God's Balls
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Uranium is organic. So is arsenic. Drink up!
Organics ARE chemicals
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doc111
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Not all steroids are synthetic. Your body actually makes several different steroids. The point I was trying to make (unsuccessfully I guess) was that the steroids themselves are not dangerous. It's how they are used and the doseage that becomes a problem over prolonged use. It has nothing to do with the fact that they are synthetic or natural. Naturally produced steroids can be just as dangerous as synthetic steroids if misused. This holds true for nearly every substance. That's the only point I was trying to make.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steroid_hormone
Used properly, chemical nutes are not necessarily unsafe and plants don't suck everything up.
doc111
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No they are not!
http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/organic
http://education.yahoo.com/reference/encyclopedia/entry?id=35211
Neither organic production nor organic chemistry would define either of those elements as organic.
Matt Rize
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Thanks. You would think they would possess at the very least a basic college level understanding of the elements before posting.Neither organic production nor organic chemistry would define either of those elements as organic.
Organic in chemistry is a completely different concept than organic in gardening. Lets get that straight right here.
Organic in chemistry refers to molecules and compounds that contain Carbon. Period.
Organic in gardening is a complex idea that OMRI has attempted to define as "95% organic according to OMRI standards"
But in reality, organic in gardening means natural products from natural sources.
doc111
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That's why I put both definitions up so there was no confusion. lol! No matter how you define "organic", arsenic and uranium don't fit any definition of "organic". BTW, carbonates are one of the exceptions to the "organic" molecule rule.
God's Balls
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Yep. You think I would. But I didn't, so there.
That's what I was playing with, the idea that uranium/arsenic both occur naturally. Sorry to ruin your lesson plan.
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
touche, there are always exceptions, i should not have been so simple in my explanation. thanks again. a professor and a doctorThat's why I put both definitions up so there was no confusion. lol! No matter how you define "organic", arsenic and uranium don't fit any definition of "organic". BTW, carbonates are one of the exceptions to the "organic" molecule rule.
God's Balls
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There ARE always exceptions. Thanks again, a paid writer.touche, there is always exceptions, i should not have been so simple in my explanation. thanks again. a professor and a doctor
doc111
Well-Known Member
I'm just giving you shit bro. lol! God's Balls does bring up a really good point that I was trying to illustrate. Arsenic and Uranium are both relatively dangerous naturally occurring elements. Although to further go into the rabbit hole, most biochemists accept that arsenic is actually needed in miniscule quantities. Who'd a' thunk?touche, there is always exceptions, i should not have been so simple in my explanation. thanks again. a professor and a doctor
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
And to continue your lesson. In the Cannabis gardening world "organic" has multiple meanings. Old school organics refers to growing in a soil with natural amendments, using teas to unlock the soil food web. New school organics refers to soil-less and hydro organics, which boils down to certified organic products. This refers to peat, coco, and/or bark based media, with or without natural amendments, bottled/packaged plant/animal derived food, and teas.
Matt Rize
Hashmaster
thanks, writer who pays an editor...There ARE always exceptions. Thanks again, a paid writer.
God's Balls
Active Member
For sure, for sure. At the dispensary I hear alot of questions about just how "organic" the meds really are. But you figure, some hydro nutes fly the organic flag--yet are labeled so on just a small corner of the packaging. (PureBlendPro) So stands to reason there's also alot of kids working "organic" that don't even realize it. On the other hand, my pal goes down to the bait shop and gets dead minnows for free. Tosses them right in the soil.
God's Balls
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I'll never admit to using Auto-Tune, hahaha. Besides, professor, my idea behind college was to STAY finished.
DownOnWax
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WTF?No they are not!
http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/organic
http://education.yahoo.com/reference/encyclopedia/entry?id=35211
Neither organic production nor organic chemistry would define either of those elements as organic.
All you do is quote Wikipedia and Yahoo!
These sites you use as reference are in NO WAY the definitive answer.
Hopefully one of these days you will come up with your own ideas and thought process, until then...
How do you like them apples?
Kphlash
Member
Apparently my try at a simple analogy was taken too literally. Lets go to the food version, they (natural or synthetic derived) additives, growth hormones, saline solutions, etc. they shoot into chicken, spray on crops etc. is the stuff they have finally linked to so many birth defects and general health problems. So my whole argument is how can people not see that additives and synthetics being added to your smokable fruit is no different than spray or shooting it into your food. Not to say i wont use them on occasion, but i eat processed food on occasion too, i just feel like shit afterward, i'm assuming my plants do too, compared to an all natural, healthy diet.
This is all potato/pota'to crap from a troll coming into an organic section and starting shit. It is all semantics, but when it all comes down to it, nothing synthetic has ever been as good as something natural. Period. If it was never in soil outdoors, or is not produced naturally by organisms in the soil, i dont think it should go into the soil indoors.
Now we can get into the differences from soils around the world and the compounds and all that, like id love to see some Hawaiian lava ash in my soil, or see what lion or hyena shit does to the soil in africa compared to the animals and fruit here. Thats always been my biggest wonder and variable-with the million different compounds from all the soils around the world, which is the best combo? Plant material, decomposed flesh n bone, fruit and bug decomp, the silt from bottom of lake or river beds (egypt did it with the nile). All these things are much more complex than we have had time to figure out, and lets face it, we cannot even try to say that we have successfully manipulated the outdoor environment indoors, otherwise id have a jungle in my house like i do outside.
This is all potato/pota'to crap from a troll coming into an organic section and starting shit. It is all semantics, but when it all comes down to it, nothing synthetic has ever been as good as something natural. Period. If it was never in soil outdoors, or is not produced naturally by organisms in the soil, i dont think it should go into the soil indoors.
Now we can get into the differences from soils around the world and the compounds and all that, like id love to see some Hawaiian lava ash in my soil, or see what lion or hyena shit does to the soil in africa compared to the animals and fruit here. Thats always been my biggest wonder and variable-with the million different compounds from all the soils around the world, which is the best combo? Plant material, decomposed flesh n bone, fruit and bug decomp, the silt from bottom of lake or river beds (egypt did it with the nile). All these things are much more complex than we have had time to figure out, and lets face it, we cannot even try to say that we have successfully manipulated the outdoor environment indoors, otherwise id have a jungle in my house like i do outside.
doc111
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Right!!!!!! It's Mr. "Sodium".
Since you have trouble retaining or comprehending, I'll say it again, I always fact check any link I put up. If I don't get at least one corroborating (It's a big word, I know) source, I won't put the link up. If you can show me one thing wrong with any of my links I will gladly take it down. I put up links from credible sources (which I have personally fact checked) to back up what I say. If that's a bad thing then so be it. I have a master's degree in chemistry so I think I know what I'm talking about here, but unlike some folks who just spout bullshit, I actually back up what I say. Keep on trolling.
DownOnWax
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Dude, you don't check shit!
You quote Bullshit sites and say it over and over until you believe it's true.
You tried to tell me that "Sodium has NOTHING to do with salt"
OK then why is the chemical compound of Salt: SODIUM Chloride????
Fact checking a bullshit sites with another Bullshit site does NOT make you right
You quote Bullshit sites and say it over and over until you believe it's true.
You tried to tell me that "Sodium has NOTHING to do with salt"
OK then why is the chemical compound of Salt: SODIUM Chloride????
Fact checking a bullshit sites with another Bullshit site does NOT make you right