Peer reviewed study: Pot = Heart Attacks

hanimmal

hanimmal

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Rob Roy said:
Yes. Ending forcible subsidies would be a good thing. Thanks for pointing that out.
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lol at being a broken clock that is right 2x a day.

Rob Roy said:
In an actual free market you can do that and you can use that money for your own interests or your own charitable ideas. In a coercion based government that will never happen.
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And you can also use that money to hurt others. It is a good think that we have rules to follow as a society.


Rob Roy said:
I am eating peppers and tomatoes from the garden tonight. Tomorrow I will give a hungry person a dozen eggs.
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Good for you. I don't have chickens, but I made some stuffed peppers last night with the stuff from my garden too. I will also just pay taxes and be happy that it is now going to things like helping cut child poverty in half in our country, and hope that the current batch of Republicans get voted out of office and that we can have a lot more benefit from the dollars we collectively use as a nation to do great things.
 
Rob Roy

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hanimmal said:
And you can also use that money to hurt others.
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When it's taken under threat of force for noncompliance, you've already hurt someone.

Your default position that when government does that it's okay, but when / if you or I do it, it's not okay reveals the depth of your misunderstanding.
 
Porky1982

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hanimmal said:
I love how this thread turned into fat shaming.

Fat people are not passing a deadly disease onto other people.



It is a bummer then that the Republicans have been blocking child nutrition bills for decades while waging culture wars when the Democrats try to get healthy food introduced into kids daily diets.

Cheap high caloric food is far cheaper than healthy food. Also the availability of it is just messed up, you can't drive anywhere in this country without passing (many) somewhere(s) that you can get a couple thousand calories for a couple bucks. Hell filling up in a gas station you end up across from a fast food drive through and have all kinds of candy and other junk piled on the counter as you pay.

All of the susbsidizing of sugar and meat has flooded our nation with super cheap super unhealthy food.
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Spot on mate. Australia is following close behind you guys down exactly the same road!!
 
Fogdog

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Whelp that went downhill fast. A person posts some dubious but provocative articles regarding heart health and cannabis and you jump on the fat bashing bandwagon.

I mean, we all know that a good diet is necessary for our health but many people just can't.

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But the OP was not about healthy food choices, it was about some study that suggests cannabis might raise the chance of heart failure. I can understand why people might not WANT to believe that but deflecting to fat shaming is hardly a good response.

BTW, there is quite a bit of well done work that confirms the results of those studies. There are other articles that say cannabis can help heart patients too. There is room for discussion. Yet you jump to fat shaming.

Why is that?
 
UncleBuck

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Rob Roy said:
About a pound.
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Well thats what happens when you have to be removed from society for your crimes against 12 year olds, no matter how mature you deem them to be

I feel bad for your poor family who never asked to be associated with useless scum like you
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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UncleBuck said:
Well thats what happens when you have to be removed from society for your crimes against 12 year olds, no matter how mature you deem them to be

I feel bad for your poor family who never asked to be associated with useless scum like you
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Well thanks for feeling bad.

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smokinrav

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hanimmal said:
I don't see any list by you of society being hurt by fat people.


lol, are you for real? I would point out that fat people are far less likely to get injured while running in the snow, hiking, lifting weights, playing sports, on and on. Shit I even bet that the treatment for STD's is far less.

How many fat people have to get helicoptered off a mountain?

lol. Having a fat tattoo artist, equipment operator, programmer, or many other jobs who can't run a quarter mile is meaningless to their ability to contribute to our society.


So knee issues from people running, all those emergency room visits from sports related injuries and shit those are just fine. And old people getting to the end of their lives is significantly less than fat people having something they have to go to the hospital for? Are you saying that fat people are in the hospitals more than not fat people on average?

Because I call bullshit on being able to say that fat people costing our medical system more than not fat people.

Ive actually tried to find this kind of data that people like to pretend exists, but it is not out there.

I could buy an argument that fat people are in need of the hospitals earlier on average than healthy people, but I have yet to see anything on them being there more often during their lifetime.


You brought up schools not teaching 'english'.

How else is that meant?


lol at you saying I am shunning people for not being vaccinated. I am not. I am shunning' people for spreading bullshit propaganda causing people to radicalize against science and being healthy.

Good for you and those you care about and all those around you man.



Sweet troll, but I would also point to you just saying shit doesn't make it reality.
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From the CDC
National Estimated Costs of Obesity
Obesity-related medical care costs in the United States, in 2008 dollars, were an estimated $147 billion.15 Annual nationwide productivity costs of obesity-related absenteeism range between $3.38 billion ($79 per obese individual) and $6.38 billion ($132 per individual with obesity).16

www.cdc.gov

Adult Obesity

Causes and consequences of this complex health issue.
www.cdc.gov www.cdc.gov

I don't see any closer year to 2008, but you can bet its over $300 billion by now
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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smokinrav said:
From the CDC
National Estimated Costs of Obesity
Obesity-related medical care costs in the United States, in 2008 dollars, were an estimated $147 billion.15 Annual nationwide productivity costs of obesity-related absenteeism range between $3.38 billion ($79 per obese individual) and $6.38 billion ($132 per individual with obesity).16

www.cdc.gov

Adult Obesity

Causes and consequences of this complex health issue.
www.cdc.gov www.cdc.gov

I don't see any closer year to 2008, but you can bet its over $300 billion by now
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It would be nice to have lifetime data of obese vs non-obese people. The fuzziness of the numbers make it easy for people to think that there is some kind of difference in the costs for being fat and that it is easy to create stigmas because of this.

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It seems like a big number until you look at the total spending on healthcare. Which using your $300billion number is about 8% of the money we spend on healthcare as a nation going to caring for fat people.

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I am not convinced this is more than non obese people cost on average. I have looked for comparisons of the average lifetime medical costs associated with obesity, but have yet to find anything.

And as for the big number game to fat shame.

I would point to just collegiate and high school sports related injuries cost us $20 billion a year.

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And imagine adding in the costs of the weekend warriors who end up in the emergency room or the long term costs of those sports/ health activity injuries that show up in the long run. Not to mention the pro sports injuries. On and on.

I would love to see a comparison of all the costs of people who are 'healthy' to the economy vs fat people. Much less everyone else who is not 'fat' but also not healthy.
 
HGCC

HGCC

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nuskool89 said:
Personal responsibility and the effort one makes to educate themselves is a huge factor. The information is out there, and eating healthy is in fact cheaper than eating fast food every day

Your point about food being broken rings true though, as a similar scenario is playing out in Mexico. There is an epidemic of diabetes as the diet has rapidly changed in just two generations compared to what people ate for hundreds of years. Coca Cola is more common than water at the table there now
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Have you had a Mexican coke, that shits delish man!

We have overweight malnourished people. How the hell does that happen. One thing I like about cities (not all I guess) is how much more active your daily life is by default. You just end up walking a fuckload more and it translates to people being more fit in general. You don't drive right up, you have to park somewhere and walk, or take public transit and walk, etc.
 
nuskool89

nuskool89

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HGCC said:
Have you had a Mexican coke, that shits delish man!

We have overweight malnourished people. How the hell does that happen. One thing I like about cities (not all I guess) is how much more active your daily life is by default. You just end up walking a fuckload more and it translates to people being more fit in general. You don't drive right up, you have to park somewhere and walk, or take public transit and walk, etc.
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Oh, don’t get me wrong I indulge. I just try to be mindful of quantity as much as possible lol.

nothing like tacos al pastor and a coke on the street in Mexico City at 2 in the morning :)
 
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