POLL: Income Tax
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tip top toker
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Indeed i am from the grotty side of the pond, her majesty's realm, but why not.
1. Do not use Medicare. - no
2. Do not use Social Security - no
3. Do not become a member of the US military, who are paid with tax dollars. - no
4. Do not ask the National Guard to help you after a disaster. - no
5. Do not call 911 when you get hurt. - no
6. Do not call the police to stop intruders in your home. - no
7. Do not summon the fire department to save your burning home. - no
8. Do not drive on any paved road, highway, and interstate or drive on any bridge. - road tax, not income tax
9. Do not use public restrooms. - no
10. Do not send your kids to public schools. - fuck no
11. Do not put your trash out for city garbage collectors. - council tax, not income tax
12. Do not live in areas with clean air. - city is full of smog..
13. Do not drink clean water. - i buy my water from a private water company
14. Do not visit National Parks. - no
15. Do not visit public museums, zoos, and monuments. - no (and they cost money to enter over here so lol)
16. Do not eat or use FDA inspected food and medicines. - fuck no
17. Do not bring your kids to public playgrounds. - council tax, not income tax
18. Do not walk or run on sidewalks. - I walk in the road. i pay my road tax that's my right
19. Do not use public recreational facilities such as basketball and tennis courts. - no
20. Do not seek shelter facilities or food in soup kitchens when you are homeless and hungry. - no
21. Do not apply for educational or job training assistance when you lose your job. - no, nor benefits of any sort
22. Do not apply for food stamps when you can’t feed your children. - no
23. Do not use the judiciary system for any reason. - no, why would i want to? It's one big pool of corruption
24. Do not ask for an attorney when you are arrested and do not ask for one to be assigned to you by the court. - no, i have my own or can act as representative to the person
25. Do not apply for any Pell Grants. - no, don't know what it is
26. Do not use cures that were discovered by labs using federal dollars. - no, i don't take chemical medicines or see doctors or attend hospitals
27. Do not fly on federally regulated airplanes. - can't, not unless i fancy a dose of radiation
28. Do not use any product that can trace its development back to NASA. - not that i'm aware of
29. Do not watch the weather provided by the National Weather Service. - no, there's private
30. Do not listen to severe weather warnings from the National Weather Service. no, there's private
31. Do not listen to tsunami, hurricane, or earthquake alert systems. - no, i live in england
32. Do not apply for federal housing. - no, there are plenty of fields and forests
33. Do not use the internet, which was developed by the military. - anything can be "developed", who invented it?
34. Do not swim in clean rivers. - rivers are filthy and filled with pollutants.
35. Do not allow your child to eat school lunches or breakfasts. - no
36. Do not ask for FEMA assistance when everything you own gets wiped out by disaster. - no
37. Do not ask the military to defend your life and home in the event of a foreign invasion. - no
38. Do not use your cell phone or home telephone. - no, and again, it's private
39. Do not buy firearms that wouldn’t have been developed without the support of the US Government and military. That includes most of them. - no
40. Do not eat USDA inspected produce and meat. - no
At 40 and i can't be bothere with any more. I live an incredibly simple life, it always amuses me a bit when people just asume they know who and what you are.
There are one or two things i am happy to pay a body or company to maintain, one being roads, although if bridleways were maintained throughout the country i'd have no need, and the other is the collection of my rubbish, although i can quite easily dispose of it cleanly myself if i felt like it. The rest though, no thanks, right now the government is trying to sell off our country's public forests in a cash grab bid, yet with the other hand spending well over quater of a billion pounds on bloody libya
Oh, and the one about soup kitchens amuses me greatly. We pay tax so that we can have soup kitchens, yet they're trying to make it illegal to feed the homeless yourself because they say it promotes crime and such.. wait a minute what?
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Then taxes need to be paid for his spot of time in jail. Yet nothings wrong with the system?
