Plant height, how... ?

I just got some seeds I ordered from RQS, and with it came a pamphlet with all the strains and grow information about them, and few questions arose in my mind while reading it.

How accurate is the information usually about the plant height, for example if it says 90-150cm ?
In what conditions is this determined? If you were to plant in a tiny pot, obviously it wouldnt get that tall.
So would it be a fair assumption that the stated 90-160 cm is under condition where the plant has abundance of growing medium, so its not stunted by being rooted or lack of nutrients to grow?

If I had a strain like this, growing indoors 90-160cm, and I wanted it short like 60-90cm , would it be a valid method to go with a smaller pot, like for example 2 gallons/ 6 litre pot and maybe veg 2-3 weeks only?

Oneirogen said:

I just got some seeds I ordered from RQS, and with it came a pamphlet with all the strains and grow information about them, and few questions arose in my mind while reading it.

How accurate is the information usually about the plant height, for example if it says 90-150cm ?
In what conditions is this determined? If you were to plant in a tiny pot, obviously it wouldnt get that tall.
So would it be a fair assumption that the stated 90-160 cm is under condition where the plant has abundance of growing medium, so its not stunted by being rooted or lack of nutrients to grow?

If I had a strain like this, growing indoors 90-160cm, and I wanted it short like 60-90cm , would it be a valid method to go with a smaller pot, like for example 2 gallons/ 6 litre pot and maybe veg 2-3 weeks only?

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You can use a big pot and LST for height.

Underground Scientist said:

You can use a big pot and LST for height.

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I know that, but it didnt quite answer my questions, you kind of just give advice for a workaround. Thanks anyway

are they auto flower reg beans?. tts based on a 4 week veg and 8 week flower unless they autos then you just let them do them.. most nute lines will do the same . 4 week veg. 8 week flower.. so if it say 150 that would be its max height it could obtain in that time.. where i have friend that will veg 8 weeks and im sure they would exceed the height . the max pot size is what ever you want it to be if you plan on vegging say more than 4 weeks.. but imo i would not veg for only 2 to 3 weeks. you want shortys? then do them in the smaller pots . 2 to 5 gal.

these are day 30 in 1 gal. i could and have left them in the 1 gal and what i found was i had to water more often cuz in bloom they need to eat, but had about the same yield if it was in the 1 gal or a five gal if vegged the same amount of time

The pot size doesn't really affect the height, but more so the breadth. If you have a small pot the plant will still keep growing up in height but if in a larger pot it will grow in both height and breadth. The plant structure will somewhat represent the root mass. Or at least that's my observations..

Oneirogen said:

I know that, but it didnt quite answer my questions, you kind of just give advice for a workaround. Thanks anyway

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Sounded like height was a concern. Point was, don't worry about it, lots of ways to control it.

i've found their information to be horseshit. i guess it depends on the grower that writes it all out, but most of them are full of shit and wildly inaccurate. mostly it depends on how you grow and train them. the only rule of thumb i've found to be semi accurate is that indicas are shorter than sativas

Roger A. Shrubber said:

i've found their information to be horseshit. i guess it depends on the grower that writes it all out, but most of them are full of shit and wildly inaccurate. mostly it depends on how you grow and train them. the only rule of thumb i've found to be semi accurate is that indicas are shorter than sativas

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I guess your right, but on the other hand it is mother nature and not factorymade stuff, so its not strange that they put ranges, like for example 90-160cm that is a big range. But would it be safe to assume that essentially with minor differences, its the size of the pot and the medium as well as time vegging that determine the height, to more degreee than the strain?

Oneirogen said:

I guess your right, but on the other hand it is mother nature and not factorymade stuff, so its not strange that they put ranges, like for example 90-160cm that is a big range. But would it be safe to assume that essentially with minor differences, its the size of the pot and the medium as well as time vegging that determine the height, to more degreee than the strain?

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A lot of time you will see em quote two different yield numbers...lot of times that's indoor/outdoor. There are so many factors indoor though. You could stretch it real tall or train it short. Don't read into those numbers too much, unless you want a shorter strain, compare the different varieties by the vendor and look for shorter ones comparatively.

Oneirogen said:

I guess your right, but on the other hand it is mother nature and not factorymade stuff, so its not strange that they put ranges, like for example 90-160cm that is a big range. But would it be safe to assume that essentially with minor differences, its the size of the pot and the medium as well as time vegging that determine the height, to more degreee than the strain?

