One man and his bush - 1 plant SCROG in Stealth Cab - Chocolate Berry

machnak said:

Delicious

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Ooooh yes

maariic said:

This is sick. I am impressed with these plant grows that look like whole garden has been pressed in one cab. Very nice! Check out my thread later. I am still updating it but there will be post about DIY cool tube A-Z

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Yeh man, make the most of ur space! I'll be over in ur thread in a bit, DIY is the way forward, with the exception of ballasts! Unless u know what ur doing.

ҖҗlegilizeitҗҖ;6693372 said:

woah, are your leafs edges flat? thats wierd

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They've been trimmed due to the yellowing! Surely u didn't think they actually grew naturally like that, biologically that would make no sense i swear

that is a flat plane of pure buds... you are in for a lot of weed.

it would be interesting to see if, low stress training was applied to all of a plants descendants from seed and whether a plant would naturally start growing like it.

lilindian said:

They've been trimmed due to the yellowing! Surely u didn't think they actually grew naturally like that, biologically that would make no sense i swear

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lol not the tips but the edges did you trim them flat instead of the pointy edges usually?

ҖҗlegilizeitҗҖ;6693607 said:

lol not the tips but the edges did you trim them flatView attachment 1908302 instead of the pointy edges usuallyView attachment 1908299?

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Oh i seeeee! My bad, apologies.

Yeh urm, i dunno! Looks strange in the pic, i'm wondering why i havn't picked up on it before.... I'll have a look next time i open the doors and get back to u on that one. Don't like opening doors more than i have to at the moment due to flies flying out into my room and the UV light.
Something strange i did notice during veg which i'm sure i've never mentioned in this journal is that quite a few leaves were in perfect health, perfect shape, good size, all except one blade.... and it was always the same blade in all effected leaves. This one blade was small and shrivelled up, like how whole leaves go when they dry out. I put it down to F1 abnormalities at the time

crazymanny00 said:

that is a flat plane of pure buds... you are in for a lot of weed.

it would be interesting to see if, low stress training was applied to all of a plants descendants from seed and whether a plant would naturally start growing like it.

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Thanks man, i have to agree with u on that one.

Plants grow in their weird and wonderful ways completely due to environments, i.e. how they always grow towards a light, and how roots grow out in search of water. I dont think extended LST'ing for hundreds of generations would change this. But hey, what do i know, according to RIU i'm just a stoner!

lilindian said:

Thanks man, i have to agree with u on that one.

Plants grow in their weird and wonderful ways completely due to environments, i.e. how they always grow towards a light, and how roots grow out in search of water. I dont think extended LST'ing for hundreds of generations would change this. But hey, what do i know, according to RIU i'm just a stoner!

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I am toker that is sitting without weed Check my thread now. I've finished the DIY post.

lilindian said:

Oh i seeeee! My bad, apologies.

Yeh urm, i dunno! Looks strange in the pic, i'm wondering why i havn't picked up on it before.... I'll have a look next time i open the doors and get back to u on that one. Don't like opening doors more than i have to at the moment due to flies flying out into my room and the UV light.
Something strange i did notice during veg which i'm sure i've never mentioned in this journal is that quite a few leaves were in perfect health, perfect shape, good size, all except one blade.... and it was always the same blade in all effected leaves. This one blade was small and shrivelled up, like how whole leaves go when they dry out. I put it down to F1 abnormalities at the time

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Duno why i didn't realise i could see the leaves in detail in the pics.....

I don't have a clue! Never had non-serrated leaves before... Can't be due to lighting stress, or environmental stress in general, i'm thinking either genetic mutation (but why all of a sudden in flowering and only a handful of leaves and not every one), or something to do with stressed roots for one reason or another.

If anyone has any knowledge on this subject, drop some! I've had a quick look and can't find anything close to a definite answer.

lilindian said:

Duno why i didn't realise i could see the leaves in detail in the pics.....

I don't have a clue! Never had non-serrated leaves before... Can't be due to lighting stress, or environmental stress in general, i'm thinking either genetic mutation (but why all of a sudden in flowering and only a handful of leaves and not every one), or something to do with stressed roots for one reason or another.

If anyone has any knowledge on this subject, drop some! I've had a quick look and can't find anything close to a definite answer.

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i WOULD put my money on mutations but that would mean it should of been like that its entire life but it used to be normal

ҖҗlegilizeitҗҖ;6694816 said:

i would put my money on mutations

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me 2, the only chocolate berry grow i've come across Eskobar was asking the grower if they had any weird leaf mutations so its half a confirmation

lilindian said:

me 2, the only chocolate berry grow i've come across Eskobar was asking the grower if they had any weird leaf mutations so its half a confirmation

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ya i did think mutation untill i checkd earlier posts and edited my first post, still a possibility its a mutation that comes out in flowering

I am not sure if you were able to deal with your gnat problem, but I noticed it was a recent post and wanted to share my experience...Any gnat can become a fungus gnat, like fungus gnats will move ot other areas of your house, thus becoming just gnats...Neem oil could be sprayed all over the grow space and not hurt the plant but also help get rid of the gnats, I would DE the top and neem oil everything else...if I am saying this and the problem has since been remedied sorry, I just didn't see anything that said the gnat invaders had been vanquished...

