Pulling 4oz off 1 plant ?

Wolverine97

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Bubbalicious is a EXCELLENT strain for this kind of grow. Extra-dank and dense nugs, monster yields, happy and easy plants. It is also the best outdoor plant I've ever had the pleasure of chilling with :weed:

I'm fraking going insane, my care taker gave away his bubbalicious mom without giving me another clone to carry it on first!! I was so sad, I never kept mom's of his clones... that was his job!!
Never cared for it...
 

671dragon

Active Member
what ive tried and proved that worked for me in trying to yielding the most out of a small space in the least amount of time is alot of little plants under 400w lights. My method would be putting about 40 of these small plants per 400w vegged for about a day or two in square 1.5 liter pots with a soiless mix then start flowering from there (never change pot from start to finish). The pots are placed side by side no space in between them but i would trim them to be single cola plants and make sure each cola grows straight up not leaning into the other plants space. I would also set it up as a perpetual grow space dividing flowering time between how many 400s usually by 3 or 4 harvesting every 2weeks to 2 weeks and 5 days also by alternating big and small rows of plants to improve air circulation and light penetration. My lamps are usually around 5-8 in above the tallest cola which usually isn’t more than 2 feet in height including pot height and younger plants are placed on pots one to double pot height to get the younger plants closer to the lights instead of moving the lights closer to it so all of the plants are pretty much mixed up in a orderly chaos of plants starting to flower next to ones just about to finish all pots are put in trays of 8 that perfectly fit the 8 and is thin enough to keep the pots right next to each other. Ive tried a few different strains this way and they always came out nicer looking buds then its bigger counter part. Doing it this way pending on strain would get you an average of 12-18g per plant. Ive grown a few that hit above 20g per very rare but it happend a few times. You would get some that weigh less about 8 grams was the lowest ive ever recorded but thats also rare if everything is healthy without bugs!!! (the few last batches i had got hit by stupid spider mites but they averaged around 8 grams some hit 12-14 but keep in mind this is when everything was sick with bugs and chopped early but still produced danky buds around 6 1/2 to 7 weeks. Also im all the way out on Guam so access to a hydroponic shop (for good organic pesticides or any other good types of bug killers so i was stuck with the bug with no way of getting rid of them and i tried ciggerates in water with hot pepper and all those homeade crap that didn’t do anything) or any place to get lighting equipment cause i dont want to use a credit card to purchase equipment in fear of BS coming to my door with it im using 400w HPS flood lights like the ones on top the buildings to light up the parking lot i took it apart and made me a homemade grow lamp. Its all backyard stuff i have a big c02 tank but no regulator so i dont use c02 in my rooms either and im attaining these numbers per plant. All in all it takes from start to finish mostly pending on flowering time of strain around 8 weeks (sometimes even 7 1/2 weeks) and 2 days (1-2 days for veg) to the max 9 weeks i dont take on sativas unless im gonna do a whole batch of em cause they usually gain about a foot over everything else and like i said we are going for most bud in the least amount of time. So everybody is saying 2 gallons with like 3-4 week veg time and flowering about 12 of em under a 1000w making about 2 3 maybe 4 Os per plant thats 4 at max in a 4x4 (16 sqft) space 12x4Oz= 48 Oz under a 1000w light in 3 months about max. My space is a 3.5x6 for 3 400w lamps (5 sq pots x 8 sq pots per lamp) cut that in 2/3 to try and match the 1000w with 800w in a 3.5x4 (14 sqft) space lets say all of them my way hits max (remember im lacking alot of stuff cause its a backyard setup so if i added c02, better aircooled 400w lights, and mylar instead of just flat white, my best was over 20g without the use of any of these) 80x18g= 1440g = 51.42Oz under 800w in about 2months i can harvest 2 times more in a years time by taking alot of time out of vegging and straight into flowering. Pros and cons:(CONS) this way is alot of work cause u have 80-160 individual plants in individual pots so u have to make sure u dont miss any when u water i missed alot cause i was plain ol lazy and the next day they’re wilting so i know now which to water they take watering everyday especially towards the end, moving them around cause of constant growth i dropped at least one if not more a week had to move them around at least 3 times a week, getting enough clones to supply ur flowering room this came as a problem cause u have to constantly make clones so you need space for more mothers or a really big one. (PROS) THIS WAY WILL PRODUCE MORE BUD in a SMALLER SPACE in LESS TIME with LESS POWER. Just think about it a smaller plant means it needs less to survive and less light to flower cause theyre so small so it needs less to be a fully healthy plant and a fully healthy plant produces very good bud. Cutting down your time means you have more time to grow different stuff and another benfit of cutting time is the shorter it is less time that something can go wrong. I dont have any pics because we have a rule about having incriminating photos anywhere but if u dont believe try growing a few plants in a square 1.5 liter pot and see what numbers your making just 1-2 days veg and the rest flowering in the same pot also another test is take 2 clones put one in a small pot and on in a big pot and check the quality change if any. Ive tried alot of different supercropping from fiming, snapping branches, to LST with a hard flexible wire and placing each tip where i wanted it, they worked yea but even at that couldnt touch the yield i got in the same time as my little ones. You guys probably wont believe but try a few small one single cola and see how it goes thanks for reading
 