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strain is a factor, but until you have experience with that strain yourself, i wouldn't trust what they print.
the bigger a pot you put it in, the more room it has to grow, and of course good balanced grow medium will grow a bigger plant than badly draining dense crappy medium, it all works together, if you have a plant with good genetics, a large enough container, and good grow mix, then you can grow trees, screw any one of those things up, and you're growing bonsai trees

I agree with much of what you just said except id remove pot size from your list. Myself and a few other growers including Farmhouse Genetics have run experiments with many diff size plants, even growing 6ft trees in very small pots and have all came to the conclusion that as long as you compensate with more feedings/waterings there is not much difference. @Roger A. Shrubber

lio lacidem said:

I agree with much of what you just said except id remove pot size from your list. Myself and a few other growers including Farmhouse Genetics have run experiments with many diff size plants, even growing 6ft trees in very small pots and have all came to the conclusion that as long as you compensate with more feedings/waterings there is not much difference. @Roger A. Shrubber

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That goes perhaps to a certain degree and minimum pot size. There was a thread on another forum might have been ICMAG, where people grew in tiny containers, i mean like shot glasses, and actually got a 4-5 inch plant and 1gram of bud. So certainly that showed the limitations, you cant grow a 5 foot sativa in a shot glass, no matter how much water and nutrients you give it. Perhaps after 1-2 gallon pot size makes less and less of importance.

Oneirogen said:

I just got some seeds I ordered from RQS, and with it came a pamphlet with all the strains and grow information about them, and few questions arose in my mind while reading it.

How accurate is the information usually about the plant height, for example if it says 90-150cm ?
In what conditions is this determined? If you were to plant in a tiny pot, obviously it wouldnt get that tall.
So would it be a fair assumption that the stated 90-160 cm is under condition where the plant has abundance of growing medium, so its not stunted by being rooted or lack of nutrients to grow?

If I had a strain like this, growing indoors 90-160cm, and I wanted it short like 60-90cm , would it be a valid method to go with a smaller pot, like for example 2 gallons/ 6 litre pot and maybe veg 2-3 weeks only?

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The way they make a call is by how THEY grow it in THEIR environment and for their amount of veg.

Do some plants have a "limit". For the most part yes. Yet if you put a plant outside, in the ground, feed it right and veg it long.....How big will that get?

Oneirogen said:

That goes perhaps to a certain degree and minimum pot size. There was a thread on another forum might have been ICMAG, where people grew in tiny containers, i mean like shot glasses, and actually got a 4-5 inch plant and 1gram of bud. So certainly that showed the limitations, you cant grow a 5 foot sativa in a shot glass, no matter how much water and nutrients you give it. Perhaps after 1-2 gallon pot size makes less and less of importance.

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Of course you cant grow a tree In a shot glass but you can grow the same six foot tree in a one gallon pot that you can in a 5 gallon indoors.

lio lacidem said:

Of course you cant grow a tree In a shot glass but you can grow the same six foot tree in a one gallon pot that you can in a 5 gallon indoors.

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Sounds unbelievable that you cold grow a 5 foot plant in 1 gallon, but I'll have to take your word for it. Just dont see how it would grow that much, should become root bound and stop growing after about 3 feet.

you can, but its not as stable. if you have a 20 gallon tote, and you're growing a 6 foot plant out of it, and you have some kind of problem, like the onset of root rot, you have plenty of time to fix it. if you're growing the same plant in a 2 gallon bucket, and have the same problem, you better be RIGHT on top of it, right now. why complicate matters by cramming a plant into the smallest container you can? the canopy is going to take as much room as it can, what does it matter to me if theres a 2 gallon bucket under it, or a 20?

If you want shorter plants use pots like those in the big picture from Underground Scientist. You want pots that are at least as wide as they are tall. That will encourage shorter bushier plants.

Good luck, BigSteve.

Oneirogen said:

Sounds unbelievable that you cold grow a 5 foot plant in 1 gallon, but I'll have to take your word for it. Just dont see how it would grow that much, should become root bound and stop growing after about 3 feet.

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Due to equipment failure (and parts on back order) I have nearly 6' tall plants in 1gal pots (they are closer to 3ltr). They should have been moved into the bloom room and "upgraded" (transplanted into 5-15gal pots) a couple weeks ago. Strains currently over 5' are Gelato#33, GG#4, 2 old school OG's, Hollywood Pure Kush, Purple Kush, M1-3 (tall lanky Animal Cookies "bagseed"), and a few of my GG#4 crosses (probably more that I'm forgetting). Of these, it's really only the Animal Cookies crosses that are starting to "complain", but that is less about the pot size than it is "elbow room".

I'm heading there in a bit, I'll throw up a coulple pics with a measuring tape beside them.

Should be completing the final "touches" on the bloom room and will get them "upgraded" tonight. Crossing my fingers (wish me luck).