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skinnys

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Instead of starting a new thread I'll post my next question here.
Isn't it weird that my plants still don't have preflowers in week 9?

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I just flipped back to 18/6 MH, since they wouldn't flower.
 
McShnutz

McShnutz

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Lol, looks like somebody's gonna have some mammoth bushes. Me personally I prefer to veg for 2 or 3 months. Give them a haircut, shave off a few inches, same as hair my guy, it'll just grow back.
 
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skinnys

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curious2garden said:
Your plants have opposing phyllotaxy. They aren't mature enough to flower.
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That settles it.

Sorry for bombing you guys with questions, I promise this is the last one.

I suspect I have root rot, I was bottomfeeding for a while and giving luke warm water, which I later found out was a terrible idea.
1. Is this root rot?
2. What's the best solution? H2O2?
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I can't look at the roots, the plant isn't able to lift the heavy coco. Roots poking out are slightly brown, mostly white.
 
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McShnutz said:
Lol, looks like somebody's gonna have some mammoth bushes. Me personally I prefer to veg for 2 or 3 months. Give them a haircut, shave off a few inches, same as hair my guy, it'll just grow back.
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I just trimmed one of them, I know they're a bit leafy. I trim every week! I'm a bit conservative with the trimming as I have overdone it and stunted the plant pretty hard before.
What bothers me the most is the droopyness :(
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McShnutz

McShnutz

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skinnys said:
I took your advice on the Gelato, does this look allright?
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Much better. So when it come to pruning, I think everyone would agree that It is stressful for the plant. But it's a catch 22, excessive pruning will stunt the plant, but pruning can also be good stress if you don't go crazy with it. It will actually promote growth. That being said, you did a good job on the gelato, but leave her alone for a while, allow her to "do her thing". Any more on that plant will be counter productive.

skinnys said:
I just trimmed one of them, I know they're a bit leafy. I trim every week! I'm a bit conservative with the trimming as I have overdone it and stunted the plant pretty hard before.
What bothers me the most is the droopyness :(
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To me this looks like nutrient burn and possibly water stress. Notice how that leaf blade is wilty and a couple others a clawed with burnt tips, That's excessive nutrient. I have yrs of using Advanced Nutrients, less is more with bottle nutrients. Never follow the recommended dosing, you can always give them more if they need it, but once it's in the soil it's much harder to remove. The plants will show you when they need an increase in ml/L. A good place to hover is 2ml/L mabey 2.5ml/L every plant is different, some are just heavy feeders most that I've grown like a mid range. Lastly, get into a routine of feed, water, water, feed. This allows the plant to be fed but also utilize the extra that's still in the soil. So just give plain water in-between feedings.
 
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skinnys

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McShnutz said:
Much better. So when it come to pruning, I think everyone would agree that It is stressful for the plant. But it's a catch 22, excessive pruning will stunt the plant, but pruning can also be good stress if you don't go crazy with it. It will actually promote growth. That being said, you did a good job on the gelato, but leave her alone for a while, allow her to "do her thing". Any more on that plant will be counter productive.


To me this looks like nutrient burn and possibly water stress. Notice how that leaf blade is wilty and a couple others a clawed with burnt tips, That's excessive nutrient. I have yrs of using Advanced Nutrients, less is more with bottle nutrients. Never follow the recommended dosing, you can always give them more if they need it, but once it's in the soil it's much harder to remove. The plants will show you when they need an increase in ml/L. A good place to hover is 2ml/L mabey 2.5ml/L every plant is different, some are just heavy feeders most that I've grown like a mid range. Lastly, get into a routine of feed, water, water, feed. This allows the plant to be fed but also utilize the extra that's still in the soil. So just give plain water in-between feedings.
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I've been considering feed, water, water for a while, will give it a go now! I'm currently at 2ml/L AN, 1ml additives.
My coco sits in 300-500ppm, runoff is allways lower than my feed(650) so I would be surprised if they're overfed? I've been using this feed since week 4 and haven't had any symptoms until now.

Water stress however, is almost guaranteed. I bottomfed it with luke warm water a couple weeks ago, they sat in stagnant water 24/7:wall:
One of my many brilliant ideas.

It's hard to get a good picture, but the leaves have this growth, these small hairs and clowdy crystals on them that looks to me like rot or mildew or something. The healthy part of the leaves doesn't have any of this.
The hairs grow straight outta the leaf. Crystallization/presipitation perhaps?

However I'll give your advice a go, I can lower the feed som more and flush it out.

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Thanks again, mate.
 
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McShnutz said:
Much better. So when it come to pruning, I think everyone would agree that It is stressful for the plant. But it's a catch 22, excessive pruning will stunt the plant, but pruning can also be good stress if you don't go crazy with it. It will actually promote growth. That being said, you did a good job on the gelato, but leave her alone for a while, allow her to "do her thing". Any more on that plant will be counter productive.


