Organic Growing Made Easy & Fox Farms Ocean Forest!

Sincerely420 said:

Hell yeah I started out just trying some of this and some of that after learning what everything did(like brew fungi or bacteria).
The more I started reading the more I started trying things.
If you give your plants something they don't like they'll tell you within a day or two I feel like.
Likewise, if you give them something they like, they'll show you with a nice green color and nice growth..

Any say the give you a recipe to brew 50 gals and you wanna brew 5 gals or even 1 like I do, you can just scale their recipes down to fit you needs.
The more you read the more it'll click bro. There was a time when I was looking at all this like japanese lol.
Seems like that was yesterday lol

And as far as the tea brewers and measuring shit in the lab lol, a lot of that I feel like is ppl trying to sell their products.
You can look at your plants and see whether or not if what you're doing is working ya know.

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I can dig it basically it's cause and affect the way I want to go about it is kinda what your doing now for your next set-up. Which is to build the soil up first so you only need to water simple and less problematic IMO to go about it like that but some TEA never hurt nobody

Hell yeah bro. The plants produces fluids from their roots called exudates which signal to microbes what nutes they want!
So I set everything up so that the plants and the soil can politic healthily lol!
No nutes needed just a tea from time to time!

I'm gonna give one of my plants tea for every watering, one plant no tea and give the rest tea sometimes and see how they all respond!
Since you been following me you prob see that I've tried almost everything once already lol!
I think it's a good idea to experiment much as possible so that you get all the different experience as fast as possible ya know?!

My first grow I focused on the soil and plant training/growth manipulation and I feel I got both down pact, so next grow i'll focus on AACTs more closely and cloning!
Little by little til I got it all on smash boss!

#KnowledgeIsPower
@Cannabication

My compost bin is filled - and sitting out! Now to light one up and let time fly by for 8-12wks.. I wont accept anything less than GOLD!

Very nice bro! Do NOT settle for anything less than gold lol!
Push it to the limit

Thanks dewd. Tmrw morning I'm going to hit up that Red Wiggler place and grab some w0rms. Did u start ur farm yet?

I got a 32gal trash can from Walmart in the garden section. It has a twist-lock-able lid. I drilled holes all on the side and top . Makes it easy to roll to get a good mix going on - & it was cheap!!!

What are you doing for a worm bin brother?

Nice idea for the worm farm boss!! Gotta post that for sure and let me know how it works for ya.
But if you look at the last page of my other thread in the sig, you'll see the worm bin that I'll go ahead and order tomorrow.

I was gonna go DIY and just make one but I figured I'd treat myself haha! The first of many to come given that I'm not paying for smoke anymore!
But I found and $80.00 w/free shipping on Amazon that I'll go ahead and buy. $80 is a Q of weed lol. That's like 4 days smoke for me haha!
Now that I ain't kickin' out that $80.00, I'll go ahead and start putting back into the Op!
And I've found a place locally to get red wigglers, so that's nothing but a trip to the store!
The worm bin will be 2 days after I order it tho due to Amazon Prime!

Gotta love Amazon Prime!

Amazon shits on eBay with the shipping. Big time!

That's sick man. I like DIY's.. Gives me something to do! And bragging rights! Lol..

Red Wigglers are like 45mins away from me C_C . I gave up trying to dig them up. My back yard has holes all over it randomly from trying. Lol

Yeah dude.

I'm excited to get good compost. AND Castings!

Hell yeah bro! I'm excited for ya!
And in regards to the shipping, eBay has nada on Amazon I agree haha!
Keep me posted for sure bro

http://www.homesessive.com/view/unexpected-items-you-shouldnt-throw-away?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl18|sec3_lnk2&pLid=290551

Check it out!

Hey S420 how much does your local shop get for FFOF?

$22 for the big bag bro(1.5cu ft.). You get 2.5 cu ft. of the Happy Frog for the same price!

Not gonna need to buy anymore for a while tho boss! Straight recycling it ALL!

I know it's cheaper some places but I can't complain about the price lol. Not even!
What you get it for?

I think my local place is 15 bucks?

I was curious because I thought I found a good deal online but it turns out it was the 12 quart bags lol. I hope the recycling works out great for you.

Lol yeah....No! That's no bueno! You dont have a local place to score it?