UncleBuck
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i fail to believe most people have not or would not fly on a plane, or eat usda inspected meat or produce, or use a sidewalk, or a public beach or recreation area.
these people are what you might call "liars".
funny thing is, they do it over the internet, yours to use thanks to those socialist scumbags in the army
these people are what you might call "liars".
funny thing is, they do it over the internet, yours to use thanks to those socialist scumbags in the army
Income taxes are used to pay the Public debt, nothing else. The money the Government needs to run everything, pay employees, repair infrastructure, pay entitlements (medicare aid and SS) is borrowed at interest from other countries or is directly monetized by the Federal Reserve.
Fed buys Treasury debt, Treasury pays interest to Fed, and Fed pays its earnings to Treasury. Shell game?
Fed buys Treasury debt, Treasury pays interest to Fed, and Fed pays its earnings to Treasury. Shell game?
tip top toker
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I have flown on a plane, when i was not of an age or situation to pay taxes, thanks to the US government, i no longer can fly on a plane without handing over my rights and recieving a lovely dose of radiation. Are you awre of the ungodly shit that they allow in foods? Mmm, government aproved milk, growth hormones, antibiotics and painkillers, mmmmm. Yet they then raided and force closed the raw milk farm. ever think that maybe you're paying taxes for things purely because they're forcing you into a situation where the government supplying it is the only means. I mean what in hell does the government and as such tax money have to do with the flight of a plane other than that they have told you that it must conform to their codes, that they have to make everything safe, they're turning the citizens into mindless drones, who don't think anythiong can be acomplished without the governments guidance and control or something.i fail to believe most people have not or would not fly on a plane, or eat usda inspected meat or produce, or use a sidewalk, or a public beach or recreation area.
these people are what you might call "liars".
funny thing is, they do it over the internet, yours to use thanks to those socialist scumbags in the army
Small secret, a good and happy life is quite quite possible without a government to interfere and tell you what you may or may not do, although in the UK if you try that they'll just evict you from your own land and try and force you back into the benefit system as is being shown in two instances at present. Apparently to live on the same land you grow produce on, the land has to be able to provide a living wage for at least 1 worker, yet the fact that the work they're doing is keeping them alive, pretty much the most difinitive example of a living wage in my mind, but oh no, living wage means a certain mount of pound sterling a week or whatnot, they can't let poeple not use money.
Did anyone ever read the story about the guy who was raided because he paid his employee's in gold and silver and as such they did not pay tax due to the face value of their wages, that was a bit bizarre
UncleBuck
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you get more radiation simply flying on the plane than by any scanner beforehand
i can take a drive in the country side and pick up fresh produce, meat, eggs, or whatever else i want.
so much for "government is the only means"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_accidents_and_disasters_by_death_toll#Aviation
care to tell me where most of these plane crashes happened?
read all about it, they could not charge him with a crime directly related to how he was being taxed, instead they got him for fraud, seems he was using the face value of US Silver and Gold Eagles to pay his employees, but using market value of the actual metal to underwrite loans he received (He used the coins as collateral in order to get large business loans).
tip top toker
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Sorry to say but i dno't really believe all the figures, we were all told that it was X and Y and that no images would be stored and this and that, not long down the line proof emerges that they've lied about everything about the scanners really, i'll not use them thankyouyou get more radiation simply flying on the plane than by any scanner beforehand
I'm happy to recieve radiation flying somewhere, i'm not happy to recieve some radiation over some bullshit utterly pointless security measure based on trying to maintain the fear and abolish our rights in the process. So glad you understood that as a general point and not specifically about foodi can take a drive in the country side and pick up fresh produce, meat, eggs, or whatever else i want.
so much for "government is the only means"
I don't see the point here, what has plane crashes got to do with an ability to fly a plane should you have one? Government halth and safety regulations can be proven to save lives and yada yada, strangely enough i can run a business just dandy without giving two damned about a single one of these regulations without the issues that would seemingly arise without them. Anyone can set low standards if that is there wish. It does not require a government to maintain the operational safety of an airplanecare to tell me where most of these plane crashes happened?
people have to be really fucking useless to not be able to do things to a good standard without a governemnt holding their hand 
UncleBuck
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not everyone can own a plane you know. they get expensive, i hear.
so most people are left with the option of commercial or private airlines.
private airlines are also pricey. go check.
so most people are left with commercial airlines as their only option for flying.
i don't know about you, but i'd prefer to fly on a highly regulated and maintained US commercial aircraft than whatever rickety old secondhand aircraft they are flying in somalia.
like i said, id on't know about you, but i'm no daredevil.