To me this looks like nutrient burn and possibly water stress. Notice how that leaf blade is wilty and a couple others a clawed with burnt tips, That's excessive nutrient. I have yrs of using Advanced Nutrients, less is more with bottle nutrients. Never follow the recommended dosing, you can always give them more if they need it, but once it's in the soil it's much harder to remove. The plants will show you when they need an increase in ml/L. A good place to hover is 2ml/L mabey 2.5ml/L every plant is different, some are just heavy feeders most that I've grown like a mid range. Lastly, get into a routine of feed, water, water, feed. This allows the plant to be fed but also utilize the extra that's still in the soil. So just give plain water in-between feedings.
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Damn it grows back fast. Remember the Gelato?
You were absolutely right.
Gave the other one a trim today.
They don't even seem to get stunted by it.
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If you're having issues with powder mold, I would ventilate the area more and have fans blowing all of the time. Keep your humidity under 40% during veg and around 50 to 60% in late flower. Higher humidity helps retain the flavor of your trichomes. Anything lower than 40 and the flavor starts to suffer. Growing in coco or any drain to waste hydro system will net you better flavor anyways even if your humidity falls under 40%. If you are a beginner, I would start in hempy and use basic nutrients. It's the same as coco but in a 5 gallon bucket with a hole drilled into it about 2 to 3" from the bottom. The roots will hit the bottom of the bucket and the plants will explode in growth and the buds will be gnarly. Don't over fertilize your plants. I always follow directions and use a basic nutrient setup. I have always been successful with General Hydroponics 3 part flora series with Florolicious plus and Liquid Koolbloom. Adding Mammoth P supplement during all phases of growth gives you another 10 to 20% yield and keeps your roots happy. In any drain to waste system you always want to keep the roots moist. I moved from recirculating systems a long time ago and will never grow in dirt indoors ever again due to the fact that you directly feed your plants in hydro so you minimize the resistance in the soil due to the fact you don't have 4 billion lumens of light like the sun and have to reduce your resistance of nutrient uptake by using hydro nutes. I mix perlite and coco 50/50 and place them in 5 gallon buckets with a pee hole drilled in the side and bottle feed them a little bit of nutrient every day or so until they start to grow. Once you see growth then I flood them out until runoff comes out the hole. This will keep them for at least a week. I would do another dose every week or so until you flower(you should be starting flower at 3 weeks of veg). I then switch up the nutes to transition to flower and then early bloom, mid bloom, late bloom, and by then you shouldn't be feeding them any Nitrogen or grow formula. I cut out my floragro when it tells me to and then after about a week you will see leaves starting to die off from lack of (N) which is what you want. You don't want your girls growing leaves by then and only concentrating on building bud structures. I start my clones in hempy party cups with the same setup with a small hole (melted) into the side of the cup filled with perlite and coco and start out with my seedling formula and place them inside of a walmart clear storage tote with a cheap walmart 4' led shoplight sitting ontop. I get roots in 2 weeks or less depending on how healthy the mother is or how big or healthy you keep the clone. I wish you the best of luck and happy growing. Don't stress and keep it basic and simple and you will have fine flower to smoke. It takes about 12 total weeks from clone to harvest so it's a long long long long.....looonnnggg process but rewarding.
 
jcdws602

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skinnys said:
I've been considering feed, water, water for a while, will give it a go now! I'm currently at 2ml/L AN, 1ml additives.
My coco sits in 300-500ppm, runoff is allways lower than my feed(650) so I would be surprised if they're overfed? I've been using this feed since week 4 and haven't had any symptoms until now.

Water stress however, is almost guaranteed. I bottomfed it with luke warm water a couple weeks ago, they sat in stagnant water 24/7:wall:
One of my many brilliant ideas.

It's hard to get a good picture, but the leaves have this growth, these small hairs and clowdy crystals on them that looks to me like rot or mildew or something. The healthy part of the leaves doesn't have any of this.
The hairs grow straight outta the leaf. Crystallization/presipitation perhaps?

However I'll give your advice a go, I can lower the feed som more and flush it out.

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Thanks again, mate.
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If you’re using coco as your medium you never just use plain water as it messes with the cation exchange. Multiple feedings a day with plenty of run off is ideal. NEVER let your plants sit in runoff or the coco will get salt build up resulting in toxicity symptoms which seem to be already occurring by the look of your plants. Check this out……super helpful https://www.cocoforcannabis.com/toc/
 
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Nutty sKunK

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skinnys said:
Do you have any idea what it is then? I have this white, somewhat greasy layer of something on my floor and reflector, I assumed it was PM. It seems to come when my humidity goes above 70%(I haven't bought a proper humidifier yet).
It wipes off easily with a damp cloth.
I would show you a pic but I just cleaned out my tent.
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If you don’t use RO water with humidifiers you get a build up of white residue on everything, at least in my experience. Could be that? Has a chalky dry feeling
 
Wastei

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I know it's hard but try not to love your plants to death starting out. You can always start new seeds or clones.

I second the humidifier white dust. I'm lucky where I'm at were the tap comes out at 50ppm. Takes years for any buildup to form but I've gone through many humidifiers. Speaking of that I should order me a backup!
 
McShnutz

McShnutz

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skinnys said:
Damn it grows back fast. Remember the Gelato?
You were absolutely right.
Gave the other one a trim today.
They don't even seem to get stunted by it.
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I'm happy things are turning around for you now. Perfect example of "good stress"
If your plan is to still flower as soon as they're mature, keep giving a VEG based nutrient for the first week of flower. They'll need the extra Nitrogen for the stretch phase, it help them pack on more nodes which equate to flower sites.
 
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