They have that bio terra plus as well! That canna "specific" mix! Didn't pick it up tho because its coir based, but is good to know from a "veganic" standpoint. But right now bro, im MAX content with my white organic ashes!

And thx brother

Moment of truth coming up soon! I'm not sweating tho lol!

Sincerely420 said:

Lol yeah....No! That's no bueno! You dont have a local place to score it?

They have that bio terra plus as well! That canna "specific" mix! Didn't pick it up tho because its coir based, but is good to know from a "veganic" standpoint. But right now bro, im MAX content with my white organic ashes!

And thx brother

Moment of truth coming up soon! I'm not sweating tho lol!

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Yep I have a local vendor and they're cheap. I stumbled upon what I thought was a good deal and it turns out notsomuch. I think I'm aiming for a really diverse soil mix this time. I have so many ideas its hard to decide what to do lol. I have a lot on hand that id like to get rid of.

I was thinking a blend of several different soils and composted manures. Then add my choice of amendments for macros and micros. PS I ordered 20 lbs of tomato tone! Not sure if I will use it in the mix or just as a dressing just yet though.

Nice! And awesome homie in regards to the Tomato tone! It's def. a GREAT choice for an amendment and is de. a step in the right direction when you wanna go with diversity haha! Look at the label on that stuff! Like 5 different kinda meals in it and some micros!
I'd pulverized it(make it more powdery) and add it to the soil and let the microbes get at it bro!
Topdressing is effective but not as effective as an AACT! Takes a couple weeks to a cuple months for a top dressing t do its do..
Some work faster than others depending on the amendment used yo topdress, but none instant like AACTs....But maybe EWCS...

And I think that the Fox Farms Oceans Forest is another step in that direction bro! Which is why I chose to start with it!
It is ABSOLUTELY LOADED with amendments bro! All sorts of things that a good soil mix asks for, and that weed loves!

I feel like mixing a lot of different soils could help add some diversity, but IDK how much!
I haven't found a ready made soil with as much as FFOF has within, other than subs supersoil haha! And damn if that mix ain't LOADED!
And I'd hit whodat up too bro! He mixed a lot of different shits(manures) together in his latest mix lol! Also quite a bit of amendments....Prob moreso than in supersoil lol!

But I told you I went with as little as possible to add as much to the soil as I can! Kelp Meal and Tomato Tone are two amendments that I think would take you from start to finish with the addition of a little mycos! Kelp is full of growth horomones and micros. The tomato tone and soil cover the big 3(npk)
I added the Hi-P Bat Guano just to sure up the P part of things, and add thoes valuable nematicides to the soil that the guano brings!
Adding compost to the mix introduces tho microbes that turn the amendments into nutrients, so don't forget to add that in your next mix, as well as some EWCs giving their N fixing properties!

What kinda different soils you thinking bout mixing bro?

Morning! I've been following whoD for awhile. He's one of the best growers on this site IMO.


I'm considering this.

1 bale of pro-mix BX = 3.8 cu ft
2 bags FFOF = 3 cu ft
1 bag roots organics = 1.5 cu ft
Total of 12 cu feet

That's the base im considering plus another another dozen or so additives including compost mix from kelp 4 less and 50-75 lbs of castings.

For bag soil I really prefer Roots over FFOF but Im leaning towards a lighter base this time. Roots is coco based and ffof is peat and hummus based which makes it much lighter. The main thing I don't like about subs mix is the density.

Looks good to me bro as far as the base goes! Def. will stretch a LONGGGGGGGG way especially when you add more EWCs and some compost maybe.

One thing I've learned tho, is that compost/humus based soils are much more forgiving than coir based soil simply because they have a higher CEC(cation exchange capacity), so they retain more or everything, and buffer the pH a better...
That's why ONLY reason I went with FFOF over Fox Farm Happy Frog as a novice!! Not I consider myself an amateur on the come up haha!

Ans sucks for the super soil as far as it being too dense. Just looking at the recipe for the mix, it's SOOOOO damn nutrient rich that it almost seems like too much is added to it!!!!
But yeah, everything sounds good boss! For 12 cu ft. of soil, you should need to add anywhere from 36-48cups of amendments in total. That not including your EWCs and compost! Just mineral and nutritional amendments!

