Portland residents prepare yet again to confront fascists from out of state

What the police said: "Today was a long and arduous day," Outlaw said at the news conference. "The disruptions were held to a very small area of downtown Portland."

Where does anybody confirm this statement of yours: "all this destroying property and attacking people carrying the American flag"? Who is saying anything about that happening on SATURDAY, 8/17? From Saturday, I see no reports of all this. I get that you hate people who oppose fascism and so cannot help mixing up events but please check your facts. From all sources, it would appear that antifa has found ways to prevent the kinds of violence that fascists came to Portland to create. With help from Mayor Wheeler's office, even the police are focusing on preventing the violence from occurring.

You owe all those who attended to oppose fascism last Saturday and apology.


I don't owe anyone anything. The same people causing problems a year ago are still in the crowd from this last nonsense and will be in the crowd at the next display of ignorance. There were 13 arrests. All antifa participants. You guys let these fascists come into Portland, stand there for an hour, and then walk away and go to a barbecue. The only thing anyone will remember is that 13 antifa got arrested and the videos of the radical element associated with antifa looking violent. The fascists you were protesting were smiling and walking away and that's how they'll be portrayed. In the eye of public opinion antifa lost. All most Americans will see is a snippet on the news showing those masked, black clad, antifa looking violent. Then they'll see joey gibson smiling and talking on the camera about the barbecue they're having.

If I was a salesman on commision and could choose which product to sell based on the outcome of what happened in Portland I wouldn't choose antifa. This last encounter was just another blemish to a noble cause. antifa is losing the media war. And in this day and age of ten second snippets on twitter that's not good. You guys get your act together and purge yourselves of the violent element and I'll be there standing with you for any and all Non-Violent protests. But as it stands right now, I'm not wasting my time with a bunch of amateurs.
 
So the people of Portland should discriminate against other people by barring them from using property that doesn't belong to any of the individuals from either side ?

If you're trying to bar people from saying things you don't like on property you don't own, would that qualify as being a "hater" ?

Sounds like a tragedy of the commons.


Both sides hate the First Amendment when someone's saying something they don't like.
 
I don't owe anyone anything. The same people causing problems a year ago are still in the crowd from this last nonsense and will be in the crowd at the next display of ignorance. There were 13 arrests. All antifa participants. You guys let these fascists come into Portland, stand there for an hour, and then walk away and go to a barbecue. The only thing anyone will remember is that 13 antifa got arrested and the videos of the radical element associated with antifa looking violent. The fascists you were protesting were smiling and walking away and that's how they'll be portrayed. In the eye of public opinion antifa lost. All most Americans will see is a snippet on the news showing those masked, black clad, antifa looking violent. Then they'll see joey gibson smiling and talking on the camera about the barbecue they're having.

If I was a salesman on commision and could choose which product to sell based on the outcome of what happened in Portland I wouldn't choose antifa. This last encounter was just another blemish to a noble cause. antifa is losing the media war. And in this day and age of ten second snippets on twitter that's not good. You guys get your act together and purge yourselves of the violent element and I'll be there standing with you for any and all Non-Violent protests. But as it stands right now, I'm not wasting my time with a bunch of amateurs.
You are lying and libeling the good people who were at that demonstration. I ask you to stop doing that.

"we let Fascists demonstrate". You clearly don't know what you are talking about.

As such your comments are invalid. Do not reply to this comment.
 
I now understand his user name:

xt show your ass. :lol:


:mrgreen:


Hey, while you're here. How about a cooking section? You know where people can post recipe's, talk about baking bread, etc... I know you have a cooking with cannabis section but what about just a regular cooking section? At least give it some thought please.
 
That must have been spoon fed to you at school. Look at the real facts dopey.
So, cite the history.
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/background-and-overview-of-the-nazi-party-nsdap

Propaganda cost money and this was something that the Nazi Party was very short of. Whereas the German Social Democrat Party was funded by the trade unions and the pro-capitalist parties by industrialists, the NSDAP had to rely on contributions from party members. When Hitler approached rich industrialists for help he was told that his economic policies (profit-sharing, nationalization of trusts) were too left-wing.

In an attempt to obtain financial contributions from industrialists, Hitler wrote a pamphlet in 1927 entitled The Road to Resurgence. Only a small number of these pamphlets were printed and they were only meant for the eyes of the top industrialists in Germany. The reason that the pamphlet was kept secret was that it contained information that would have upset Hitler's working-class supporters. In the pamphlet Hitler implied that the anti-capitalist measures included in the original twenty-five points of the NSDAP programme would not be implemented if he gained power.

