fish601
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with out a choice we wouldnt of had free will and without free will we would of just been robots. God wants us to choose him and he made it really easy
Religion Has Done More Bad Than Good
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hanimmal
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I pretty much was pissed for a bit after seeing this, since I took it as a slap in the face for trying to have a civil discussion with you and you saying it is silly, especially after I took hours to try to help you see the science of the math and data collection practices using actual evidence and not just bs and yelling. But I think that I had misread it.
If not let me know so that I can take offense.
But if my re-reading of it is right, and you are just saying that you are more strengthened in your beliefs then all is good, and I am happy for you being satisfied and confident in them.
But here is my question for you, how do you feel about what I had said? And tell you what ask your preacher about it, and please report back on how he/she answered it.
fish601
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why didnt god just put the people who were going to believe in heaven and the ones that didnt in hell? why even be born why not go straight to heaven or hell? why even be made at all? why does any of this exist?
god wanted it that way and he is in charge
sandmonkey
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I did.
Thought it was a rip-off of many other more in-depth documentaries, and actually serves the same system it claims to bash.
I thought we'd already covered this, but it appears that you still don't get it. DNA doesn't "know" anything. The reason these mutations were so successful is because they were beneficial to the creatures involved. Natural selection took care of the rest.fish601 said:
Regarding the evolution of eyes, I refer you, again, to the wiki article. Since there is little chance of you reading it, and even less chance of you comprehending it, here's a video that you may be able to digest a bit more easily.
That's a good approach, in theory. However, you seem to have some real problems processing any information which is contrary to your beliefs. You also have a lack of understanding of science, and scientific methodology, which leads you to approach problems from the wrong end.fish601 said:
I think it's just easier for you to believe than it is to actually learn.
pinkus
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thanks, i'd been looking for the vid. pretty persuasive.
pinkus
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i thought it was excellent... don't know how it could be construed as sand monkey did.
sandmonkey
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Because Peter Joseph is pushing forward the same agenda as the men behind the curtains.
His 1st part about Horus, Mithra, etc. is full of more errors than historical/mythical accuracy.
The part about 9/11 is just a crappy rip-off of Loose Change.
The third part about the Federal Reserve was just a way to shift the blame and our hate to a transient government body.
In short, this "documentary" is for people new to conspiracy theories; who think that by watching this crap they've now gotten such secret knowledge and know the whole truth.
Gimme a f'in break.
His 1st part about Horus, Mithra, etc. is full of more errors than historical/mythical accuracy.
The part about 9/11 is just a crappy rip-off of Loose Change.
The third part about the Federal Reserve was just a way to shift the blame and our hate to a transient government body.
In short, this "documentary" is for people new to conspiracy theories; who think that by watching this crap they've now gotten such secret knowledge and know the whole truth.
Gimme a f'in break.
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PadawanBater
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Fish, do you read the stuff we type on this thread?
We've been over the eye, and this entire concept you keep bring up of taking the conclusion of our reality - us existing - then backtracking from there.. It's OBVIOUS why you have a hard time grasping the theory of evolution, and that's not me being condescending or anything at all to you.
Imagine flipping a coin, it lands heads, then you say "see, there is absolutley NO WAY that coin could have come up tails!" - that is exactly what you're doing with evolution. You believe in the creation story. You believe that's how we came to be how we are today, that's why you cannot see any other possible outcomes to our existence. To you, creation is the answer and evolution is impossible... in your own words.
pinkus
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some people ARE new to any theories that contradict the line toted by the elite.
people are NOT going entertain much beyond that at their meal of alternate knowledge.
CrackerJax
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In the end all conspiracies have one fatal flaw of logic. They all take for granted that these intricate plots are continued year in and year out, ppl passing secret knowledge and power. All quite complicated and flawed.
Humans just can't usually pull that sort of thing off for long.
So as opposed to deep plotting and masterminding for centuries of hidden control, it's more likely to be just like the cops kicking in the door on D.C. Mayor Barry standing in a hotel room with a crack pipe.
Humans just can't usually pull that sort of thing off for long.
So as opposed to deep plotting and masterminding for centuries of hidden control, it's more likely to be just like the cops kicking in the door on D.C. Mayor Barry standing in a hotel room with a crack pipe.
fish601
Active Member
nothing can create everything? big bang
how did we know sight was available and how did we know it took an eye to see it? go back to the beginning of the development of an eye.. why start to develop something that was useless.. it took time for it to envolve into a working eye.
CrackerJax
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Just because you find a gap in our scientific knowledge (before the big bang), doesn't mean it's time to insert a 2000 year old myth as the answer.
Science has accurately gotten us to the point of origin. Outside of a primitive allegorical book which you think is true, because the book says its so
(this is critical thinking?), Religion has NO answers to anything. Yet, you give it EQUAL footing.
The problem isn't with science The problem lies with you.
Just because you don't have the XYZ of an equation worked out, doesn't mean inserting ABC is correct.
Science has accurately gotten us to the point of origin. Outside of a primitive allegorical book which you think is true, because the book says its so
(this is critical thinking?), Religion has NO answers to anything. Yet, you give it EQUAL footing. The problem isn't with science The problem lies with you.
