heckler73
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Doesn't matter. It's not a coriolis force problem. I heard the genius in my avatar blew up a lab trying to solve the question, actually.
punish the doctor more than the rapist
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SmokeyDan
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That is entirely up for debate and open to interpretation.
Many reasonable people do think it is a baby.
In order to maintain that the fetus is not a baby, and thus not a human and therefore undeserving of rights is a position that ultimately boils down to one thing no one can answer. That is, at what point does a mass of dividing cells with human DNA become a person.
Some try to give an arbitrary number of weeks. Perhaps 20, however, 20 weeks after conception is indistinguishable from 19 weeks and 5 days.
If one were to take a picture of the baby in the womb just prior to birth, and then compare it to a picture of the baby taken 12 hours earlier, and then the same at 12 hour increments all the way back, it would be nearly impossible to distinguish any picture from the one 12 hours before or after.
I'm not advocating the prohibition of abortion because that creates a worse situation, women get them anyway, but in unsafe conditions.
I'm just saying that it's murder.
The vast majority are not a product of rape or incest, nor do they endanger the mother, the pregnancy is merely inconvenient.
desert dude
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At 39 weeks of gestation there is no question that a fetus is a baby except in the minds of those who subordinate murder to their own demented politics.
Likewise 38 weeks... 37 weeks... 36 weeks... ........................
.....................20 weeks? 19 weeks? ... 16 weeks.
Those last numbers are for you and your own conscience to decide. For me it is (currently) 16 weeks. Some believe it is at conception, i.e. no abortion of a pregnancy ever. I don't go along with that, but the argument can be made.
Even Skylard, who normally parrots the "war on women" chant seems horrified by the prospect of an elective abortion past 20 weeks.
The hardcore progressives here seem to be content with driving a pair scissors through the skull of a full term baby as long as the head has not yet breached the birth canal. Sane people can't possibly stand by and do nothing and simply watch such a murder.
Likewise 38 weeks... 37 weeks... 36 weeks... ........................
.....................20 weeks? 19 weeks? ... 16 weeks.
Those last numbers are for you and your own conscience to decide. For me it is (currently) 16 weeks. Some believe it is at conception, i.e. no abortion of a pregnancy ever. I don't go along with that, but the argument can be made.
Even Skylard, who normally parrots the "war on women" chant seems horrified by the prospect of an elective abortion past 20 weeks.
The hardcore progressives here seem to be content with driving a pair scissors through the skull of a full term baby as long as the head has not yet breached the birth canal. Sane people can't possibly stand by and do nothing and simply watch such a murder.
UncleBuck
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shut the fuck up, skinhead.
the opossum head that you plan to vote for says life begins at the moment of fertilization, so that is now also your position as well.
desert dude
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Do you just live vicariously through the likes of your hero, Gosnell, or do you personally crush the skulls of infants, herr Goebbels?
UncleBuck
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why are you calling me a nazi when it was you who joined a white supremacy and white nationalists group?
MidwesternGro
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Kermit Gosnell was not affiliated with Planned Parenthood, supergenius.
Quit pulling things out of your rectum and spreading it all over this forum. You just make things up and pretend that it is fact.
Dr Kynes
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when did i ever say kermit was a planned parenthood "provider"?
my opposition to ABORTION has very little to do with Planned Parenthood as an organization, but since they are the Founding School of Anything Goes Abortion Kung Fu, they are the lynchpin of the entire issue.
i have no desire to see Planned Parenthood eliminated, but since they are the wellspring from which the "pro choice" nonsense flows, and they were created by Sanger, they catch some flak.
what is interesting to note however, kermit gosnell's "clinic" was reported to planned parenthood, the National Abortion Federation (catchy name there innit?) , and many other "pro-choice" groups many times, and none of them did a damned thing while this loon continued his "practice", despite their oft repeated claim of being dedicated to women's health issues.
the planned parenthood branch in pennsylvania received numerous complaints about this fuck knuckle, and did NOTHING
even shortly after the death of the woman he was eventually convicted of murdering through his medical malpractice, kermit was able to petition the National Abortion Federation for membership. they sent an inspector to "accredit" his facility, and he apparently didnt like what he saw.
the inspector refused accreditation, but again, despite the wretched squalour and horrifying conditions detailed in his internal report to the NAF, he didnt report shit to the county, state or federal medical authorities cuz Abortion Is The Liberal Sacrament.
so while kermit wasnt part of planned parenthood's organization, he moved freely in their circles, and was allowed to operate despite numerous complaints.
meanwhile, the state regulators were hamstrung by planned parenthood, et al, and were browbeaten by the PC Police in the press to ensure that reports of shady abortion clinics would not be pursued.
