NugHeuser
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My bad forgot the link
https://www.rollitup.org/t/ocean-grown-seeds-and-cmhs.950213/page-6#post-13959132
https://www.rollitup.org/t/ocean-grown-seeds-and-cmhs.950213/page-6#post-13959132
Pretty certain I have nutrient lockout. What next?
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NugHeuser
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@MichiganMedGrower Well I got 9 leached tonight before running out of water(I have to use 18 cup water purifiers to build my r.o water). 10 ml of the same botanicare grow formula you mentioned went into them after the leach, right around 680 ppms with 105 ppm source.
Also I was curious about how much ball park range of ppm/ec you usually give your plants that are around the same size of mine?
Now time to relax with a bit of piece of mind knowing I've found a solution for my plants, and no better way to do so than rolling a 4 part fatty mixed with lemon haze, lemon skunk, agent orange and grapezilla
Also I was curious about how much ball park range of ppm/ec you usually give your plants that are around the same size of mine?
Now time to relax with a bit of piece of mind knowing I've found a solution for my plants, and no better way to do so than rolling a 4 part fatty mixed with lemon haze, lemon skunk, agent orange and grapezilla
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NugHeuser
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I also got temps down to 82 with all 4 lights on and turned on the humidifiers and I have rh up to 40% above the canopy and 60% below it (gauge sitting on dirt in pots). After today temps are going from 50 degree highs to single digits so temps shouldn't be an issue after today, it gets pretty cold in my basement.
MichiganMedGrower
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@MichiganMedGrower Well I got 9 leached tonight before running out of water(I have to use 18 cup water purifiers to build my r.o water). 10 ml of the same botanicare grow formula you mentioned went into them after the leach, right around 680 ppms with 105 ppm source.
Also I was curious about how much ball park range of ppm/ec you usually give your plants that are around the same size of mine?
Now time to relax with a bit of piece of mind knowing I've found a solution for my plants, and no better way to do so than rolling a 4 part fatty mixed with lemon haze, lemon skunk, agent orange and grapezilla
A couple of those runoff figures are still pretty high but that may even out next time. Never really know what percentage was excess and what was new solution. I just monitor the runoff to see trends. Like rising ec with the same feed. I know I better lower the concentration next time.
And for amounts. I have a Plant transplanted into a 3 gallon pot for one week average in veg and then into flower. (Been trying #5’s lately) and the first watering is usually still just water. By the second week I usually need to add 5 ml. PBPG to the water. Each watering or two I up the concentration 2.5 ml unless they look deficient.
And I feed almost every watering once it starts. I give fresh water when I see leaf stress start. Then resume feeding a step or two back in ml’s
So 5ml at first tapering up to 7.5 then 10 then 12.5 for stretch and first bloom. And by then they usually need some water only or a reduction or sometimes a leaching. I grow a lot of different seeds all the time so each plant can be a challenge to get right. It’s never perfect that’s for sure. Lol
Then I taper back down as the plant stops growing and the buds begin to ripen. Pretty much the same way but backwards. They hopefully finish at only the 5ml or water only depending on their needs. I don’t like to drop or raise ec quickly if possible.
NugHeuser
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Yeah I'll keep a closer eye on runoff ppm from here on out. It's interesting because bx5, my tall stretchy plant that's yellowing pretty bad had a runoff of i believe 1400 the last time it was watered and after leaching just a gallon through it lastnight I believe it was around 800 yet some actually slightly gained ppms after running the 2nd gallon through them. Worst case scenerio for the ones that still have high ppm, I'll leach them again next watering if they still havent improved any. With all that watering im guessing itll be atleast 4 to 5 days until they need watered again so i should see improvement by then. Either way now I know what to do in these situations, so thanks for all the help man!!
MichiganMedGrower
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Yeah I'll keep a closer eye on runoff ppm from here on out. It's interesting because bx5, my tall stretchy plant that's yellowing pretty bad had a runoff of i believe 1400 the last time it was watered and after leaching just a gallon through it lastnight I believe it was around 800 yet some actually slightly gained ppms after running the 2nd gallon through them. Worst case scenerio for the ones that still have high ppm, I'll leach them again next watering if they still havent improved any. With all that watering im guessing itll be atleast 4 to 5 days until they need watered again so i should see improvement by then. Either way now I know what to do in these situations, so thanks for all the help man!!