georgiagrower

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Look at this and tell me it has to be complicated to grow massive plants and produce over a lb of bud... This guy produced lbs per plant and used nothing more than nitrogen, water, and bloom. so its not that hard. and he didnt use no 10 gallon pot either. he had 7 - 8 ft trees. talk to this guy. you will learn alot. Plus he even used the EVIL miracle grow soil...hahahahaha!


(Thread) https://www.rollitup.org/outdoor-growing/24703-its-all-bullsh-t.html
 

georgiagrower

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All you need is organic soil, water, perlite, the sun, nitrogen, and bloom formula. id use all organic if i was you. And your ready to go, if you have good beans that is:hump:
 

medicine21

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Dragon, I do agree that SOG is likely the best way to get the most yield out of a given area, as I am doing it right now. :) You forget one BIG con to SOG. The plant numbers. Many of us work under some restriction whether to stay legal or keep the penalties lower. Everyone's case is different, but in some areas the difference between growing 50 plants and 200 is paying a fine or doing time.
 

medicine21

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If you top them while they are small I bet you could get them all together in there, with 12 plants in a 4x4 space, 2.0-2.7 oz off each plant is much more realistic, especially since you haven't tried this before. However, I do know that in any flood and drain system, you can always put a mat at the bottom of the tray, and your cubes will grow into it. They sell coco mats, and giant wrapped rockwool slabs, but it allows your plants to continue growing, long after you thought it was too late to change anything about it. LST probably would be a fracking pain in the ass in rockwool cubes because you would need a counter tie for every bend you make. You can try the lost and forgotten art of super cropping: Squeeze and bend, squeeze and bend!
Yes, laying down that mat is indeed an option to expand the root zone from just the cube. I would lose plant mobility though and somehow the prospect of having that mat doesn't excite me. I see potential issue that I can't flush it in case of nute build up or other issues. RW cubes are tough to dial in as is, having a whole mat of RW.... well I just don't like the sound of it.

When are you thinking about starting this? I think we should do a side-by-side with our preferred techniques. I would shit bricks if I could pull 4 pounds out of my 4x8 garden!!
I have to complete my last SOG (2 weeks) and then do some construction to split current room into a perpetual setup. I will start from seed this time, so it will take me a while to get the cycle running. I will hit you up when I do though. How much light do you have over your 4x8' anyway?

Speaking of media, anyone use higromite or diatomite? It sounds good on paper but all I could find in terms of grow journals was one guy loving it. He put a cuting into a rapid rooter and then right away into diatomite-filled net pots in a flood and drain. The plant just took off.
 

