Powdery Mildew and Eagle 20

Afgan King said:

If you read it you'll see it Jorge Cervantes personal site. He goes into depth about how it's in the plant. But again he's only been doing this a while and one of the most renowned cannabis horticulturist

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I'd rather get my sources from farmers that been dealing with this since before Jorge Cervantes was even born, PM isn't a new thing, you can kill it with milk and water how could that kill a systemic disease? It wouldn't.

Bro it's caused by spores in the air not a systemic disease inside the plant why do you think things like neem , green cure, and milk work to completely eradicate it?

Powdery mildew is a fungal disease that affects a wide range of plants. Powdery mildew diseases are caused by many different species of fungi in the order Erysiphales, with Podosphaera xanthii (a.k.a. Sphaerotheca fuliginea) being the most commonly reported cause.[1] Erysiphe cichoracearum was formerly reported to be the primary causal organism throughout most of the world.[1][2] Powdery mildew is one of the easier plant diseases to identify, as its symptoms are quite distinctive. Infected plants display white powdery spots on the leaves and stems. The lower leaves are the most affected, but the mildew can appear on any above-ground part of the plant. As the disease progresses, the spots get larger and denser as large numbers of asexual spores are formed, and the mildew may spread up and down the length of the plant.

Powdery mildew grows well in environments with high humidity and moderate temperatures.[3] In an agricultural setting, the pathogen can be controlled using chemical methods, genetic resistance, and careful farming methods. It is important to be aware of powdery mildew and its management as the resulting disease can significantly reduce crop yields.[4] Greenhouses provide an ideal moist, temperate environment for the spread of the disease.

Hmmm can't be killed without systemic......must a systemic disease huh

bryan oconner said:

did you try neem oil ? and yes give them a hard wash with the hose and neem oil them and sun light will help .

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Neem and sunlight will fry a plant if not done right and I wouldn't use it at all in flower. Even with rain and weeks later I could taste it. It burns and taste horrible.

The reason they work is because it grows on the leaf, if you mess up their growing environment aka high/low PH from using potassium bicarbonate (the main ingredient in green cure) it cannot grow.

I been fighting serious PM for years now bro , it's not systemic it's all about the environment, its a spore it fucking blooms like mushrooms dude.

Yodaweed said:

The reason they work is because it grows on the leaf, if you mess up their growing environment aka high/low PH from using potassium bicarbonate (the main ingredient in green cure) it cannot grow.

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What's on the plant that you see is the external bloom they still have their hyphae inside the plant

Yodaweed said:

I been fighting serious PM for years now bro , it's not systemic it's all about the environment, its a spore it fucking blooms like mushrooms dude.

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And you ever use eagle 20? Never seen it since but yet you keep battling it......cuz it's in your clones

Afgan King said:

What's on the plant that you see is the external bloom they still have their hypahe inside the plant

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It's in the air dude that's why it comes back, its not absorbed into the plant , there is no actual data to back that up, show me one website on grapes or tomatoes or peppers talking about how PM is systemic and to pour fucking eagle 20 on your crop....it doesn't happen like that this is all made up shit by cannabis growers that think this is some type of special plant its just like growing any other crop...

Afgan King said:

And you ever use eagle 20? Never seen it since but yet you keep battling it......cuz it's in your clones

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I haven't gotten it in over a year because I fixed my growing environment , it's all around my house though, my outdoor garden has it every year just about, theres a reason they tell you don't plant tomatoes in the same place two years straight, the PM spores come up from the ground and reinfest new crops.

Yodaweed said:

It's in the air dude that's why it comes back, its not absorbed into the plant , there is no actual data to back that up, show me one website on grapes or tomatoes or peppers talking about how PM is systemic and to pour fucking eagle 20 on your crop....it doesn't happen like that this is all made up shit by cannabis growers that think this is some type of special plant its just like growing any other crop...

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Lmfao then how does it take nutrients from the plant if it's superficial with nothing actually inside the plant?

Afgan King said:

Lmfao then how does it take nutrients from the plant if it's superficial with nothing actually inside the plant?

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In an agricultural setting, the pathogen can be controlled using chemical methods, genetic resistance, and careful farming methods.

Chemical control is possible with fungicides such as triadimefon and propiconazole.

