Perkele's Growing Journal First plant

lime73

lime73

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perkele said:
After...I had some problems with the lower leaves...some yellow spots. Asked on the forum and the plant was diagnosed with Calcium/magnesium deficit. So...i gave it Ca...not in a normal way or how everybody would have done it, but I had to improvise. I gave it human pills. Calcichew D Forte. Magic pill for calcium deficit in humans. Contains 500 mg of Calcium and Vitamin D for stabilization. It appears it worked well. No new yellow spots since.
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that is for people..not for plants.
 
perkele

perkele

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so if it's mg that is missing, what should I add? I guess I can run to the pharmacy to buy some mg pills :)
 
perkele

perkele

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"Mag Def starts in the middle of the plant and moves quickly. One teaspoon of epsons salt per gallon of water. If it is not mag def, the epson salt will not hurt the plant. "
I'll go and see what I can find...
 
lime73

lime73

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long as its for plants...and not people pills! haha

cuz im thinking the calcium pills were too much.... and may have locked out other minor nutrients...Mg.
 
perkele

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supposedly I'll find some epsom salt, I need to add 1 teaspoon of epsom per gallon, so that's 1 teaspoon to 3.7 liters of water. Yesterday I just watered it. Should I wait until next time ? I don't want to over-water her
 
lime73

lime73

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yes 1 gal= almost 4 liters ...yah i would wait til next watering to give epsom salt, so you don't end up overwatering. :)
 
matthebrute

matthebrute

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i have to agree with perkle on this one Ca is Ca and Mg is Mg. epsom salt is for human use as well thats why they sell it at pharmacy's

H2O is for human use and plants alike. if you have ever taken a basic chemistry class thats one of the first things they preach.
 
lime73

lime73

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perkele said:
Yea, called Calcichew D3 Forte. This is a list of what it contains:
Sorbitol E420
Povidone
Isomalt (E953)
Flavouring (lemon)
Fatty acid mono- and diglycerides
Aspartame (E951)
Magnesium stearate
Sucrose
Gelatin
Soya bean oil, hydrogenated
Tocopherol
Maize starch



Vitamin D and related compounds (hydroxylated derivatives and glycosides) occur naturally in certain plants. The metabolism of vitamin D3 in Solanum malacoxylon Sendtn. is similar in certain respects to that in animal systems. There is also evidence that vitamin D3, plays a role in processes regulated by Ca2+ in plants. Vitamin D3 possesses plant growth substance activities and in particular enhances adventitious root formation.
Evidence that vitamin Ds could affect Ca2+ uptake was lacking for plants. For this reason, the radioisotope 45Ca2+ was employed to measure the uptake of calcium into shoots of micropropagated potato plantlets (Solanum tuberosum ‘Russet Burbank’) treated with nutrient solutions containing vitamin Ds (D2 or D3 at 0, 10, 25 or 50 mgL-1) and Ca (3, 5 or 15 mM). Vitamin Ds at 25 mgL-1 were most effective at improving 45Ca2+ uptake into plantlet shoots. At higher concentrations (50 mgL-1) vitamin D3 did not stimulate 45Ca2+ uptake beyond that achieved at 25 mgL-1 and D2 was inhibitory to uptake. It was evident from this study that vitamin Ds improved 45Ca2+ uptake into shoots of micropropagated potato plantlets and that D3 was more efficient in this capacity than D2 or a combination of D2 and D3. Vitamin Ds apparently play a similar role in both plants and animals by affecting Ca absorption and Ca-mediated cellular functions
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matthebrute said:
i have to agree with perkle on this one Ca is Ca and Mg is Mg. epsom salt is for human use as well thats why they sell it at pharmacy's

H2O is for human use and plants alike. if you have ever taken a basic chemistry class thats one of the first things they preach.
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this is ok for plants?
http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oGdUoEPxBPWkcAFXNXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE1bjh0bzd1BHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDNARjb2xvA3NrMQR2dGlkA1NNRTA4MV8yNTY-/SIG=13c55pr2q/EXP=1326493572/**http://www.hyperdrug.co.uk/Calcichew-D3-Forte-Chewable-Tablet-60pk/productinfo/CALCID36/