ҖҗlegilizeitҗҖ;6694851 said:

ya i did think mutation untill i checkd earlier posts and edited my first post, still a possibility its a mutation that comes out in flowering

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Agreed, maybe i'll see what good old Eskobar thinks

missnu said:

I am not sure if you were able to deal with your gnat problem, but I noticed it was a recent post and wanted to share my experience...Any gnat can become a fungus gnat, like fungus gnats will move ot other areas of your house, thus becoming just gnats...Neem oil could be sprayed all over the grow space and not hurt the plant but also help get rid of the gnats, I would DE the top and neem oil everything else...if I am saying this and the problem has since been remedied sorry, I just didn't see anything that said the gnat invaders had been vanquished...

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I actually picked up on the fact that u've had a previous run in with these gnats and went through ur threads. Although i've considered going down some drastic routes, recent observations (sticky traps) seem to indicate the problem is not getting any worse. I was expecting hundreds more flies than what i saw yesterday. I also watered her with "Gnat off" yesterday and ensured as much water came gushing out the side holes as possible. Made a bit of a mess but as long as it flushes out flies and eggs near the air holes of the pot then it was worth it. The rest of em are being taken care of by the sticky traps, (about 16 of em!)

I found ones stuck to the side of the pot to literally have little round heaps of tiny flies, obviously they've seen a little yellow circle from inside the pot and have been attracted to it. For this reason i thought it would be beneficial to cover the whole pot in sticky traps, lure them all out before they have a chance to reproduce.

They havn't been vanquished yet, but they're being kept at bay, problem is getting no worse, and i have such a big dense root system they'd have to be LOADS working really hard to do any serious damage, so its put my mind to ease a bit.

Big thanks for sharing ur remedies, posts like that are always useful for future references.

Glad to hear your getting it under control matey

Had to go shops to get some more Topmax and thought i'd kill 2 birds with 1 stone.

I've decided against harvesting her early due to fungas gnats, as they havn't been getting noticeably worse over the past couple days. Next feeding i'll include all usual nutes, full strength, plus gnat off (double strength). I'll use it once more towards the end of this week at normal strength along with flowering nutes, and then from then on switch back to just Bio Nutes for another 2 weeks or so. Then Ripen for a week - 2 weeks, then harvest!

I've got a choice of harvesting earlier than hoped and messing up the dry and cure, or harvesting later than expected, hopefully resulting in super ripened buds that might have began degrading in terms of THC, but i'll be able to control the dry and cure much more effectively. So i'm picking the later of the 2. This also ensures the buds reach their maximum size.

The CFL on the left actually has a bud growing into the middle of it, i havn't moved the light as i'm interested to see how the tip of the cola grows surrounded completely by CFL lighting.

Anyway, the filter was hung using chains so i've still got access to wipe up liquids and flies on the bottom. Things look a lil sumthing like this now

I would like to see a little more kinex in play. Maybe design some kind of kinnex fungus gnat trap? they can fly in but not out kind of thing?

I second the DE application. Besides, its a source of silca

good lookin! man those gnats just like to be a pain in your ass lol

legallyflying said:

I would like to see a little more kinex in play. Maybe design some kind of kinnex fungus gnat trap? they can fly in but not out kind of thing?

I second the DE application. Besides, its a source of silca

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I might just chuck a whole load of K'nex in there just for you, not assembled or being used in any way what so ever, just there, just to keep you happy, haha.

On a more serious note though, i think the next time ur gona see K'nex in use will be when i build my drying rack!

If that doesn't satisfy ur K'nex fetish then ur gona have to sit tight and wait till my next grow!

ҖҗlegilizeitҗҖ;6703793 said:

good lookin! man those gnats just like to be a pain in your ass lol

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Cheers, i actually learnt today that apparently i've re-flowered my plant half way through flowering, by adding too much PK, didn't even know this was possible until an experienced grower came and had a look just now. He said he didn't even know this was possible until about 6 months ago. He said that's why the bottom of my buds are real nice and chunky, and the tops are proper spindly and thin. He said she's putting out flowers on-top of flowers. Explains why all of a sudden the topped branches became so chunky, whilst the un topped ones remained growing kinda thin. I think he first deduced that after seeing single blade leaves growing out the very top buds as-well, not too sure though. Either way all this means is a slightly longer flower and slightly more bud!

I'm also leaning towards his explanation as i've never seen buds growing in the shapes they're growing in..... All shall be apparent come harvest, at the moment its impossible to get a shot of 1 single branch.

Re: Gnats - I think all the flies have been caught on the sticky traps and have been prevented from multiplying. Couldn't really see a noticeable increase in flies on traps and/or around the bottom of the cab. Will be a lot clearer when i replace all the traps next week. Start fresh. I've decided against feeding another double dose of Gnat-off and instead will give it a single full dose, then half dose, then none.

good info on the over PK. never heard of that but it makes sense..kind of.

legallyflying said:

good info on the over PK. never heard of that but it makes sense..kind of.

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I was hoping u'd agree and not require the services of "bullshit man"

just watch this....

[video=youtube;HJDTuarMVn4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJDTuarMVn4[/video]

He'd never leave RIU!

legallyflying said:

good info on the over PK. never heard of that but it makes sense..kind of.

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The more i think about this the less it makes sense, how the hell can a plant effectively flower twice in one bloom season...

Also why would over PK'ing result in this and not some sort of of lock out/deficiency. I was always under the impression its impossible to over feed P, not too sure on potassium.

Then again i also don't know how to explain what i'm seeing