police state evidence at G20 protest

NoDrama said:

Because deep inside many of the police just want to go bash heads in and shoot people for no other reason than blood lust, so they get one of their own to act like one of the protesters and throw something at the police so they have an excuse to crack skulls. A well known false flag utilized by many countries in the past.

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In America, the police can bash skulls without a valid reason, especially where there is a large crowd and police are decked out in riot gear, so throwing rocks at themselves is just silly. They had already warned the "protesters" that if they didn't leave, the police would use force. This is pretty much standard for riot situations when the crowd is asked to disperse and doesn't.

Isn't it great to be free?

I've read this entire thread & don't understand what everyone is complaining about. If you are free then you shouldn't be worried about anything. I will give an opinion on the permit thing though. Permit is basically short for permission which in turn means you're asking someone else if you can do something...sounds like a slave to me. I personally don't ask people for shit & in return hope that I won't get any shit. I never attend protests because they accomplish very little & violence is usually present simply because people are angry. Protests are a way for people to blame something or somebody else for not taking responsibility for theirself. If you don't like something or don't wanna do something then DON'T. I'll give an example...people were protesting banks right...Why protest a bank if you don't like it-just don't use it. I hope someone understands what I'm getting at. I grow herb without permission because I WANT to & I don't need anyone's o.k. to do so. People don't realize how many of their choices are based in fear.

Dfunk said:

I've read this entire thread & don't understand what everyone is complaining about. If you are free then you shouldn't be worried about anything. I will give an opinion on the permit thing though. Permit is basically short for permission which in turn means you're asking someone else if you can do something...sounds like a slave to me. I personally don't ask people for shit & in return hope that I won't get any shit. I never attend protests because they accomplish very little & violence is usually present simply because people are angry. Protests are a way for people to blame something or somebody else for not taking responsibility for theirself. If you don't like something or don't wanna do something then DON'T. I'll give an example...people were protesting banks right...Why protest a bank if you don't like it-just don't use it. I hope someone understands what I'm getting at. I grow herb without permission because I WANT to & I don't need anyone's o.k. to do so. People don't realize how many of their choices are based in fear.

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So you think law and order are disposable? Do you have a driver's license? Are you married? Have you ever built a house from the ground up or built additions to an existing structure? Do you think someone should be able to operate a business without a license and without paying taxes?

My children have to ask permission before they go outside. does this mean they are slaves?

First off I think law & order are two completly different things or in other words I think there could be order without intrusive laws. I have a driver's license because I am a part of the current society & system. I am not married & never shall I be as I don't think it's necessary for a binding contract between two people when they TRULY love each other. I've never built a house because I've never had the opportunity...kinda difficult when you have to ask permission wouldn't you agree? I mean it's not like I can go build house wherever I want. I do think someone should be able to operate a business on their own terms not someone else's. Your children are slaves to you don't you think? If you tell your kids everything they can or can't do it's not like they're free. Do you understand the definition of slave or slavery? Do you know what it means to be TRULY free?

Dfunk said:

First off I think law & order are two completly different things or in other words I think there could be order without intrusive laws. I have a driver's license because I am a part of the current society & system. I am not married & never shall I be as I don't think it's necessary for a binding contract between two people when they TRULY love each other. I've never built a house because I've never had the opportunity...kinda difficult when you have to ask permission wouldn't you agree? I mean it's not like I can go build house wherever I want. I do think someone should be able to operate a business on their own terms not someone else's. Your children are slaves to you don't you think? If you tell your kids everything they can or can't do it's not like they're free. Do you understand the definition of slave or slavery? Do you know what it means to be TRULY free?

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You had to obtain permission to drive, did you not? A driver's "license" is a permit to operate a vehicle.

Do you think if it weren't for the health department regulations in the food service industry, that restaurants would enforce sanitation and preparation measures meant to prevent contamination and food-borne illnesses? Not likely. Why not? Because those measures typically cost money. do you think businesses exist to make money, or to make people happy? Regulations exist to enforce safety policies that otherwise would not be implemented because, while they help ensure safety, they cut into profits. Businesses care more about making money than they do about the safety of their customers.

No, my children are not slaves. They have minds of their own and use them quite frequently to go against my wishes (WISHES, not "orders"). I advise them to ask permission before going outside so I can know where they are and keep them SAFE. I do this without anybody requiring me to, because I care about the safety of my children.

If businesses cared as much about the safety of their customers as I do about the safety of my children, they wouldn't need to be regulated.

doobnVA said:

Why would the police throw rocks at themselves?