You’re welcome. Hope you get it figured out. All anyone can do is give suggestions and guidelines. What your individual Grow needs exactly. That’s for you to figure out.
Good luck.
Tastybudz024
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I use 2 gallonpots and I feed a liter every 3 days and every 2 or 3 weeks ill flush with 2 liters of ph'd water. I'm using advances nutrients grow micro bloom with some addatives. 1 thing for everybody to keep in mind is that the directions usually say, for instance advanced nutrients says 4ml of each part per week, if u feed like I do every 3 days then u r feeding twice a week and should only mix 2ml per liter
Tastybudz024
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Over watering slows growth bad especially if u don't let them get oxygen
NugHeuser
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They aren't being overwatered, he misread the notes. I water everyday, but not every plant everyday, I have 18 plants so theres almost always a handful that need watered each day. I wait until the pot is light and dry, I try to time it out so that I'm watering them the day before they would've started drooping.
Tastybudz024
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What are you using for a grow medium and water source?
NugHeuser
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Read the whole thread, I covered all that
Tastybudz024
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1 thing for sure is the teas and stuff like that need weeks to break down and to be used completely up, if give them water phd to 6.5 until they bounce back and keep ppm around 600 when u go back to feeding since u leaches them they just need water and time
Budzbuddha
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Like see more pics , they looked quite nice ...
Any good updates ?
NugHeuser
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I'll be home and out of the shower in about an hour then checking things out. I'll update.
Budzbuddha
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Wash behind your ears ... Lol.
Was curious only on how the ladies are doin ....
NugHeuser
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Well here's what I'm noticing at first glance
BX5 I don't see much change yet, looks about the same and had a yellow leaf fall off overnight. The pot does feel a little lighter than the rest so she's doing a lot of drinking. She finished with 1031 ppm runoff lastnight.
Malibu Pie 9 looks considerably more yellow than I remember it being lastnight and it was one that was leached and given the grow base nute. It started around 1098ppm after one gallon and 965 ppm after the second gallon and then was watered with about 570ppms/10ml of grow with 100 ppm source water, ~670 total.
Alien Rift 4, getting pretty bad. It ended with 924 ppm.
Alien Rift 10, started with 1500 ppm runoff, ended with 1092ppm. Noticably more yellow than lastnight.
Malibu Pie 11, she was looking allover yellow yesterday and still is. She finished with 652 ppm.
Looking at my notes (I posted a pic of the runoff ppm lastnights) those first 4 are the ones still with the highest ppms and they're the ones that seem to be yellowing quicker than shit. Thinking I should've ran more water through them.
BX5 I don't see much change yet, looks about the same and had a yellow leaf fall off overnight. The pot does feel a little lighter than the rest so she's doing a lot of drinking. She finished with 1031 ppm runoff lastnight.
Malibu Pie 9 looks considerably more yellow than I remember it being lastnight and it was one that was leached and given the grow base nute. It started around 1098ppm after one gallon and 965 ppm after the second gallon and then was watered with about 570ppms/10ml of grow with 100 ppm source water, ~670 total.
Alien Rift 4, getting pretty bad. It ended with 924 ppm.
Alien Rift 10, started with 1500 ppm runoff, ended with 1092ppm. Noticably more yellow than lastnight.
Malibu Pie 11, she was looking allover yellow yesterday and still is. She finished with 652 ppm.
Looking at my notes (I posted a pic of the runoff ppm lastnights) those first 4 are the ones still with the highest ppms and they're the ones that seem to be yellowing quicker than shit. Thinking I should've ran more water through them.
MichiganMedGrower
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I look for the runoff to be very close to the input ppm.
And I never let my garden show anywhere near 1000 ppm or 2.0 ec. I grow with .8 to 1.4 max.
The lower ppm plants above have nice flat green leaves. The higher ppm plants show more leaf stress.
MichiganMedGrower
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The slight too hot canopy shows at the upper tacoing leaves.
