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Landmark

Member
So if I ask you to look at something or consider it for yourself, isn't there the freedom to do it or not? You choose and you get to be responsible for that choice of looking, or not. If I tell you to look there is no choice inherently in that, do you see that?
 

Landmark

Member
my parents tried but that wore off when i got a car and moved into the garage, then that was the entirety of my life from 03-05 when i was dod property, but since, no ive been on retirement since i was 26, im 29 now, 3 years of doing whatever the hell i want and receiving a paycheck every month, which should actually post into my acct in 2 hrs 20 min.. then its wafflehouse time
if I may say it another way also, if I have seen something beautiful and I want to share that with you, do I describe it to you, or do I point to it and you discover it for yourself, or not. Do you see that the description is not the described? And I am off to bed, Thank you for sharing.
 

malignant

Well-Known Member
if I may say it another way also, if I have seen something beautiful and I want to share that with you, do I describe it to you, or do I point to it and you discover it for yourself, or not. Do you see that the description is not the described? And I am off to bed, Thank you for sharing.
pointing and allowing for individual discovery would have a deeper impact
 

Hepheastus420

Well-Known Member
Oh no, what the fuck am I looking for????

Has everyone's mind been blown, or did I just overload my brain with thoughts?
 

Landmark

Member
First psychadelic experience right now Landmark? ;)
No, not at all. And not now either. AND thank you for stopping by, actually I am off to bed unless there is anything pressing for you that matters that you would like to inquire into together
 

eye exaggerate

Well-Known Member
Is one pointing to everything/nothing?

For those interested...as a consideration
there is a center, "a me", that me is brought about through experience, images, stories. That center creates barriers about itself, through thought, by conditioning..."i am a_____",
"i believe ____", "i dont believe in_____", " i will never_____", "people are_____". So that center operates when in contact with another, constantly judging, assessing, evaluating, it exists in a world of morality, good/bad, right/wrong, justify/blame, it dominates/avoids domination. It is a reaction to life happening now, in the present moment. Being a reaction, can that center ever be in relationship, for where I am the other is not.

Can we meet in a totally new way?
...the non-physical locales are like receptors for a plus or a minus. I'll use the term 'bubble' here to get a point across, not to claim that people are in a 'bubble'. I 'see it' as bubbles that are in constant contact but yet glance off of each other in polarity.

"morphing us?"
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Lets begin here,
How do we meet each other?
In every case I can imagine, it is by being in nearly the same place at exactly the same time.

The trouble is that the word "meet" is prone to serious semantic differentiation. I used the most common meaning of "meet" to answer the question, If however you define "meet" in a lesser but still valid meaning, for instance "arrive at a consensus", the answer changes.

In order to advance the discussion out of the uselessly vague, I would ask you to supply what you mean in this instance by words that have an unfortunate tendency toward vagueness - the sort of vagueness that can affect outcome to the point of complete paradox. And who wants that!? cn
 

Landmark

Member
In every case I can imagine, it is by being in nearly the same place at exactly the same time.

The trouble is that the word "meet" is prone to serious semantic differentiation. I used the most common meaning of "meet" to answer the question, If however you define "meet" in a lesser but still valid meaning, for instance "arrive at a consensus", the answer changes.

In order to advance the discussion out of the uselessly vague, I would ask you to supply what you mean in this instance by words that have an unfortunate tendency toward vagueness - the sort of vagueness that can affect outcome to the point of complete paradox. And who wants that!? cn
Has imagination, knowledge, thought brought us together? Or has it created a division, a 'me' imagining, a 'me' thinking, a not 'me'?
Not stepping over the request for a definition of the word meet, isn't that what were looking at, beyond the description?
 

Landmark

Member
...the non-physical locales are like receptors for a plus or a minus. I'll use the term 'bubble' here to get a point across, not to claim that people are in a 'bubble'. I 'see it' as bubbles that are in constant contact but yet glance off of each other in polarity.