Wolverine97

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what ive tried and proved that worked for me in trying to yielding the most out of a small space in the least amount of time is alot of little plants under 400w lights. My method would be putting about 40 of these small plants per 400w vegged for about a day or two in square 1.5 liter pots with a soiless mix then start flowering from there (never change pot from start to finish). The pots are placed side by side no space in between them but i would trim them to be single cola plants and make sure each cola grows straight up not leaning into the other plants space. I would also set it up as a perpetual grow space dividing flowering time between how many 400s usually by 3 or 4 harvesting every 2weeks to 2 weeks and 5 days also by alternating big and small rows of plants to improve air circulation and light penetration. My lamps are usually around 5-8 in above the tallest cola which usually isn’t more than 2 feet in height including pot height and younger plants are placed on pots one to double pot height to get the younger plants closer to the lights instead of moving the lights closer to it so all of the plants are pretty much mixed up in a orderly chaos of plants starting to flower next to ones just about to finish all pots are put in trays of 8 that perfectly fit the 8 and is thin enough to keep the pots right next to each other. Ive tried a few different strains this way and they always came out nicer looking buds then its bigger counter part. Doing it this way pending on strain would get you an average of 12-18g per plant. Ive grown a few that hit above 20g per very rare but it happend a few times. You would get some that weigh less about 8 grams was the lowest ive ever recorded but thats also rare if everything is healthy without bugs!!! (the few last batches i had got hit by stupid spider mites but they averaged around 8 grams some hit 12-14 but keep in mind this is when everything was sick with bugs and chopped early but still produced danky buds around 6 1/2 to 7 weeks. Also im all the way out on Guam so access to a hydroponic shop (for good organic pesticides or any other good types of bug killers so i was stuck with the bug with no way of getting rid of them and i tried ciggerates in water with hot pepper and all those homeade crap that didn’t do anything) or any place to get lighting equipment cause i dont want to use a credit card to purchase equipment in fear of BS coming to my door with it im using 400w HPS flood lights like the ones on top the buildings to light up the parking lot i took it apart and made me a homemade grow lamp. Its all backyard stuff i have a big c02 tank but no regulator so i dont use c02 in my rooms either and im attaining these numbers per plant. All in all it takes from start to finish mostly pending on flowering time of strain around 8 weeks (sometimes even 7 1/2 weeks) and 2 days (1-2 days for veg) to the max 9 weeks i dont take on sativas unless im gonna do a whole batch of em cause they usually gain about a foot over everything else and like i said we are going for most bud in the least amount of time. So everybody is saying 2 gallons with like 3-4 week veg time and flowering about 12 of em under a 1000w making about 2 3 maybe 4 Os per plant thats 4 at max in a 4x4 (16 sqft) space 12x4Oz= 48 Oz under a 1000w light in 3 months about max. My space is a 3.5x6 for 3 400w lamps (5 sq pots x 8 sq pots per lamp) cut that in 2/3 to try and match the 1000w with 800w in a 3.5x4 (14 sqft) space lets say all of them my way hits max (remember im lacking alot of stuff cause its a backyard setup so if i added c02, better aircooled 400w lights, and mylar instead of just flat white, my best was over 20g without the use of any of these) 80x18g= 1440g = 51.42Oz under 800w in about 2months i can harvest 2 times more in a years time by taking alot of time out of vegging and straight into flowering. Pros and cons:(CONS) this way is alot of work cause u have 80-160 individual plants in individual pots so u have to make sure u dont miss any when u water i missed alot cause i was plain ol lazy and the next day they’re wilting so i know now which to water they take watering everyday especially towards the end, moving them around cause of constant growth i dropped at least one if not more a week had to move them around at least 3 times a week, getting enough clones to supply ur flowering room this came as a problem cause u have to constantly make clones so you need space for more mothers or a really big one. (PROS) THIS WAY WILL PRODUCE MORE BUD in a SMALLER SPACE in LESS TIME with LESS POWER. Just think about it a smaller plant means it needs less to survive and less light to flower cause theyre so small so it needs less to be a fully healthy plant and a fully healthy plant produces very good bud. Cutting down your time means you have more time to grow different stuff and another benfit of cutting time is the shorter it is less time that something can go wrong. I dont have any pics because we have a rule about having incriminating photos anywhere but if u dont believe try growing a few plants in a square 1.5 liter pot and see what numbers your making just 1-2 days veg and the rest flowering in the same pot also another test is take 2 clones put one in a small pot and on in a big pot and check the quality change if any. Ive tried alot of different supercropping from fiming, snapping branches, to LST with a hard flexible wire and placing each tip where i wanted it, they worked yea but even at that couldnt touch the yield i got in the same time as my little ones. You guys probably wont believe but try a few small one single cola and see how it goes thanks for reading
Holy shit man, breathe...
I'm not reading all of that. Paragraph breaks are your friend, man.
 