for human use only
 
perkele

perkele

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calcichew beside Ca has other things as well. There are 2 major types of vitamin D, one is ergocalciferol and the other one is cholecalciferol. Vitamin D is known for both, humans and plants to make the connection between the sun and the human/plant cell and to help Ca absorption.
Vitamin D and related compounds (hydroxylated derivatives and glycosides) occur naturally in certain plants. The metabolism of vitamin D3 in Solanum malacoxylon Sendtn. is similar in certain respects to that in animal systems. There is also evidence that vitamin D3, plays a role in processes regulated by Ca2+ in plants. Vitamin D3 possesses plant growth substance activities and in particular enhances adventitious root formation. So Calcichew might work for plants but...we have to consider the other additives in it that might do harm to the plant...so it's better to be safe then sorry. One thing we can do for sure, if you are living in a country where you can buy Calcium(pure) or Calcium Lactate from pharmacy, without a prescription, even if it is for humans in a pill form, you can give it to the plants as well cause it contains only the active substance (Ca) nothing else added like in the Calcichew case.
This is some quick explanation:
"Evidence that vitamin Ds could affect Ca2+ uptake was lacking for plants. For this reason, the radioisotope 45Ca2+ was employed to measure the uptake of calcium into shoots of micropropagated potato plantlets (Solanum tuberosum ‘Russet Burbank’) treated with nutrient solutions containing vitamin Ds (D2 or D3 at 0, 10, 25 or 50 mgL-1) and Ca (3, 5 or 15 mM). Vitamin Ds at 25 mgL-1 were most effective at improving 45Ca2+ uptake into plantlet shoots. At higher concentrations (50 mgL-1) vitamin D3 did not stimulate 45Ca2+ uptake beyond that achieved at 25 mgL-1 and D2 was inhibitory to uptake. It was evident from this study that vitamin Ds improved 45Ca2+ uptake into shoots of micropropagated potato plantlets and that D3 was more efficient in this capacity than D2 or a combination of D2 and D3. Vitamin Ds apparently play a similar role in both plants and animals by affecting Ca absorption and Ca-mediated cellular functions."

But anyways...good news, I found the magic salt. Epsom is her name ;) so next time I'll water, I'll give her some and with the rest...a well deserved bath, I read that has some relaxing effects for the muscles and good for the hair as well. :peace:
 
mistyriffs

mistyriffs

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perkele said:
Yea, called Calcichew D3 Forte. This is a list of what it contains:
Sorbitol E420
Povidone
Isomalt (E953)
Flavouring (lemon)
Fatty acid mono- and diglycerides
Aspartame (E951)
Magnesium stearate
Sucrose
Gelatin
Soya bean oil, hydrogenated
Tocopherol
Maize starch



Vitamin D and related compounds (hydroxylated derivatives and glycosides) occur naturally in certain plants. The metabolism of vitamin D3 in Solanum malacoxylon Sendtn. is similar in certain respects to that in animal systems. There is also evidence that vitamin D3, plays a role in processes regulated by Ca2+ in plants. Vitamin D3 possesses plant growth substance activities and in particular enhances adventitious root formation.
Evidence that vitamin Ds could affect Ca2+ uptake was lacking for plants. For this reason, the radioisotope 45Ca2+ was employed to measure the uptake of calcium into shoots of micropropagated potato plantlets (Solanum tuberosum ‘Russet Burbank’) treated with nutrient solutions containing vitamin Ds (D2 or D3 at 0, 10, 25 or 50 mgL-1) and Ca (3, 5 or 15 mM). Vitamin Ds at 25 mgL-1 were most effective at improving 45Ca2+ uptake into plantlet shoots. At higher concentrations (50 mgL-1) vitamin D3 did not stimulate 45Ca2+ uptake beyond that achieved at 25 mgL-1 and D2 was inhibitory to uptake. It was evident from this study that vitamin Ds improved 45Ca2+ uptake into shoots of micropropagated potato plantlets and that D3 was more efficient in this capacity than D2 or a combination of D2 and D3. Vitamin Ds apparently play a similar role in both plants and animals by affecting Ca absorption and Ca-mediated cellular functions
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nice research. must spread rep around before giving it to perkele again
 
mistyriffs

mistyriffs

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perkele said:
But anyways...good news, I found the magic salt. Epsom is her name ;) so next time I'll water, I'll give her some and with the rest...a well deserved bath, I read that has some relaxing effects for the muscles and good for the hair as well. :peace:
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lol everybody wins!!
 
perkele

perkele

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Day 74 with 25 into flowering. The plant looks well, the top leaves are erect so from what I know that's a good sign. Smells good. Now we are waiting for the watering day next week to give her some epsom salt and nutrients.
 
perkele

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matthebrute

matthebrute

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is it spreading really fast? i dunno if it dosent seem to be spreading fast i wouldnt put too much concern on it, obviously if it looks like its going to become a issue then get it dealt with. you added the epsom salts already?
 
perkele

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matthebrute said:
is it spreading really fast? i dunno if it dosent seem to be spreading fast i wouldnt put too much concern on it, obviously if it looks like its going to become a issue then get it dealt with. you added the epsom salts already?
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no, it's not spreading fast, it's the same, no new modifications since I took the pics, but more likely if I will not do something soon, it will get worst. I am not able to give her the salt now cause I've just watered it 2 or 3 days ago and I don't want to overwater. I will add the salts next time I'll water, Wednesday or Thursday
 
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