Just because you don't have the XYZ of an equation worked out, doesn't mean inserting ABC is correct.
edwardtheclean
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i dont think it is religion, its humans using it as an excuse, Christ is the man, but that does not mean that christians are all ok, same with islam, islam could be peaceful but the uneducated people that take it way to serious make it all a mess, i am a christian, but i would never tell a muslim he would go to hell or anything, i dont beleive it,
i think any smart person would agree that there are good people and bad people.
i think the catholic church is a joke, but i dont tell my best friend he is following a fools path, because people could say the same to me, and a story from the crusades say that the muslims were actually way more merciful than the christians, like i would know tho, but my point is, if every one followed what their religion says to do, then the world would be a great place, but instead, people fight over the "holy land", does anyone really think God cares about a small piece of land???? i doubt it, anyways, i know that i was raised to respect people and their beliefs, i think most americans are raised that way, am i wrong????
i think any smart person would agree that there are good people and bad people.
i think the catholic church is a joke, but i dont tell my best friend he is following a fools path, because people could say the same to me, and a story from the crusades say that the muslims were actually way more merciful than the christians, like i would know tho, but my point is, if every one followed what their religion says to do, then the world would be a great place, but instead, people fight over the "holy land", does anyone really think God cares about a small piece of land???? i doubt it, anyways, i know that i was raised to respect people and their beliefs, i think most americans are raised that way, am i wrong????
hanimmal
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I can appreciate this. But that begs the question why go to church at all?
Yeah this is hard to get. But remember when we were talking about forensic study, you start at the present and continue to work backwards in time with the evidence that you have.
So we start with what we have, two color eyes. The reason why they are in the front of the face and not the sides is so that we can judge distance. You need two eyes to really get good perspective (Because one won't give you the depth). Put something small in front of you in the middle and close one eye and then the other. Having two eyes gives you a much better view of small objects and where to handle them. We covered the color part, because it is easier to see predators and prey in the jungle so we would survive better.
Interesting fact if you were not already aware. Land animals have developed the location of their eyes based on where they are in the food chain. If you see eyes on the side of the head it almost always (I say almost again because there may be somethign somewhere, but I doubt it) are the prey animals. They use the side eyes to track animals trying to flank them and since they don't need to worry about depth perception to eat grass or leaves it works well. Predators (meat eaters) almost always have eyes in the front of the head so that they can have that depth view when in battle.
Ok anyways sorry.
So we move back through evolution and get more and more primitive eyes colorblind, ect.
Eventually we need to figure out why we have eyes, so more it turns into a study of where they eye developed.
Here is a good cut/paste from:http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/01/1/l_011_01.html
Wow just found this try it (directions below picture):
Also I found that if you look at it about a foot from the screen and simply turn your head in a 'no' way with one eye closed you lose sight of it too (kind of disapears).
Anyway.
Did you know?
Like some other lizards, the Asian water dragon has a light sensitive spot located on top of its head known as the "parietal eye".
The light sensitive spots can be found in nature. Now most will have a more delevoped form as well. But you figure that you can feel the suns rays on your skin right, that would be a good place for the mutation to begin very early on. The mutation would allow just a sensitivity to light that would move to the next step, pigment cup.
Flat worms have this pigment cup.
Then Pin hole sight:
Ok the rest is pretty followable from there. So we got the eye development down.
Life:
If you can follow down to the eye, the next step is to get to the first lifeforms. We discusses this before. Basically it comes down to a bunch of factors that this planet had going for it. We are a good distance from the sun without being too far. So we are not too hot or too cold. Then you have a collision with another planet that spins off the moon (or moon is huge compared to its planet) this slows the spin rate to create the 24 hour day, and no crazy storms.
Then also this keeps our planet's crust/core from fully forming (like mars) into one mass so we get plate techtonics, This means that we get volcanoes that heat up water, and nasty checmicals in the air. This mixing with water, chemicals, temperature, lightning, oxygen, ect all created a brew for the earliest particles that made the first life on our planet to form.
This has been done in lab experiments http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2009/05/ribonucleotides/
So now we have life that through billions of years evolved to today.
So how did the earth form:
Basically our solar system was all a bunch of hurdling rocks gravitating around our star (that is hurdling through space). And those rocks bumped more and more int eachother until planets where formed.
http://ircamera.as.arizona.edu/astr_250/Lectures/Lec_22sml.htm
Here is a more readable one that I linked the other day: http://geology.about.com/od/nutshells/a/aa_earthbirth.htm
So then through the math that I had talked about earlier, we can follow the paths of these different solar systems and things in space to one central point. For that central point to be there that would mean that they had to of all at one point been apart of eachother. Right now the most scientific reason is the big bang theory. I think eventually it may somewhat be replaced, but the thing replacing it will still hold that is a point where one large explosion happened, but it could be something like that was one of many 'massive black holes' and there were several 'big bangs' which when you follow those back you find yet again one spot, on and on.
Anyway when you start from the info that we have, and real world examples, and math the timeline goes like this: Giant explosion that sent material out>> Material circles around the sun (large gravitational force that causes all debri to surround and rotate around it) >> material bumps into eachother and forms planets >>> planets collide and create moon and slow earths rotation allowing for plate techtonics and easier weather >>> weather mixed with several other factors shocked by lightning creates earliest particles of life >>> Life particles mix together and create earliest forms of life >>> Those mutate and combine to make newer more complex lifeforms >>> Lifeforms develop special advantages like light sensitive skin cells (seen today on some animals) >>> Those pigment cells develop further in lifeforms like flat worms that allows then to mutate into a more cave type depression to focus the light changes >>> Then more mutations form the pin hole eye >>> Eventually a skin is put over it (mussels) >>>> Turns into a lens (Octopus) >>> Evolution pushes water animals to develop into land life, where the eye is even more advantagous that in water so it further develops and speciallizes depending on the hunting paterns of the animal >>> Eventually humans evolve with color sight that allow them to see animals in the jungle.
And there you go, big bang to color sight.
CrackerJax
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All things Christian spring from the Catholic Church. If it is in error, all derivatives have the same errors.
It all starts with the BIG lie. The BOOK was written by G*D. Once u swallow that one...the rest of the craziness follows in totem.
It all starts with the BIG lie. The BOOK was written by G*D. Once u swallow that one...the rest of the craziness follows in totem.