671dragon

Active Member
sorry was really gone while i was typing and i wanted to get everything out so now that i look at it it was a bit much but hey at least it was detailed ;)
 

671dragon

Active Member
Dragon, I do agree that SOG is likely the best way to get the most yield out of a given area, as I am doing it right now. :) You forget one BIG con to SOG. The plant numbers. Many of us work under some restriction whether to stay legal or keep the penalties lower. Everyone's case is different, but in some areas the difference between growing 50 plants and 200 is paying a fine or doing time.
Right on but i was just wanting a lil feed back on if this would be the best way if there was no restrictions as i am a rebel and dont care to be restricted cause i live out on Guam and there is no prop 15 here so its a penalty either way and im just trying to see if there is another method that would best what i have suggested or any way i can tweek it other than buying stuff i wont get cause its to much of a problem. And if anybody knows how to get stuff through the mail cause out here a oz can run you 1000$ and its not even as good as stuff that ive seen go for 300$ out there and it can as bad as 20$ for 0.15g so thats basically 3,733$ a oz so if anybody wants to make alot of money Guam is the spot
 

671dragon

Active Member
Holy shit man, breathe...
I'm not reading all of that. Paragraph breaks are your friend, man.
Its not that bad it only take about 5 min to read but sorry basically i was saying that i can do alot more with less power less time and less space than you the way im doing it then the way your doing it. Just thought you would like to know in detail how so u can learn cause your making about 100 oz less a year with more power and more space ;)
 

Wolverine97

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Its not that bad it only take about 5 min to read but sorry basically i was saying that i can do alot more with less power less time and less space than you the way im doing it then the way your doing it. Just thought you would like to know in detail how so u can learn cause your making about 100 oz less a year with more power and more space ;)
No, there's not a lot I can do to better my yield at this point, I've been tweaking and fine tuning for years to get to this point. I'm in a medical state and have plant limits to contend with, and I would like to stay legal. And your light setup doesn't work for my space anyway.
 

dlively11

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I used to get 3 to 3.5 OZ off plants I had in soil 2 gal buckets vegged to one foot. Ended up aroun 30 inches tall. Now I do higher numbers smaller yield per plant in hydro . If you are in hydro you wont need over a one gal container, veg to about a foot and let them grow.
 

Jozikins

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what ive tried and proved that worked for me in trying to yielding the most out of a small space in the least amount of time is alot of little plants under 400w lights. My method would be putting about 40 of these small plants per 400w vegged for about a day or two in square 1.5 liter pots with a soiless mix then start flowering from there (never change pot from start to finish). The pots are placed side by side no space in between them but i would trim them to be single cola plants and make sure each cola grows straight up not leaning into the other plants space. I would also set it up as a perpetual grow space dividing flowering time between how many 400s usually by 3 or 4 harvesting every 2weeks to 2 weeks and 5 days also by alternating big and small rows of plants to improve air circulation and light penetration. My lamps are usually around 5-8 in above the tallest cola which usually isn’t more than 2 feet in height including pot height and younger plants are placed on pots one to double pot height to get the younger plants closer to the lights instead of moving the lights closer to it so all of the plants are pretty much mixed up in a orderly chaos of plants starting to flower next to ones just about to finish all pots are put in trays of 8 that perfectly fit the 8 and is thin enough to keep the pots right next to each other. Ive tried a few different strains this way and they always came out nicer looking buds then its bigger counter part. Doing it this way pending on strain would get you an average of 12-18g per plant. Ive grown a few that hit above 20g per very rare but it happend a few times. You would get some that weigh less about 8 grams was the lowest ive ever recorded but thats also rare if everything is healthy without bugs!!! (the few last batches i had got hit by stupid spider mites but they averaged around 8 grams some hit 12-14 but keep in mind this is when everything was sick with bugs and chopped early but still produced danky buds around 6 1/2 to 7 weeks. Also im all the way out on Guam so access to a hydroponic shop (for good organic pesticides or any other good types of bug killers so i was stuck with the bug with no way of getting rid of them and i tried ciggerates in water with hot pepper and all those homeade crap that didn’t do anything) or any place to get lighting equipment cause i dont want to use a credit card to purchase equipment in fear of BS coming to my door with it im using 400w HPS flood lights like the ones on top the buildings to light up the parking lot i took it apart and made me a homemade grow lamp. Its all backyard stuff i have a big c02 tank but no regulator so i dont use c02 in my rooms either and im attaining these numbers per plant. All in all it takes from start to finish mostly pending on flowering time of strain around 8 weeks (sometimes even 7 1/2 weeks) and 2 days (1-2 days for veg) to the max 9 weeks i dont take on sativas unless im gonna do a whole batch of em cause they usually gain about a foot over everything else and like i said we are going for most bud in the least amount of time. So everybody is saying 2 gallons with like 3-4 week veg time and flowering about 12 of em under a 1000w making about 2 3 maybe 4 Os per plant thats 4 at max in a 4x4 (16 sqft) space 12x4Oz= 48 Oz under a 1000w light in 3 months about max. My space is a 3.5x6 for 3 400w lamps (5 sq pots x 8 sq pots per lamp) cut that in 2/3 to try and match the 1000w with 800w in a 3.5x4 (14 sqft) space lets say all of them my way hits max (remember im lacking alot of stuff cause its a backyard setup so if i added c02, better aircooled 400w lights, and mylar instead of just flat white, my best was over 20g without the use of any of these) 80x18g= 1440g = 51.42Oz under 800w in about 2months i can harvest 2 times more in a years time by taking alot of time out of vegging and straight into flowering. Pros and cons:(CONS) this way is alot of work cause u have 80-160 individual plants in individual pots so u have to make sure u dont miss any when u water i missed alot cause i was plain ol lazy and the next day they’re wilting so i know now which to water they take watering everyday especially towards the end, moving them around cause of constant growth i dropped at least one if not more a week had to move them around at least 3 times a week, getting enough clones to supply ur flowering room this came as a problem cause u have to constantly make clones so you need space for more mothers or a really big one. (PROS) THIS WAY WILL PRODUCE MORE BUD in a SMALLER SPACE in LESS TIME with LESS POWER. Just think about it a smaller plant means it needs less to survive and less light to flower cause theyre so small so it needs less to be a fully healthy plant and a fully healthy plant produces very good bud. Cutting down your time means you have more time to grow different stuff and another benfit of cutting time is the shorter it is less time that something can go wrong. I dont have any pics because we have a rule about having incriminating photos anywhere but if u dont believe try growing a few plants in a square 1.5 liter pot and see what numbers your making just 1-2 days veg and the rest flowering in the same pot also another test is take 2 clones put one in a small pot and on in a big pot and check the quality change if any. Ive tried alot of different supercropping from fiming, snapping branches, to LST with a hard flexible wire and placing each tip where i wanted it, they worked yea but even at that couldnt touch the yield i got in the same time as my little ones. You guys probably wont believe but try a few small one single cola and see how it goes thanks for reading
Say what now? I read as far as flowering in 1.5 L pots and I, in all honesty, sobbed the rest. What do your buds look like? I rather crop a half pound of solid danks, than 2 pounds of chronic. And if it ain't chronic you better post some pics for me to shit my pants over, lol.
 

