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ihatefoxnews

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white light is useless to the plant. its good for household lighting. apears to be brighter than they realy are.
14 hundred lumens isnt going to grow anything to its best. that the flouro tube and cfl range for outputs, your right, therer is no argument comparing 1400 to 150.000
seriously; when you don't know what you're talking about you just dont know what the f--- you're talking about.

Almost all leds you can find a spectrum sheet; These "white" Leds did have some green and yellow light; and it had some blue light too; If you EVER looked at the spectrum of the light from a MH and a HPS you will see they have a shitload of yellow orange green light that isn't as useful as red and blue IF you could ever see the spectrum of a blue led; red; or this white one you'd notice that the peaks in blue and red and avg; are much higher than the overall avg output of the HPS or MH bulbs and actually produce Better photosynthetic radiation than those bulbs! WHO KNEW!?
 

Beefbisquit

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Vertical grows can do it. If you search for Heath Robinson or coliseum you can see some big yields.
I stand corrected, sir. Thanks for the links! Heath Robinson has one crazy grow. However, I would have to attribute the g/watt to the design of the ingenious room, not the HPS.

I'd love to see something like this get used in a design like that. It's a shame it's a 1w model, with 3w diodes with 60 degree lenses that panel would be even more badass.
 

Cannabisworks

Active Member
seriously; when you don't know what you're talking about you just dont know what the f--- you're talking about.

Almost all leds you can find a spectrum sheet; These "white" Leds did have some green and yellow light; and it had some blue light too; If you EVER looked at the spectrum of the light from a MH and a HPS you will see they have a shitload of yellow orange green light that isn't as useful as red and blue IF you could ever see the spectrum of a blue led; red; or this white one you'd notice that the peaks in blue and red and avg; are much higher than the overall avg output of the HPS or MH bulbs and actually produce Better photosynthetic radiation than those bulbs! WHO KNEW!?

you dont have a clue either. nice colour but it isnt strong enough. and white is useless as tits on a bull. it makes them apear brighter like conversion bulbs do but those suck to. since when does a plant use white light...lol. again someone that has never done an acutal real life test and thinks paper work is the truth. suckers born every day.
everyone that run led all i ever see is the colour..colour colour..who cares whn its to week to do a real grow with. again. there are reasons you dont see them with us older guys that been growing for as long as most you kids been alive and been there done that and go back to the hid. you wont see any led in any profession grow rooms. wonder why if they been so great



i do agree with the beef bisquick dood that plasma look interesting and im waiting to try them our myself soon. i find it funny that some think 25 bucks is to much money to run a 600 watt hid per month with probably double the end result, the better potency and more yield should pay the so called expense off for the utilities.
 

Cannabisworks

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by the way for those that think they get the full wattage out pout to relate to pentration by mnultiplying each bulbs out put and get a total. it dont work like that. so the lumens or par per watt means nothing to actual overall pentration. same as we dont just add each 600 hid in lumens and that is out total output. more of the missleading info for those that dont get how lighting works., thats why led look great on paper but in reality they specs dont match what they claim..been tested and its not accuratre
 

Beefbisquit

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you dont have a clue either. nice colour but it isnt strong enough. and white is useless as tits on a bull. it makes them apear brighter like conversion bulbs do but those suck to. since when does a plant use white light...lol. again someone that has never done an acutal real life test and thinks paper work is the truth. suckers born every day.
everyone that run led all i ever see is the colour..colour colour..who cares whn its to week to do a real grow with. again. there are reasons you dont see them with us older guys that been growing for as long as most you kids been alive and been there done that and go back to the hid. you wont see any led in any profession grow rooms. wonder why if they been so great





i do agree with the beef bisquick dood that plasma look interesting and im waiting to try them our myself soon. i find it funny that some think 25 bucks is to much money to run a 600 watt hid per month with probably double the end result, the better potency and more yield should pay the so called expense off for the utilities.

You understand that "white light" is all colors combined, right? When all colors are reflected off of of a surface, we say the surface is white in color. They didn't teach you basic science in school?

The color temperature of white light designates which spectrum the majority of the light belongs to. HPS and MH produce both produce white light you dumbass, HPS has most of it's focus in the yellow/green (or useless spectrum's) and MH has more focus in the blue spectrum (but still a ton in yellow) , that's why it's cooler white light.

1)Most people that use LED's also use LST, ScRog, or both - penetration is not an issue.
2)Some companies are using 5-6watt diodes that are x4 as bright as the CREE 3w chips - penetration is not an issue.
3)Most companies are now using lensed LED's that employ a second lens to focus light more - penetration is not an issue.

These are old problems that for the most part have been, or are being, phased out. Stop reading LED literature from years ago!


Metal Halide Spectrum (notice the majority of blue (vegging) and a lot of still yellow, and basically useless?)


High pressure sodium spectrum (notice the majority of light is yellow, and far less useful?)