I'd say do some diggin on Kelp Meal or hit @cannabication up and look for the little power point presentation I made to help me learn what my nutes do/how they work! Kelp meal can be used in the soil double time( added in two separate parts for mineral and nutritional purposes)!
The tomato tone will suit you for sure and then maybe add something with a bit more P, and don't FORGET THE MYCOS!!!!

They don't do much or really anything when you amend the soil with them as they need roots to do their do...But they will remain in the soil as dormant spores...
I think, in fact I know you're gonna be good man...Just a lil back tracking for you and bada bing bada boom! Back to your Jordan-esqe ways haha!

Just hit the lasses with what should be their last or maybe second to last AACT tho, and they're looking so damn good man. Nice and green and chunked up in ALL the right places hahah!

But lastly bro...As you've seen with this crop lol, and the 3 harvested, other than the molasses OD I haven't had one problem!
So with that said, I wouldn't hesitate to jump on my simple mix and see how it works for ya boss!
I'll be tweaking my mix ONLY the slightest from time to time to see what I can do better, but I think I got lucky and got really close the first mix, so the second mix just did it on em lol

Boy I wish this was like the matrix and I could "download" all this info... Next best thing is using good ol fashion eyeballs lol. My old neighbor was a speed reader, he described it as reading four lines each time he goes across. wow.

Shwagbag said:

Morning! I've been following whoD for awhile. He's one of the best growers on this site IMO.


I'm considering this.

1 bale of pro-mix BX = 3.8 cu ft
2 bags FFOF = 3 cu ft
1 bag roots organics = 1.5 cu ft
Total of 12 cu feet

That's the base im considering plus another another dozen or so additives including compost mix from kelp 4 less and 50-75 lbs of castings.

For bag soil I really prefer Roots over FFOF but Im leaning towards a lighter base this time. Roots is coco based and ffof is peat and hummus based which makes it much lighter. The main thing I don't like about subs mix is the density.

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well you have the best av on all of RIU how about that!

That mix sounds like an awesome base. Diversity is VERY important to getting the highest quality product. Microbes with a more divers diet will help the plant gain more complex flavors and smells. Diversity diversity diversity, the key to any successful ecosystem.





^^^ oh about the hair, I cut this mop off my head the other day and tossed it into the compost lol been doing it. Anything that nots dairy/meat or heavily seasoned food (boiled crawfish/shrimp remains) gets thrown into the compost pile,,, and of course the usual no cat, dog, or human shit either.




All this info is making my head spin! I wouldn't want it any other way though! Mucho thanks for posting all of these wonderful screenshots! I'm gonna get to you soon enough lol.... maybe right after this bowl




Edit: Id also like to let you know Iv done crops where tea was used for EVERY watering,,, they were on the verg of flipping out of their containers by harvest (hanging like crazy)

True about that ass lol! And cheers bro!

All I do is read the stuff I got over and over again until I know it lol.
I test myself every once in a while by going on sprees answering questions lol or adding anything useful that I've learned!
It feels good to be putting all this work in and watching it come to fruit right?!
And makes me wonder how ppl could EVER fail if they started with a good soil!

And no doubt about trying to share it all bro. If it works for me then it should work for the next person just as well.
All the screenshots are from the Cannabication archive lol. I'm in that matrix "downloading" everything lol.
Literally can't get enough bro

And I noticed you went hard and heavy with the AACTs to great success.
Saw that right away!
I been going almost as hard with much satisfaction!
I had planned to go a bit harder anyways, with teas during the next crop on a plant or two at first, but your thread solidified that for all my next gen bro! So thanks again for just being a step ahead and sharing.

Oh yeah, and what do you think about the way swag bag is brewing his teas?
Said he's been having some issues with his girls and I think it could be the teas he's brewing...
maybe you're the missing piece to the puzzle lol

And lastly, that compost tea manual is where its at bro! Lots of good info abound!
Woke up....hit a j of white widow/bubble gum/blue widow and now I'm about to go to sleep in the clouds haha


#tillthenexttime

my current recipe:
6 parts FFOF
3 happy frog
2 pro-mix BX
3 large perlite
1 dry coco coir (2 when wet)
1 worm casting
1tbs azomite


It seems to be working super good.