Tom Ridge (governor at the time) failed miserably, as did his appointees, as they caved to pressure from the "pro choice" harpies and turned a blind eye and a deaf ear to the issues at kermit's house of horrors.
MidwesternGro
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It is not Planned Parenthood's job to bust up Gosnell's illegal operation, which existed because of conservatives trying to make safe and easily access to abortion providers difficult. You want the Gosnells of this world out of business? Then increase access to safe abortion providers instead of trying to regulate abortion out of existence.
By trying to make safe abortion providers more readily available, Planned Parenthood does a lot to limit those with illegal operations -- those like Gosnell.
Conservatives want to legislate abortion back into the alleys and "clinics" like Gosnell's.
UncleBuck
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excellent point.
Dr Kynes
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except gosnell's "clinic" was in an area where planned parenthood, the NAF and many other "pro choice" operations run many "clinics" which dont suck.
if you told your urologist that you came to him cuz this other doctor you visited first had animal feces, human excrement and urine, various rodents and insects, and whatnot all over the walls and floors, the entire joint was a firetrap, and smelled like a slaughterhouse, and your new doc didnt even report your claims to the regulators, he would be up on charges himself because he knew, and did nothing.
planned parenthood, and the NAF knew, first hand, since their own inspectors had visited the "clinic" and reported that it was a slaughterhouse full of vermin and shit, and they said NOTHING
the failings of Ridge (as well as his predecessor, robert casey, Democrat) have already been remarked on, BY ME, since he bowed to pressure from the harpies and ordered inspectors to not inspect, so he couldnt be accused of exactly the kind of mad bullshit you are slinging here.
under the reign of the abortion harpies even the most horrifying "clinics" are protected since any attempt to shut one down becomes a referendum on the "right" to abortions instead of proper regulatory action against a guy who, if he didnt have an MD behind his name, would be a serial killer.
Dr Kynes
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no, it's a retarded point.
gosnell ran "clinics" (several of them) in pennsylvania and ohio, hardly hotbeds of right wing conservatism.
gosnell was a vile despicable butcher, but planned parenthood and the NAF protected him.
there is no excuse for their silence
desert dude
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When the left imposes their PC gag orders on society, the faithful cower and are too afraid to speak up when a literal slaughterhouse is operating in their midst. Yeah, they share some of the moral responsibility for Kermit the murderer.
UncleBuck
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if your "libertarian" wish of prohibition on abortion comes true, abortions will be a lot more gruesome for it.
why do you want prohibition and back alley abortions?
desert dude
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Objecting to murder is about as Libertarian as you can get. I am pro-choice, I just object to murder of a fully formed, but not yet born baby.
You, on the other hand, have stated your unequivocal support for any abortion regardless of the stage of gestation. That will earn you a cell in hell right next to Kermit the murderer
UncleBuck
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you support a candidate who says life starts at the moment of fertilization and who would ban birth control, therefore those are your beliefs.
prohivition and liberty don't go together, moron.
quote it then, skinhead.
splitphilly
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I'm not sure if this has happened yet, but I get the impression that liberals haven't actually explained to conservatives that they don't like abortions either.
desert dude
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Do you think elective abortions should be allowed past 20 weeks of gestation?
UncleBuck
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you already said i did, now it is up to you to quote it or be proven a liar, ya fucking skinhead.
desert dude
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I have no problem believing that, of most liberals. Heck, even Skylard is horrified and won't condone abortions past 20 weeks of gestation. There is a huge gulf between "not liking" abortions and refusing to do anything to stop them when a fully formed baby is involved, though.