Another chemical treatment involves treating with a silicon solution or calcium silicate slag. Silicon helps the plant cells defend against fungal attack by degrading haustoria and by producing callose and papilla. With silicon treatment, epidermal cells are less susceptible to powdery mildew of wheat.[5]

Potassium bicarbonate is an effective fungicide against powdery mildew and apple scab, allowed for use in organic farming.[6][7][8][9]

Milk has long been popular with home gardeners and small-scale organic growers as a treatment for powdery mildew. Milk is diluted with water (typically 1:10) and sprayed on susceptible plants at the first sign of infection, or as a preventative measure, with repeated weekly application often controlling or eliminating the disease. Studies have shown milk's effectiveness as comparable to some conventional fungicides,[10] and better than benomyl and fenarimol at higher concentrations.[11] Milk has proven effective in treating powdery mildew of summer squash,[11] pumpkins,[10] grapes,[12] and roses.[12] The exact mechanism of action is unknown, but one known effect is that ferroglobulin, a protein in whey, produces oxygen radicals when exposed to sunlight, and contact with these radicals is damaging to the fungus.
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Just like any other parasite , it infects and attacks.

You never went somewhere and got allergies from the spores in the air? A lot of people are allergic to mildew spores I am one of them, they make me sneeze when i'm around a lot that's how I know the PM is there. They even do an allergy alert for it, that's how it spreads, spores. You should wipe your grow room down with bleach/water mixture and clean your air intake/exhaust system and everything in the grow, it will help, clean especially hard directly below the area the plants grow, prob a lot of spores down there they will come back when the humidity and temps get right and reinfest.

Yodaweed said:

I'd rather get my sources from farmers that been dealing with this since before Jorge Cervantes was even born, PM isn't a new thing, you can kill it with milk and water how could that kill a systemic disease? It wouldn't.

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what??? your not taking jorge cervantes advice? LMAO
your quote, "Read Jorge Cervantes growers bible it will teach you all you need to know about signs to look for before a serious defiency breaks out."
https://www.rollitup.org/t/gage-green-group-info-thread.823732/page-343#post-11763407

Yodaweed said:

I been fighting serious PM for years now bro , it's not systemic it's all about the environment, its a spore it fucking blooms like mushrooms dude.

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i thought you were a MASTER GROWER..
everytime i see your advices, i just want to throw up...

I get what your saying. It is a spore that is spread from plant to plant by the wind and so on. Correct. But once on the plants they insert their hyphae into the plant and start taking food from the plant to survive. You can wash off the blooming fungi on the leaf but it still lives in the plants. @ttystikk does green cure solve your systemic pm problem or just wash it off for the week

Beemo said:

what??? your not taking jorge cervantes advice? LMAO
your quote, "Read Jorge Cervantes growers bible it will teach you all you need to know about signs to look for before a serious defiency breaks out."
https://www.rollitup.org/t/gage-green-group-info-thread.823732/page-343#post-11763407


i thought you were a MASTER GROWER..
everytime i see your advices, i just want to throw up...

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I don't follow his advice for growing but that doesn't mean the man doesn't know horticulture and the common fungi we come into contact with

Afgan King said:

I get what your saying. It is a spore that is spread from plant to plant by the wind and so on. Correct. But once on the plants they insert their hyphae into the plant and start taking food from the plant to survive. You can wash off the blooming fungi on the leaf but it still lives in the plants. @ttystikk does green cure solve your systemic pm problem or just wash it off for the week

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You will never get rid of it unless you fix the environment it grows in, those systemics can only be used in veg you will get it in flower and fuck your whole crop if you don't fix the blooming spores in your grow room. I am just trying to help you guys from my experience with this terrible infesting spore I hate with all my being. I really mean that I truly hate PM. Using systemic cures only gonna temperalory work i'd suggest working on your grow rooms air flow and humidity/temp swings that's the most important thing its a cycle, just like any spores.

And make sure you clean the shit out of your grow room with bleach and water wipe it all down once, then when you think you did a good job do it again.

Yodaweed said:

You will never get rid of it unless you fix the environment it grows in, those systemics can only be used in veg you will get it in flower and fuck your whole crop if you don't fix the blooming spores in your grow room. I am just trying to help you guys from my experience with this terrible infesting spore I hate with all my being. I really mean that I truly hate PM. Using systemic cures only gonna temperalory work i'd suggest working on your grow rooms air flow and humidity/temp swings that's the most important thing its a cycle, just like any spores.

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So at my old work our environment of 71° day 61° night 35% humidity is not the right environment? Bleaching the rooms after every run and spraying green cure every 7 days and still everywhere. And we defoliated like a mother fucker and still had it. When we were allowed to use eagle 20 tho it was never seen......wonder why

Afgan King said:

I don't follow his advice for growing but that doesn't mean the man doesn't know horticulture and the common fungi we come into contact with

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idk mannn.... he barely getting by on horticulture...
remember he's the MASTER, that's his own words

Yodaweed said:

I used to use hydroponics and bottled nutes then I started growing organic and finally mastered.

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he just copy and paste everything on what ever sounds good to HIM... then throws a tantrum when someone else says another.... your wrong, im right type of shit...