penguinking

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bigger, healthier root zone means higher yields. I have a buddy that pulls 1 lb off of one plant under a 600 hps. he puts his girls in 25 gallon totes and uses regular topping techniques
 

0blivious

Active Member
Hi There

Just thought I'd give you my two cents on this one.

Just finished my first grow and I ended up with a little ove 3.5oz dry weight from a 20L DWC Bubble Bucket, basic nutrients and 2 x 300watt equivilant cfl's, the root mass filled the damn bucket by the end and she drank about 3 litres of water a day in the last 2 weeks!

I've just bought a 400w HPS, 400w Metal Halide, 1m x 1m x 1.8m tent, extractor / filter etc for the next one so I'm hoping that I'll be getting around 5oz per plant with the extra available light (and the range of advanced nutrients i've bought!!)

4oz from 1 plant doesnt seem like it'll be all that hard to be honest if you give the plant everything it needs and the environment is right
 

randomseed

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Almost full organic month veg averaging 3+ per depending on strain (3+ is total average, some strains are hard to get past 2.5)
Pushing for 4 is proving tough without C02 but we get there sometimes. Only on the big yeild strains though. Finishing at 3-4 feet.
 

randomseed

Active Member
Right on but i was just wanting a lil feed back on if this would be the best way if there was no restrictions as i am a rebel and dont care to be restricted cause i live out on Guam and there is no prop 15 here so its a penalty either way and im just trying to see if there is another method that would best what i have suggested or any way i can tweek it other than buying stuff i wont get cause its to much of a problem. And if anybody knows how to get stuff through the mail cause out here a oz can run you 1000$ and its not even as good as stuff that ive seen go for 300$ out there and it can as bad as 20$ for 0.15g so thats basically 3,733$ a oz so if anybody wants to make alot of money Guam is the spot
Where the shit do you live, lbs of medi are cheaper then that around here.

Oh duh, Guam.
isnt it a death penalty to get caught?
 
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