Hitler began to argue that "capitalists had worked their way to the top through their capacity, and on the basis of this selection they have the right to lead." Hitler claimed that national socialism meant all people doing their best for society and posed no threat to the wealth of the rich. Some prosperous industrialists were convinced by these arguments and gave donations to the Nazi Party, however, the vast majority continued to support other parties, especially the right-wing German Nationalist Peoples Party (DNVP)

Hitler sold out to the capitalists. Not all supported him but enough to keep his presses running.
 
antifa is not even organized. It's hard to say who identifies as antifa and who doesn't. One thing is certain, the violent alt-left has hijacked the movement. Some of these people have been running amok before joey and his proud boys came to town. They have been causing mayhem for years. Breaking windows, blocking traffic, harassing motorists, etc... People not from here don't understand that this has been going on for a long time. antifa wants to make it about them vs the racists/fascists but if that's the case then why were they causing problems before the racists and fascists even came to town?

antifa needs to purge itself of the radical violent criminals and get themselves organized. If they fail to do that they will be as despised as the pathetic racists that they oppose. We're getting sick of it. Portland is a beautiful city. Most of us want to be able to go downtown on a Saturday and enjoy a walk along the waterfront, a bite to eat, and just enjoy all the city has to offer which is a lot. Unfortunately we get these idiots from across the country showing up with their nazi flags trying to provoke a confrontation and then we get the masked, dressed in black antifa showing up to oblige. Basically taking over our city for with their nonsense. It just sucks. We just want them all to go away. And I speak for the majority. Portlanders are sick of this crap. GIVE US BACK OUR CITY!

I don't care what their cause is, their beliefs, whether they're racist or not, antifa or not, skin color, country of origin, etc... Just get the hell out of Portland and fight with each other elsewhere.
yawn

You don't know what you are talking about. Your posts on this matter are invalid.
 
You are lying and libeling the good people who were at that demonstration. I ask you to stop doing that.

"we let Fascists demonstrate". You clearly don't know what you are talking about.

As such your comments are invalid. Do not reply to this comment.

You have no authority to tell me not to reply. I laughed when I read that. Too funny.

Anyway, I'm not your enemy. You drew First Blood by calling me names. You want to start a fire then be prepared to feel it's heat.

Put me on ignore if you don't want to read my posts. I find that people tend to get upset when the truth hurts. If you can't face it then you should probably just block it out of your mind.

Click my avatar - on the right about halfway down is ignore - click on that
 
antifa is not even organized. It's hard to say who identifies as antifa and who doesn't. One thing is certain, the violent alt-left has hijacked the movement. Some of these people have been running amok before joey and his proud boys came to town. They have been causing mayhem for years. Breaking windows, blocking traffic, harassing motorists, etc... People not from here don't understand that this has been going on for a long time. antifa wants to make it about them vs the racists/fascists but if that's the case then why were they causing problems before the racists and fascists even came to town?

antifa needs to purge itself of the radical violent criminals and get themselves organized. If they fail to do that they will be as despised as the pathetic racists that they oppose. We're getting sick of it. Portland is a beautiful city. Most of us want to be able to go downtown on a Saturday and enjoy a walk along the waterfront, a bite to eat, and just enjoy all the city has to offer which is a lot. Unfortunately we get these idiots from across the country showing up with their nazi flags trying to provoke a confrontation and then we get the masked, dressed in black antifa showing up to oblige. Basically taking over our city for with their nonsense. It just sucks. We just want them all to go away. And I speak for the majority. Portlanders are sick of this crap. GIVE US BACK OUR CITY!

I don't care what their cause is, their beliefs, whether they're racist or not, antifa or not, skin color, country of origin, etc... Just get the hell out of Portland and fight with each other elsewhere.

And to those that have never been to Portland and only see what's on the news or from that stupid Portlandia television show, Portland is not what you might think. It's a beautiful city with great things to do. We have nice venues for concerts and Portland is a big stop for big name bands. We have an incredible microbrew scene and tons of great restaurants. We have museums, beautiful parks, the world renowned Portland Rose Test Garden, the Oregon Zoo, Lot's of waterways, the Columbia and Willamette rivers with public boat access everywhere to launch your boat and go wakeboarding, waterskiing, or just spend the day on the water. We're little more than an hour away from Mt Hood and about the same to the Oregon coast. It's beautiful here. Hiking, snowboarding, surfing, wakeboarding, mushroom picking, too many activities to list are all just an hour or a little more away. Don't let this playground brawl between a bunch of children be the impression you have of this great city. We'll get this situation under control. Come and visit but as the late great Oregon Governor Tom McCall said, “I urge them to come and come many, many times to enjoy the beauty of Oregon. But I also ask them, for heaven’s sake, don’t move here to live.”. Tom McCall was a Republican although the way that party has moved so far to the right he wouldn't be today.

