Plants won't flip

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TCH

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Looks like you have gotten answers to all the questions so far, but here goes.

RO or distilled water through the humidifier otherwise you will get white buildup from minerals in the water.

With coco, don't bottom water. Always water with feed to runoff. Plain water causes problems in coco.

Plants are looking good. Looking forward to see how they continue to do.
 
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TheWholeTruth

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Not sure what strain your growing, but switching backwards and forwards in to flower and veg and flower probably isnt a good idea. Growing indoors is different to how the plants behave outdoors. Yes is true a mature plant will flower abit faster than one forced into flowering, and mature cuttings is the best way. Some strains take different times indoors to go into flower. Ive seen some pure sativa take 9-10 weeks umder 10 on-14off lights to even show one pistol. Usually for most indoor hybrid strains its 3-4 weeks. Also its probably a good idea you put more holes into the bottom of your pots so the media can actually drain. Two tinny holes isnt sufficient. And you want your pots slightly raised from what ever they are sitting on so that a bit of air is able to circulate around the bottom of the roots. Its because of these things your probably getting root rott. It will probably be a good idea to get some h2o2/oxeygen plus products. And add that as directed regularly into you plant feed, it should help fix the rott. Perhaps a good idea to mix som h2o2 with water and wipe down all your surfaces once or twice . That should help.
I dont even think you should be use a humidifier for a couple of plants. Lots of grows on here you can see that do fine whithout them. Its just going to cause you a risk, and if you arnt experienced your going to have problems. Keep it basic, light, water (with feed in coco/hydro) and fresh and moving air.
 
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curious2garden

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Wastei said:
I know it's hard but try not to love your plants to death starting out. You can always start new seeds or clones.

I second the humidifier white dust. I'm lucky where I'm at were the tap comes out at 50ppm. Takes years for any buildup to form but I've gone through many humidifiers. Speaking of that I should order me a backup!
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250 PPM killed my first ultrasonic in under a month. I need to go to my mailbox and pick up its replacement and the dehumi waiting for me LOL
 
Greengrouch

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It sometimes takes 2-3 weeks to noticeably transition to flowering after flipping to 12/12 if you’re running from seed clones grown from mature plants usually faster like 1-2 weeks
 
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skinnys

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TCH said:
Looks like you have gotten answers to all the questions so far, but here goes.

RO or distilled water through the humidifier otherwise you will get white buildup from minerals in the water.

With coco, don't bottom water. Always water with feed to runoff. Plain water causes problems in coco.

Plants are looking good. Looking forward to see how they continue to do.
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Thanks for your input!
If you don't mind.. I'm thinking it's root bound, I ordered some larger fabricpots and the plan is to give the roots a trim. Sound good?
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Edit: Hey, pruning roots was easier than I thought. I did it all by hand, I pulled one root and then another one came loose and I just kept pulling and pulling them. Took me 10 mins and the room smells like cucumber.20230519_215601.jpg
 
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Highway61

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Switching light cycles back and forth is not good. Cutting off the roots is not good. You should always feed nutrients with every feeding in coco and multiple times per day. More often with small pots. Didn't see any root rot in your pic.
 
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skinnys

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Highway61 said:
Switching light cycles back and forth is not good. Cutting off the roots is not good. You should always feed nutrients with every feeding in coco and multiple times per day. More often with small pots. Didn't see any root rot in your pic.
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I only switched back for a few hours before I switched back again. Figured I would stick to the 12/12 after all.

Regarding roots, according to many well-known farmers, pruning roots is better than having it root-bound. The plant was suffering.
The next few days will tell me whether I made the right call.
 
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jcdws602

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What size pots are you in. Those plants do not look rootbound. You can grow some huge plants in smaller containers when using coco. Take some time to read and learn proper fertigation techniques when utilizing coco. There’s a lot of things you’re doing wrong but can easily fix by doing proper research.
 
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skinnys

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Most of the feedback has been helpful, you know who you are, and I sure appreciate you. Thank you!

I'll update this thread as my plants keep flowering, for those who are curious.

Peace✌
 
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TheWholeTruth

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skinnys said:
Most of the feedback has been helpful, you know who you are, and I sure appreciate you. Thank you!

I'll update this thread as my plants keep flowering, for those who are curious.

Peace✌
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Well you've checked the roots, they seem fine. You've cut the roots now and repoted them. A tip once you go into flower every bit of stress could add to the time it takes to go into full flower and finish. Dont stress, and dont listen to too many things from different sources. Your plants are set now. Just leave them on flower light and let them do their thing. The more you mess about the longer it will take. Even something as simple as switching your light back to veg can drop the flowering hormones low enough were you have to wait the 2-3 weeks again for enough flower hormones to rebuild under flowering light. Ive just had guy who has repoted his plants mid flower and they have gone back into full stretch mode again(sativas) and started growing shoots out and growing stem inbetween the buds, and now he is wondering why. Keep it simple and check out similar small successful start to finish good grows. You will see the best small couple plant grows are simple. Good luck.
 
Highway61

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You should be able to get them to the finish line but they will be stressed - at least for a while.

Best practices would be to get your plants healthy and stable before flipping to 12/12. But after the flip, you want to let them ride without stress. The first three weeks after the flip is when your plants should have explosive growth. You want your environment, lights, and nutes all dialed in at that point to take advantage of that growth spurt and transition into flower as stress free as possible.

As others have said, you need to get your pots on risers so that they don't sit in runoff. Water to runoff several times per day. Always with nutes.