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To make it look like the protesters are being violent when they are actually peaceful. It's been done before during peaceful marches.

doobnVA said:

In the videos, there were numerous college students standing around gawking. I suppose it could have been one of them. Does that change the fact that they completely disregarded a hundred or so police in riot gear telling them to hightail it out of there? They were asking for it.

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In the video I saw when they were ask to move they did. It wasn't quick step, they questioned their authority, but they did leave peacefully.

doobnVA said:

I'll say it again; I'm not a fan of law enforcement in any way, but if a cop in riot gear tells me to move my ass, I do it.

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It depends on the individual ... it they feel their rights are being violated, they are not being violent, why shouldn't they question?

look at this:

http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/80761906/

it's very disturbing

I did have to obtain a license to drive & never once stated that I wasn't a slave to society because I definately am. I feel that many businesses would still operate with great quality & service in mind because if you take away all the regulation it makes way for a truly free market. The businesses that didn't keep clean, have quality products & service would put themselves out of business in my opinion. I wouldn't eat somewhere that's dirty. I can agree with your views & there would some issues, but I think honesty would keep most businesses doing the right thing because without any customers there is no profit. I know this sounds crazy, but I have faith that deep down inside people are decent. Your children seem to have an educated guide in life...that's a positive.

Dfunk said:

I did have to obtain a license to drive & never once stated that I wasn't a slave to society because I definately am. I feel that many businesses would still operate with great quality & service in mind because if you take away all the regulation it makes way for a truly free market. The businesses that didn't keep clean, have quality products & service would put themselves out of business in my opinion. I wouldn't eat somewhere that's dirty. I can agree with your views & there would some issues, but I think honesty would keep most businesses doing the right thing because without any customers there is no profit. I know this sounds crazy, but I have faith that deep down inside people are decent. Your children seem to have an educated guide in life...that's a positive.

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I guess that's where our opinions differ. I've seen some disgusting things go on at restaurants when the watchful eye of the health department wasn't hovering nearby. Our local health department publishes the results of restaurant inspections, and you'd be surprised what's really going on when nobody is regulating (some of) these people.

Yes, there are honest, decent people who care about other people, but it seems that these days they are few and far between.

I know what you mean...to be continued-gotta run.

Dfunk said:

I did have to obtain a license to drive & never once stated that I wasn't a slave to society because I definately am. I feel that many businesses would still operate with great quality & service in mind because if you take away all the regulation it makes way for a truly free market. The businesses that didn't keep clean, have quality products & service would put themselves out of business in my opinion. I wouldn't eat somewhere that's dirty. I can agree with your views & there would some issues, but I think honesty would keep most businesses doing the right thing because without any customers there is no profit. I know this sounds crazy, but I have faith that deep down inside people are decent. Your children seem to have an educated guide in life...that's a positive.

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Most businesses may operate decently, but there are enough Enron's and Wallmart's and insurance companies and drug companies etc that you simply cannot trust any or let any of them get too out of control. And just because a business is bad to people doesn't mean we don't use them, again think wallmart.

Think of all the price fixing that's been going on lately in all types of industries... We are slaves and being raped because we sold our government out and not enough of us do protest. We should stand up for what's right in this country but very few do. I really wonder what's it going to take for americans to wake up...

I don't know if I agree that "we" sold our government out. I think they sold themselves out, to the highest bidder - also known as "big business". Of course, then it comes down to the fact that WE have let it continue by continuing to vote for these people even once we saw where their loyalties lie (to the money, not us).

I think we ought to press them to make it ILLEGAL for corporations to "donate" money to our Congresspersons. If corporations want to influence government decisions then their boards of directors can cast individual votes like the rest of us.

http://www.prisonplanet.com/provocateur-cops-caught-disguised-as-anarchists-at-g20.htmlProvocateur Cops Caught Disguised As Anarchists At G20
Shocking video has emerged of cops posing as anarchist protesters at the G20 Summit in Pittsburgh, in yet another example of authorities attempting to provoke chaos at global summits in order to justify a brutal police crackdown.

if a law was passed decreeing that doobnva had to give his first born child for sacrifice, no doubt he would do it lol. so, because they dont have a permit, they deserve to be jack booted? you slave, you realize, a permit is PERMISSION TO DO SOMETHING THAT WOULD OTHERWISE BE ILLEGAL. therefore, you are acknowledging that protest is illegal, simply because the government says so. well no, its not illegal. i dont care if the gov passed a law saying i had to be strip searched before entering a Mcdonalds, its not the law. god, people are so fucking stupid i swear, only when tyranny hits home, do they finally wake up. i would bet you have never been wronged by the police, but as soon as it happens you'll be whining and howling at the moon. dumb bitch, go move to north korea where you belong.