion's poison is mostly to blame. The rest of the problems are from man's ignorance of the forces of nature. Religion has also hampered this also, by punishing people who advance science. This happened over and over throughout history. People had to hide their thoughts from religious leaders, to avoid being tortured to death. Where would our science be today, without all that oppression?

Until religions learn to respect people that disagree with their philosophy (i.e. become tolerant).... there will be war.
 
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PadawanBater

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anhedonia said:
You furthur illustrate my understanding of intelligence vs. true wizdom. It seems you simply refute what I have to say for the mere sake of arguing. No real meaning behind it since I dont have a damn thing to prove to you.
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You ever hear of the gateway drug theory? You know how stupid that is right... That's what you were doing with the arguments you came with. Maybe you've never heard a refutation or rebuttal to any of them, maybe you have... who knows, but you repeated essentially the exact same arguments I've personally been hearing since I got into this. It's like you guys take notes off eachother and never correct your ideas because the idea is what's important to you, not the truth. I might be completely generalizing you right now, I don't remember you personally ever advocating any specific creationist claims, but what you've been doing the past couple posts is just as ignorant. Go type in any of the claims you came with into google, followed by - rebuttal, and there you have it, the answers to all your questions and misconceptions.

Also, take a look at the atheism thread;

https://www.rollitup.org/spirituality-sexuality-philosophy/252681-atheism-80.html

A lot of this has already been covered.
 
ThaDutchieCouple

ThaDutchieCouple

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brainwarp said:
I'm late coming in to this conversation, so I'm taking this back to the first post...

You're looking at the cup half empty. I can't explain why there is disease and hardships in the world. Look at the incredibly awesome things in life, and the universe. the human body alone, is proof of god. Don't confuse God with religion. Religion is bullshit, god is not. Religion exploits people, like a bad cult. ( I was raised catholic, but rejected their bullshit as cult brainwashing, once I learned to think for myself.)

This planet and solar system works in harmony to support all our intelligent lives. The earth, moon, and sun work in perfect harmony to provide a habitable place for us to live. It may not be perfect, but it's damn good. You certainly don't have anything to complain about there.

Mankind created most of the problems you list, and religion's poison is mostly to blame. The rest of the problems are from man's ignorance of the forces of nature. Religion has also hampered this also, by punishing people who advance science. This happened over and over throughout history. People had to hide their thoughts from religious leaders, to avoid being tortured to death. Where would our science be today, without all that oppression?

Until religions learn to respect people that disagree with their philosophy (i.e. become tolerant).... there will be war.
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I agree with alot of your thinking. I was raised in christian family, baptized and all. I've gone to church countless times and i can honestly say i resieved nothing from it, or can i remember much except being bored, church was hell. I have no care for organizations such as religions or their braishwasshing beliefs, but i still dont fully doubt a higher source or energy within us, and the universe. I call myself antheist due the fact that religion is a huge threat to humanity and our future. But i dont doubt ghosts or parmomal acitivy and souls, i think there is actually way more evidence to prove that over jesus or this god character.
There is no heaven or hell, if anything i really do hope rencaration exists, kinda doubt it, but it would be nice if it happens!!
im just a free thinker lol :leaf:
 
Woodstock.Hippie

Woodstock.Hippie

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I believe it is possible for somethings to be in our driver's seat.

It is easy if you believe in spirits.

Is it possible for somethings to manage a company as large as Humanity?

Some believe most of Humanity deserves not be saved because they did not follow the recent rules of religion.

What about the beasts?

Will they be saved?

Will those who understand only squares be considered beasts?

Never forget evil prefers the shadowy end of a spectrum.
 
OregonMeds

OregonMeds

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ThaDutchieCouple said:

I agree with alot of your thinking. I was raised in christian family, baptized and all. I've gone to church countless times and i can honestly say i resieved nothing from it, or can i remember much except being bored, church was hell. I have no care for organizations such as religions or their braishwasshing beliefs, but i still dont fully doubt a higher source or energy within us, and the universe. I call myself antheist due the fact that religion is a huge threat to humanity and our future. But i dont doubt ghosts or parmomal acitivy and souls, i think there is actually way more evidence to prove that over jesus or this god character.
There is no heaven or hell, if anything i really do hope rencaration exists, kinda doubt it, but it would be nice if it happens!!
im just a free thinker lol :leaf:
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You don't qualify as an athiest if you believe there may be a higher power or if you believe in spirits or whatever. Sorry to be so harsh, but you completely fail as an athiest. You have part of it right, but most of it wrong.

Reincarnation? You may as well be a creationist.
 
morgentaler

morgentaler

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OregonMeds said:
You don't qualify as an athiest if you believe there may be a higher power or if you believe in spirits or whatever. Sorry to be so harsh, but you completely fail as an athiest. You have part of it right, but most of it wrong.

Reincarnation? You may as well be a creationist.
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True enough.

That would be an agnostic deist and anti-theist.
 
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sunshine17542

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If god really has power on the world, why do we face poverty, murder, war, flesh eating diseases, cancer, global warming, child abuse, dictatorship, racism and sexism, slavery.. the list goes on and on.
Why havnt any of these critical issues changed? Why hasnt god saved any of them?
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God did not create the suffering that occurs on earth. We did. Selfishness born from ignorance.
 
Woodstock.Hippie

Woodstock.Hippie

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Reincarnation ≠ Creation Myth

Higher Power ≠ Deity

included were many concepts in your quote, so it is hard to know exactly to that you refer.

≠ does not necessarily =

agnostic deist = I don't know if I believe in God?

antitheist = One who opposes God

atheist = One who opposes belief in God

Humanity can quickly do many great things, including eliminating the Human suffering that occurs on Earth.

Will they explain to their God why they have not?
 
OregonMeds

OregonMeds

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sunshine17542 said:
God did not create the suffering that occurs on earth. We did. Selfishness born from ignorance.
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According to your people god created the forbidden fruit and someone didn't listen to the warnings and ate it, and supposedly that's the beginning of all suffering on earth. No fruit, no suffering. Or had god created a better human that could follow instructions, no suffering.

You can't blame a single thing on humans if you believe a god is responsible for making us all that we are. He should have made us better, that would be his failure.

And our ignorance is also his doing, he didn't instill a single word inside us. He could have designed us to carry all kinds of knowledge and not be born ignorant of anything.
 
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sunshine17542

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OregonMeds said:
According to your people god created the forbidden fruit and someone didn't listen to the warnings and ate it, and supposedly that's the beginning of all suffering on earth. No fruit, no suffering. Or had god created a better human that could follow instructions, no suffering.

You can't blame a single thing on humans if you believe a god is responsible for making us all that we are. He should have made us better, that would be his failure.

And our ignorance is also his doing, he didn't instill a single word inside us. He could have designed us to carry all kinds of knowledge and not be born ignorant of anything.
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Who are my people? God gave us free will. It is our choice to do good or to do bad. How would God make us better? People are very smart and capable of wonderful things. We are here to learn. People need to learn to receive for the desire to share. God is all loving and all giving. We were put here to learn to be like God.
 
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