DrFever
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i own a jet
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tip top toker
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I've flown little 2 eat single prop planes around the country, i have friends who own small planes, ultralights, build their own, they don't have any issues or money concerns, it's a crate with an engine, you can certainly make something as expensive as you like though, doesn't mean it's a necessity
but thee little planes, they have to conform to this that and everything. You also get the ability to use parachutes in the smaller planes Pnd private, as in a private company, not your own plane, of course it'll be expensive it's just any other business catering to the ultra rich.
Here's a question. If taxes are all fair and whatnot, why should you have to pay a good sum of money to get a replacement driving license every X years, not to cofirm that you can still drive, just to keep it upto date, why should someone have to repetitively pay for something that they have already proved themselves capable of. A driving license isn't a card achnowledging your ability, it's just a tax receipt stating you can drive a car for X many years, nothing about the actual ability to drive or antying, there is no re-test, yet there is a re-payment. Taxed just to be able to do something you've already proved to them in their own test you can do. If i don't have my license, i get fucked by the government, yet i'm probably a better driver than 75% of the poeple out there with their licenses. Has nowt to do with the actual ability, just a well argued manner of pulling in some money.
UncleBuck
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try flying one of those to hawaiiI've flown little 2 eat single prop planes around the country, i have friends who own small planes, ultralights, build their own, they don't have any issues or money concerns, it's a crate with an engine, you can certainly make something as expensive as you like though, doesn't mean it's a necessity
in arizona, you pay for a license once and it is good until you are 65.
here in oregon, you pay about 7 times as much for a license that is only good for 8 years.
it is a revenue generator for the state so that we may drive on roads that are not in disrepair and bridges that don't fall into the river. although that type of thing has been known to happen, see minnesota.
fees and taxes are not the same thing. so your whole diatribe is quite irrelevant.
You can't do that year round though.
tip top toker
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I'd rather just fly to the Mediterraneantry flying one of those to hawaii
in arizona, you pay for a license once and it is good until you are 65.
here in oregon, you pay about 7 times as much for a license that is only good for 8 years.
it is a revenue generator for the state so that we may drive on roads that are not in disrepair and bridges that don't fall into the river. although that type of thing has been known to happen, see minnesota.
fees and taxes are not the same thing. so your whole diatribe is quite irrelevant.
We pay a yearly road tax for the maintenance of the roads, so i'm lost as to the requirement for any payment for a renewal as all it is payment for is a new card, nothing more. and there was recently an article about the anger about said renewal, about how it was just a second tax... so it might not be irrelevant.
We're in different countries, a debate is naturally gonna be a bit tricky
I am one of few though, not many people think like me 
newworldicon
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The UK is as corrupted by it's elite as the USA is, most Brits just don't realise it yet cause they are still in love with their royal family.
newworldicon
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Queen is the problem but she is merely the calender girl for the monarchy system which is what we should be dismantling really. Saw Kate in the press here and she looks like she attended an Aushwitz diet camp...im in love with kates legs
Charlie Ventura
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Have you considered that the tax on income is an attack on economic and personal liberty? Why not replace the entire income tax code with a simple national sales tax? Consider this: In a truly free country, it is none of the government's business how much the citizen makes, how he/she makes it, or how he/she spends it, as long as the rights of another are not violated in the process.
Your retort is welcomed.
UncleBuck
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oh, a national sales tax, you say?
that way, the working poor like myself who live hand to mouth would have 100% of their incomes taxed, while the uber rich would see only a small percentage of their incomes taxed.
that sounds fair, if by fair you mean "regressive".