P.P.P. x Blueberry x Sativa.(Full gro with pics)

sorry Nat...I certainly do not mean to be disrepectful of your observations and experience. I am glad that you have convinced yourself that seeing a whorled leaf repeat itself in a successive generation confirms that the gene for triploidy has been passed. I guess I am not at that same level of certainty. walk on! its all good.

natmoon said:

Yes i also heard that they hung the first guy that stated that the world was round but i can see with my own eyes that it is a passable gene

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tahoe58 said:

sorry Nat...I certainly do not mean to be disrepectful of your observations and experience. I am glad that you have convinced yourself that seeing a whorled leaf repeat itself in a successive generation confirms that the gene for triploidy has been passed. I guess I am not at that same level of certainty. walk on! its all good.

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No offense was taken mate once again text messages suck for conveying tone.
My point was just that many things are unknown about cannabis especially on the side of evolution and mutations and that many scientists have either speculated or only theorized about the whys and hows of this plant.
Even wikipedia states that much is still unknown about cannabis and its evolution and reproduction etc.

Take the original cheese for example,highly revered and kept secret and only available in clone form,for the real deal anyway.

Its also not a case of convincing myself that it is a triploid instead of being a whorled phyllotaxis or phyllotaxy it is a case of seeing a uniformed pattern through breeding into other strains that always stays the same.

Most whorled plants display all kinds of weirdness and oddities that change from one generation to the next i.e. whorling will produce random factors and different kinds of whorled patterns of leaf growth throughout further generations not just triploid.

I think you'll find that davinci said that plants do evolve to do this kind of thing to absorb more light and water.

What i am convinced of is that i can see uniformity from generation to generation.
If i am wrong time will tell in these further breedings and i will admit to it and post my findings with honesty.
I am not so proud as to not apologize when i am wrong or pretend that i was right when i am wrong.
You can rest assured that i will only post the truth as i see it and to the best of my knowledge and i am always open to debate on all of these matters.

We can never assume anything about cannabis and the fact that we have seriously bred this plant in all kinds of ways and shapes that is very unnatural,not to mention strains from all around the world that would have never been interbred,who knows what will come out.
I doubt that even god can know that.

I also notice that a guy sells his whorled/triploid plant seeds online for 20,000 dollars for 10 seeds.
You can rest assured that if i ever get to sell my seeds mine will be 1 pound each same as they were always going to be and the same as i paid for them when i first bought them.

I am not willing to accept that all triploids are non reproductive as all of their tests were done with chemically induced normal to triploid solutions and whorled plants and none of the circumstances or plants were natural triploids or even natural whorled plants.

Anyways as i said before you can rely on me to tell the truth about how they develop and study the pictures yourself to see how it develops.
If the triploid effect starts to change into a single stem as the plant matures i will concede that it is whorled as whorled plants always end up losing the three leaf patterns and returning to a single stem.

The male that i had did not revert to a single stem and i think that this new baby will also not revert to a single stem

hey Nat.....thanks.....I think I hear what your saying. And pardon me if I am continuing down a path that is a misinterpretation of what you are saying but.....I am interpreting that you have linked the expression of whorled leaves to triploidy. It was my understanding that any measure of n, 2n, 3n or 4n can only come from electron microspsy....and not the outward expression of any one particular gamete/gene? Or am I totally missing your point?

No your not missing my point at all.
As i previously said i have no scientific evidence and i have not had a electron microscopic procedure done on any of my plants to confirm or deny their triploid status.

ok.....thanks....it is a very interresting line of investigation.....and I have now peaked my interest to add this to my reading....I look forward to following your continued progrsss.

tahoe58 said:

ok.....thanks....it is a very interresting line of investigation.....and I have now peaked my interest to add this to my reading....I look forward to following your continued progrsss.

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I appreciate your questions and doubts and i have them also but i like to steer on the bright side and if the worst happens then ohh well kind of thing.
Even if i can get a whorled pattern to appear with a lot of uniformity and regularity in a breed this will be cool as three heads are better then one

oh totally, I agree.....and I understand that path.....it keeps things moving forward....and that is a good thing........no mater what the underlying aspects might or might not be....