Wheeler should have learned from Tom. He should have paid all the local bands to play at the Moda Center and then gave away free tickets. :bigjoint:

In 1970 McCall was faced with a potential riot in Portland. In May of that year a week-long student protest at Portland State University over the Kent State shootings had ended with charges of excessive police violence. The American Legion had scheduled a convention in Portland later that summer; local antiwar groups were organizing a series of demonstrations at the same time under the name of the "People's Army Jamboree" and expected to draw up to 50,000 protesters.[12]

After attempts to convince the People's Army Jamboree to either not carry out their plans or to move the date, McCall decided to hold a rock festival at Milo McIver State Park near Estacada, Oregon called "Vortex I: A Biodegradable Festival of Life," in imitation of the famous Woodstock Festival held the previous year.

"I think I just committed political suicide," McCall is reported to have remarked immediately after approving the event. Vortex was the first and so far only state-sponsored rock festival in U.S. history.

The festival, nicknamed "The Governor's Pot Party" by Oregonians, was a success, attracting between 50,000 and 100,000 people. Gold, The Portland Zoo, Osceola, Fox, and Chrome Cyrcus were among the bands that played. The media announced that Santana, Jefferson Airplane, and the Grateful Dead were on the way, but none of them appeared. The feared violent clash between the antiwar groups and the conservative American Legion was avoided, and the city of Portland passed the summer relatively uneventfully. McCall was re-elected in November, with 56% of the vote.
Go suck a nazis dick already!

And please, guard your windows!
 
I don't owe anyone anything. The same people causing problems a year ago are still in the crowd from this last nonsense and will be in the crowd at the next display of ignorance. There were 13 arrests. All antifa participants. You guys let these fascists come into Portland, stand there for an hour, and then walk away and go to a barbecue. The only thing anyone will remember is that 13 antifa got arrested and the videos of the radical element associated with antifa looking violent. The fascists you were protesting were smiling and walking away and that's how they'll be portrayed. In the eye of public opinion antifa lost. All most Americans will see is a snippet on the news showing those masked, black clad, antifa looking violent. Then they'll see joey gibson smiling and talking on the camera about the barbecue they're having.

If I was a salesman on commision and could choose which product to sell based on the outcome of what happened in Portland I wouldn't choose antifa. This last encounter was just another blemish to a noble cause. antifa is losing the media war. And in this day and age of ten second snippets on twitter that's not good. You guys get your act together and purge yourselves of the violent element and I'll be there standing with you for any and all Non-Violent protests. But as it stands right now, I'm not wasting my time with a bunch of amateurs.
“If I was to promote a side, it would definitely be the Nazis. Leave my windows alone!”
 
You have no authority to tell me not to reply. I laughed when I read that. Too funny.

Anyway, I'm not your enemy. You drew First Blood by calling me names. You want to start a fire then be prepared to feel it's heat.

Put me on ignore if you don't want to read my posts. I find that people tend to get upset when the truth hurts. If you can't face it then you should probably just block it out of your mind.

Click my avatar - on the right about halfway down is ignore - click on that
LOL,

Caught out lying and leaves claiming I offended him.

"It is Portland's fault that fascists came to Portland to fight"

He doesn't know what he's talking about but says it loudly just the same.
 
antifa is not even organized. It's hard to say who identifies as antifa and who doesn't. One thing is certain, the violent alt-left has hijacked the movement. Some of these people have been running amok before joey and his proud boys came to town. They have been causing mayhem for years. Breaking windows, blocking traffic, harassing motorists, etc... People not from here don't understand that this has been going on for a long time. antifa wants to make it about them vs the racists/fascists but if that's the case then why were they causing problems before the racists and fascists even came to town?
Do you guys have real gangs there, or is this basically a handful of people filling that role and calling themselves that? Because I doubt you can go to any big city in America and not have the same thing, just a different name.

I think this is a issue that is getting Black Lives Matter'd.
 
EVERYONE has windows

Not everyone has a Jewish or Muslim or immigrant friend

Very smart of xtsho to speak out for the poor windows here
 
Do you guys have real gangs there, or is this basically a handful of people filling that role and calling themselves that? Because I doubt you can go to any big city in America and not have the same thing, just a different name.

I think this is a issue that is getting Black Lives Matter'd.
Very good analogy and point made.
 
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