"morphing us?"
when there is no polarity?
 

eye exaggerate

Well-Known Member
when there is no polarity?
Wu wei (simplified Chinese: 无为; traditional Chinese: 無爲; pinyin: wúwéi, variantly written in Chinese: 無為) is an important concept of Taoism (Daoism), that involves knowing when to act and when not to act. Another perspective to this is that "Wu Wei" means natural action - as planets revolve around the sun, they "do" this revolving, but without "doing" it; or as trees grow, they "do", but without "doing". Thus knowing when (and how) to act is not knowledge in the sense that one would think "now" is the right time to do "this", but rather just doing it, doing the natural thing.
Wu may be translated as not have or without; Wei may be translated as do, act, serve as, govern or effort. The literal meaning of Wu Wei is "without action", "without effort", or "without control", and is often included in the paradox wei wu wei: "action without action" or "effortless doing". The practice of wu wei and the efficacy of wei wu wei are fundamental tenets in Chinese thought and have been mostly emphasized by the Taoist school. The aim of wu wei is to achieve a state of perfect equilibrium, or alignment with the Tao, and, as a result, obtain an irresistible form of "soft and invisible" power.
There is another less commonly referenced sense of wu wei; "action that does not involve struggle or excessive effort". In this instance, Wu means "without" and Wei means "effort". The concept of "effortless action" is a part of Taoist Internal martial arts such as T'ai chi ch'uan, Baguazhang and Xing Yi. It follows that Wu wei complies with the main feature and distinguishing characteristic of Taoism, that of being natural. To apply wu wei to any situation is to take natural action.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Has imagination, knowledge, thought brought us together?
The question is vague enough to make an effort to answer fraught with unreliability.
Or has it created a division, a 'me' imagining, a 'me' thinking, a not 'me'?
How can "knowledge etc." create a division? This question is also too vague, too enamored of mirage semantics, to be honestly answered.
Not stepping over the request for a definition of the word meet,
and yet you did precisely that. I ask plainly and directly: Clarify your terms.
isn't that what were looking at, beyond the description?
Not having a description available, I cannot assign a "beyond".
As for what we are looking at ... I do not know what we are looking at.

I am straining to detect wisdom or beauty in the things you are asking. A forum like this is a purely verbal medium, and depends on clarity to convey any sort of useful or wise or beautiful information. If your motive to post here has owt to do with wisdom andor beauty, you will stop responding to questions with questions, unless the questions in question serve the definite purpose of clarifying in your mind what I am saying. Such questions are emphatically not vague.
 

Landmark

Member
The question is vague enough to make an effort to answer fraught with unreliability.
How can "knowledge etc." create a division? This question is also too vague, too enamored of mirage semantics, to be honestly answered.
and yet you did precisely that. I ask plainly and directly: Clarify your terms.
Not having a description available, I cannot assign a "beyond".
As for what we are looking at ... I do not know what we are looking at.

I am straining to detect wisdom or beauty in the things you are asking. A forum like this is a purely verbal medium, and depends on clarity to convey any sort of useful or wise or beautiful information. If your motive to post here has owt to do with wisdom andor beauty, you will stop responding to questions with questions, unless the questions in question serve the definite purpose of clarifying in your mind what I am saying. Such questions are emphatically not vague.
Sir or Maam, I am not interested in what your after. I am not here to provide you with more wise beautiful information, insight. I am here to discover, together. You want the description, when the fact is there for you to see. You are not willing to look, for yourself, maybe one has not explored that as a possibility? If information is what your after please pass over this thread, it will be of no use to you
 

Landmark

Member
Your a fuckin IDIOT son what a waste of time.
Yes i am, i act like an idiot quite often and laugh about it, or not, and clean up whatever mess there is to clean up after it is seen that one has behaved so. Do you see yourself in the mirror? That you suffer your own judgement?
 
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