OK just gave the plants their first haircut to allow good light penetration to all of my fimmed areas.
They will probably sulk for a day or two now but they will soon bounce back with many new tops.

I can now get some better pics of all the fimmed areas for you to look at.
Suspected triploid has not been fimmed but i have trimmed the top leaves of and bent the lower leaves down to achieve good light penetration.

One plant has produced 7 new tops from one fimm and the obvious 2 that grow from any kind of topping so 9 tops on one stem where there was previously only one.
I have marked them out with numbers as you can not see the back of the plant in a pic

Not much to report really.
Plants had their first haircut last night and they recovered in a matter of hours and not days which is good.

They are beginning to look like the fat stout bushes with many stems that i wanted them to be.
They look small now but in a couple of weeks,3 at the most i hope,they should be ready to be put into 12/12 after i do their final fimms in about 4 days time at the most.

If you only fimm once theres no reason to have to wait for so long but most of my plants have already been fimmed many times on every branch and node and will be done one more time each yet so they need recovery time and time for the new growth to appear.

Todays pics.

Hey nat....looking great man. And as always...GREAT pics

I look forward to watching those 5 heads develop!

SnowWhite said:

Hey nat....looking great man. And as always...GREAT pics

I look forward to watching those 5 heads develop!

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Thanks for taking a look snowwhite,appreciate it.
Hopefully those 5 will be 25 after the next fimm in a few days time

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh....too many heads......I'm scared! hahahahahahahahahaha

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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh....too many heads......I'm scared! hahahahahahahahahaha

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Yeah loads of heads
They have 2 more weeks now before i 12/12 them so i don't know if i will reach 50 tops in that timeframe or not but im not waiting any longer.
As long as its somewhere between 30 and 50 i will be happy.
Fimming a lot is great but it takes ages.

hey nat,,nice,,not only are you a wealth of knowledge,,but those are some lush looking plants man,,nice job,,how long have you been at it,,if ya don't mind me askin

Keep on Growin

HoLE

HoLE said:

hey nat,,nice,,not only are you a wealth of knowledge,,but those are some lush looking plants man,,nice job,,how long have you been at it,,if ya don't mind me askin

Keep om Growin

HoLE

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I dont know much about technical stuff to be honest but i been growing hippie stylefor a long time.

I was trained as a child and paid for catching frogs and spiders for makeshift bluecoalbag greenhouses.
I am 35 now and i started when i was 7.

Theres still much i don't know though and i love to look at everyone else's pics and info to.
I just try to give the best advice i can to my knowledge base.

Thanks for stopping in hole your support is appreciated

These pics show how fast the fimmed areas grow back when the plant is very young.
These are now 30 days old from seed and if you dont fimm them and trim them they grow straight up a lot quicker and taller,but this is not what i want.
I want them short and fat with many tops.
Takes longer but yields much more and also will allow me to take the outer tops of each plant earlier for a more up high,then i will take the inner tops a week later and then the most inner middle tops a week or 2 later for a super stoney smoke.
Period of darkness at the end will only be used on the stoney smoke inner buds

hey Nat. as always, cool clear and instructive pics! your specific technique is something that you have developed and refined over time with practice? looks great....thanks for the update!

Thanks for stopping in tahoe your always welcome.

What are your opinions on young cannabis plants looking asimilar to young spiders?
Do you think they know/have evolved to attract them so that spiders will protect them from bugs and moths,butterfly's etc. and that this shape encourages and attracts spiders to lay their eggs on them in the wild?

This is something that i believe but also have no proof or evidence of and i like to hear other opinions.

Thanks for stopping in tahoe your always welcome.

What are your opinions on young cannabis plants looking asimilar to young spiders?
Do you think they know/have evolved to attract them so that spiders will protect them from bugs and moths,butterfly's etc. and that this shape encourages and attracts spiders to lay their eggs/nest/eggsack home??? on them in the wild?

This is something that i believe but also have no proof or evidence of and i like to hear other opinions.