Hopefully your root structure can transport the amount of water that your canopy wants to transpire as you go into the stretch.

Best regards.
 
TCH

TCH

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Those definitely weren't root bound. That said, trimming the roots isn't the end of the world. A lot of people will cut the bottom section of roots off when they up pot. Ideally you do it while they are still vegging so they have time to recover from any stress. The beauty of growing in coco and feeding once or twice a day is you can grow some solid plants in small containers. I recently pulled some plants from half gallon containers and moved them to 2 pot containers. The roots were solid in parts and hard as wood. And the plants were about 6' tall.

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Stagger'em

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skinnys said:
It's been 9 days since I flipped into 12/12, I've actually increased it to 10/14(10h on) 6 days ago.
They just won't flip?
I've cooled down the tent a little more to simulate fall.
What else can I do? Should I just wait?

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Gotta do 1212 bud. Then turn light back, as in time, more dark, about last 2 weeks. Your trying to mimic nature. She'll think she's dying, and pump her last drops of thc for you
Best of luck bro.
 
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skinnys said:
Do you have any idea what it is then? I have this white, somewhat greasy layer of something on my floor and reflector, I assumed it was PM. It seems to come when my humidity goes above 70%(I haven't bought a proper humidifier yet).
It wipes off easily with a damp cloth.
I would show you a pic but I just cleaned out my tent.
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Are you using a mist humidifier with tap or well water? The minerals will drop out of solution as the water evaporates and leave white powder around as fine as talcum powder. This can and will ultimately clog and ruin carbon filters. Ask me how I know this. Distilled water will solve this issue but can be cost prohibitive. Ultimately, I turned to rainwater collection after waiting for it to be clean and low ppm (under 10). Then about 8 drops of bleach per gallon for storage. Solved the powder issue for me. Works for plant watering too after off gassing the chlorine.
 
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Stagger'em said:
Gotta do 1212 bud. Then turn light back, as in time, more dark, about last 2 weeks. Your trying to mimic nature. She'll think she's dying, and pump her last drops of thc for you
Best of luck bro.
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Thanks for the tip, I wasn't aware of that. I'll give it a go :)

Fishmon said:
Are you using a mist humidifier with tap or well water? The minerals will drop out of solution as the water evaporates and leave white powder around as fine as talcum powder. This can and will ultimately clog and ruin carbon filters. Ask me how I know this. Distilled water will solve this issue but can be cost prohibitive. Ultimately, I turned to rainwater collection after waiting for it to be clean and low ppm (under 10). Then about 8 drops of bleach per gallon for storage. Solved the powder issue for me. Works for plant watering too after off gassing the chlorine.
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Somebody suggested that already so that's solved. But thanks!

Why do you run humidifier and carbon filter at the same time? I mean I want low RH in flower stage anyway, so I never run them together.
 
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TheWholeTruth

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skinnys said:
Thanks for the tip, I wasn't aware of that. I'll give it a go :)



Somebody suggested that already so that's solved. But thanks!

Why do you run humidifier and carbon filter at the same time? I mean I want low RH in flower stage anyway, so I never run them together.
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I would just leave them. The more you mess about the longer things are going to take. Nothing wrong with 10-14. It will just make them flower faster and finish a few days faster. If you want to try 12/12 do it on the next plants.The more you keep messing about the more issues you will have. Good way to trigger male flowers is to keep messing with light cycle, stressing them, changing temperatures ect.
 
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Fishmon

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skinnys said:
Thanks for the tip, I wasn't aware of that. I'll give it a go :)



Somebody suggested that already so that's solved. But thanks!

Why do you run humidifier and carbon filter at the same time? I mean I want low RH in flower stage anyway, so I never run them together.
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skinnys said:
Thanks for the tip, I wasn't aware of that. I'll give it a go :)



Somebody suggested that already so that's solved. But thanks!

Why do you run humidifier and carbon filter at the same time? I mean I want low RH in flower stage anyway, so I never run them together.
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skinnys said:
Thanks for the tip, I wasn't aware of that. I'll give it a go :)



Somebody suggested that already so that's solved. But thanks!

Why do you run humidifier and carbon filter at the same time? I mean I want low RH in flower stage anyway, so I never run them together.
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Depending on the time of year my RH can go well below optimal even during flower. I prefer to attempt to keep vpd in the ballpark throughout the grow and has worked for me.
 
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skinnys

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Some say you should prune your plant in flower, some say you shouldn't.
I pruned a week ago, now the plant is once again bushy asf, and lots of flowers aren't getting light. I thought I'd let it finish it's stretch and then give it one fat pruning, removing everything below third node from top and most of the sugarleaves.
So far I haven't seen my plant stunted from pruning, believe it or not, after just 2 days it's got a brand new canopy so I'm thinking it won't hurt.

Thoughts?
 
Jjgrow420

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skinnys said:
Some say you should prune your plant in flower, some say you shouldn't.
I pruned a week ago, now the plant is once again bushy asf, and lots of flowers aren't getting light. I thought I'd let it finish it's stretch and then give it one fat pruning, removing everything below third node from top and most of the sugarleaves.
So far I haven't seen my plant stunted from pruning, believe it or not, after just 2 days it's got a brand new canopy so I'm thinking it won't hurt.

Thoughts?
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I remove leaves almost daily. Totally fine. Just don't go crazy. Also don't listen to bad advice about changing light cycles. Run 12/12 for flower. Don't change it.
 
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