(P) and (K) In roots organic soil

dubcoastOGs said:

Those deficiencies your seeing are a result of the nutrient lockout. Too much of one thing was, or not enough of something causes other micros or macros to lockout. You can't just add nutrients at this point. As that just throws off the ratios even more, and furthers the lockout - nutrients are not available. It's not that they're not there

If it was truly planted in RO dirt, and watered with reverse osmosis water, you shouldn't need to do anything else but just keep feeding It water. I'd use a little cal mag though.

i think there's more to the story though. It just looks like he hit the clones with full strength Nute solution in tapwater.

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I'll preface what I'm about to say with this: I use an RO unit. So I'm not necessarily on board the tap water bandwagon. BUT, I think you're over-stating things a bit here and you are making a blanket statement that will not hold true for everyone. First off, not all tap water is created equally. Some cities are bad, others aren't. The only way to know is to get a copy of your cities water analysis and see for yourself. Second, the harmful items we are talking about are expressed in parts per MILLION, and in most cases parts per BILLION, so it's typically a very minuscule amount to begin with. Chlorine easily dissipates from water in a short period of time, and a teaspoon of an organic item like molasses will neutralize chloramine very effectively.

I still use my RO unit, but when it takes a shit I will happily water my organic girls with tap water. There are people that have forgotten more about gardening than you and I will ever know that use tap water with brilliant results.

I agree. Tap water varies. I'm not applying a golden rule here. But as a general rule, as you obviously know, it's just better to avoid tap water for all of the reasons already stated in this thread.

Ya, that makes since about the rain water pollutants. I'd be willing to bet that you'd find whole host of other varying pollutants in rain water depending on where you live too. I kinda never thought about it until now, and considering all the outdoor covert chemical and biological testing conducted around the world (mostly in the US), rain water might not be as good a choice as I first thought. You guys ever heard of chem trails, lol. I take the rain water comment back lol. I think Rrog uses rain water though, so maybe it ain't that bad. I guess it does really depend on where you live though.

Yup to this ^.

It's all relative, check your municipality's lab results. My municipal water is sourced from Sierra snowmelt; it comes out of the tap at a cool 30 ppm (and tastes delicious). Yes, it has chloramines added, but my Small Boy filter takes care of that for me (upgraded catalytic carbon).

Not everyone is so lucky. That's why you have to check.

SpicySativa said:

Yup to this ^.

It's all relative, check your municipality's lab results. My municipal water is sourced from Sierra snowmelt; it comes out of the tap at a cool 30 ppm (and tastes delicious). Yes, it has chloramines added, but my Small Boy filter takes care of that for me (upgraded catalytic carbon).

Not everyone is so lucky. That's why you have to check.

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oh man, I wish I had tap water that nice. Next to the coast in Cali. It comes out anywhere from 450-500 ppm. They're maxed out in what they are allowed to put in there - Across the board.

My RO filter brings it down to a nice 9 ppm

I live next to the coast in CA, too. Good ol' Hetch Hetchy water.

I use RO water cause I live in orange county California and my water is horrible. Also I havent fed with anything except like 1-2ml of silica to raise the ph one of the feedings, other than that just pure ph'ed RO water. I've got my light a little over 3 feet now think that should be good, or should I go higher? Also would 18/6 be better, because its gon na be like 90 where I live in a couple days so I don't want the temps in the room to get that hot, so I was thinking I could just have the dark period during the heat of the day, cause without the light on my garage will stay cool.

If that's a 1000 watt HPS, I'd get it more like 5 feet above the plants until they start showing healthier growth. Baby steps...

Next time, try this mix for your freshly rooted clones:

1 part peat moss
1 part worm castings
1 part pumice or perlite

To that, add:
1 tablespoon of kelp per gallon
1 tablespoon of dolomite lime per gallon

Ideally, you want to moisten that down and let it sit for a while, but it works just fine mixed up on the fly. It's very mild, but has PLENTY of nutrition to get them started in a 1-quart pot. After they root out the 1-quart pot, they should be about ready for whatever soil you want to put them in.

SpicySativa said:

I live next to the coast in CA, too. Good ol' Hetch Hetchy water.

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I'm super jelly

The thing about these clones is there not really newly rooted they came in huge rock wool cubes that barely fit in the cup, and they all had lots of roots coming out of the bottom

BUDies said:

The thing about these clones is there not really newly rooted they came in huge rock wool cubes that barely fit in the cup, and they all had lots of roots coming out of the bottom

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Exactly. They barely fit in the cup. They need to go in to a larger container. Those plants are WAY too big for a solo cup.

Another problem in facing, some of them are half the size of others... I figured keeping them in th cup would let the smaller ones catch up while not letting the big one get any bigger. And they've only been in the cup for 6 days.

BUDies said:

Another problem in facing, some of them are half the size of others... I figured keeping them in th cup would let the smaller ones catch up while not letting the big one get any bigger. And they've only been in the cup for 6 days.

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When you put them in to larger containers, bury the trunk of the taller ones a little deeper. You will create an even canopy this way.

1) Get them in to larger containers

2) Plain water

3) Don't put them too close to the light until they have recovered.

I promise you that they will bounce back if you do that

I'm not gonna be able to get to the hydro store till tomorrow or the next day but I'll definitely have them transplanted by Wednesday. And I have the light a little over 4 feet away now. Also I asked this question before but don't think I got a response, can I use a Vicks steamer in my grow room to raise humidity? Or is the steam bad for the plants.

Yes, I'd think that the steamer/humidifier would be fine as long as it isn't blowing directly on the plants.

BUDies said:

I'm not gonna be able to get to the hydro store till tomorrow or the next day but I'll definitely have them transplanted by Wednesday. And I have the light a little over 4 feet away now. Also I asked this question before but don't think I got a response, can I use a Vicks steamer in my grow room to raise humidity? Or is the steam bad for the plants.

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Steamer should be fine, just watch your temps. The "warm mist" type actually produces quite a bit of heat.

Okay so I'm gonna transplant today, just watered a couple this morning an I looked through them all and every single plant has roots coming out the runoff holes I made. Someone in this thread said they thought I was overwatering, how dry should I let them get before I water again? I generally go by weight, and I usually water when the soil is still just the slightest bit moist towards the middle, an completely dry on top. Should I be waiting until they get completely dry and I start seeing bottom leaves droop to water?

I'd wait until they were completely dry. And when you transplant, choose a container that isn't quite as tall. Wider is better to avoid just such a scenario where the top is dry but the soil is still moist/wet halfway down. My rule of thumb is no more than 1.5 times as tall as the width. Party cups aren't really the greatest of containers, even tho I've used 'em in a pinch many times before as have many others.

I'm just getting ready to transplant now. Putting all 9 in short and wide 3 gal smart pots. You guys sure I should be transplanting after only having them on k cups for 5 days? I just feel like I should wait longer

Just finished transplanting. But now it's hitting me... Since they were gettin burnt shouldn't I have waited to transplanted because aren't they just going to get way more burnt now? Can't believe I didn't think about this before