You notice that there's at least a little light all the way along in both graphs? THAT MEANS IT'S WHITE LIGHT. You have literally been arguing against HPS and MH with your white light spiel, both are white lights just of different color temperature you dolt. HPS is 1800-2800k in temp (warm white) and MH are over 3000k (cool white).

You've literally talked yourself out of a position. I'm not really sure how you've grown for 30 years without knowing the most basic shit about lights, like the color temp of the bulbs you're using and the fact that they're both white light.

Some people's children...
 

puffenuff

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New side by side comparison journals that have roughly the same amount of watts in each space are showing resuts where leds are surpassing hps in yield and quality.
 

Endur0xX

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you dont have a clue either. nice colour but it isnt strong enough. and white is useless as tits on a bull. it makes them apear brighter like conversion bulbs do but those suck to. since when does a plant use white light...lol. again someone that has never done an acutal real life test and thinks paper work is the truth. suckers born every day.
everyone that run led all i ever see is the colour..colour colour..who cares whn its to week to do a real grow with. again. there are reasons you dont see them with us older guys that been growing for as long as most you kids been alive and been there done that and go back to the hid. you wont see any led in any profession grow rooms. wonder why if they been so great



i do agree with the beef bisquick dood that plasma look interesting and im waiting to try them our myself soon. i find it funny that some think 25 bucks is to much money to run a 600 watt hid per month with probably double the end result, the better potency and more yield should pay the so called expense off for the utilities.

http://www.urbangrower.com/UG_49_LED_Buds_at_6_weeks.html
http://www.urbangrower.com/UG_48_LED_Buds_Week_4.html

I call this guy a professionnal grower... http://urbangrower.com/
 
I stand corrected, sir. Thanks for the links! Heath Robinson has one crazy grow. However, I would have to attribute the g/watt to the design of the ingenious room, not the HPS.

I'd love to see something like this get used in a design like that. It's a shame it's a 1w model, with 3w diodes with 60 degree lenses that panel would be even more badass.
I never saw the point in that panel. HID puts out light in all directions. LEDs put out light in one direction. If you put 6 plants around a 400 they each get 400 watts of side lighting. If you put 6 plants around that 504 watt panel, they each get 84 watts of side lighting. I've never seen a journal of anyone using it.
 

Beefbisquit

Well-Known Member
I never saw the point in that panel. HID puts out light in all directions. LEDs put out light in one direction. If you put 6 plants around a 400 they each get 400 watts of side lighting. If you put 6 plants around that 504 watt panel, they each get 84 watts of side lighting. I've never seen a journal of anyone using it.
Admittedly, this panel is pretty weak as far as new LED tech is concerned. That's specifically why I said something like this... if those were 3w LED's with lenses, that'd be rockin'.
 

Ehkzz

New Member
in the future we will have space pot, where it is grown in space, closer to the sun and its gonna be great.
 

PSUAGRO.

Well-Known Member
in the future we will have space pot, where it is grown in space, closer to the sun and its gonna be great.
Funny......but true...

Oh btw you guys should google "mr x grow", awesome grower(even better photographer(hightimes)) using evo led and getting over 2.0GPW!!!! :shock::shock::shock:
 

jubiare

Active Member
Funny......but true...

Oh btw you guys should google "mr x grow", awesome grower(even better photographer(hightimes)) using evo led and getting over 2.0GPW!!!! :shock::shock::shock:
Well said. that's cree xp-e diodes, doesn't even use blues.. only 12000k whites. In my opinion it's the best commercial panel to date. They are going to release a version using osram golden dragon plus 660nm (in addition to xp-e 630nm, soon to come
 

PSUAGRO.

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I agree with you on the Evo panel, truly different and forward thinking design......That works exceptionally well.
Problem is I can't buy them in the US.....Tried looking everywhere for a distributor........Nothing:sad:
I did find a guy who selling a blatant knockoff (they look quality though)...you can customize your diode Quality/Nm/lense angle/etc...
"proledsystems"......check it out....tell me what you think?...I might bite on these panels.
 

jubiare

Active Member
be cautious with those imitation of EVO! They are made in China anyway? You might end up with the same chinese quality led panels? Maybe something slightly better but maybe something even worse!?
..are you sure you cannot get them in USA? That sounds strange.. here is the store website, it has got a dollar option, I guess they do ship in USA? http://gudomeledgrow.info/tienda/en/

I think there is a few people on icmag that have evo and they are in USA? I would write an email to customer service.. you should be fine. And if you do so, ask for the new model with osram golden dragon... so you'll buy the newest gen ;)

Personally, If I was to buy a panel, EVO is the only one I would consider.. actually also this guy at plantphotonics.com
other than that, go DIY led, in my view ;)


The spanish are ahead in LED tech and products.. they first of all, had to deal with hot temperatures.. plus they are big pot heads.. and there you go, best panels, best diy leds, best ideas and all!!!!
 

PSUAGRO.

Well-Known Member
Yeah makes sense......extra fifty bucks and you get the original panel.
My only issue is warranty and repair.....sending it overseas during a grow would be devastating...

I emailed them about an American distributor....well see
Thanks for your input...
 
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