Oklahoma Growers Thread!

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Skillcraft

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I agree. My wife and I are medical card holders and we grow but we stay within the limits. We follow all local and state laws. But then you have folks like @DoubleAtotheRON who do everything right and produce top quality medicine yet they are being strangled by the illegal grows and the fucked up laws here.
 
DoubleAtotheRON

DoubleAtotheRON

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Skillcraft said:
I agree. My wife and I are medical card holders and we grow but we stay within the limits. We follow all local and state laws. But then you have folks like @DoubleAtotheRON who do everything right and produce top quality medicine yet they are being strangled by the illegal grows and the fucked up laws here.
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Exactly!... If you wanna grow, follow the rules, and the market will self level. It's ops like this that got busted that's fucking up the market. ..... or making it worse anyways. The 788 Law was doomed from the beginning by letting 25% out of State ownership. We could have done it on our own. Secondly, they should have put caps on Grower, Dispos, Processors...first come, first served. We were #994 out of 9,800ish growers to get licensed. And I was fully loaded on my laptop the day the website went live at 10am. I had all my shit loaded on my desktop, and ready for upload, and we still ended up #994. They need to back cap, but instead, they're going to impose higher fees to weed out (see what I did there) all the smaller ops. It sucks. 2022 is going to be our year of being in or out.
 
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Skillcraft

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DoubleAtotheRON said:
Exactly!... If you wanna grow, follow the rules, and the market will self level. It's ops like this that got busted that's fucking up the market. ..... or making it worse anyways. The 788 Law was doomed from the beginning by letting 25% out of State ownership. We could have done it on our own. Secondly, they should have put caps on Grower, Dispos, Processors...first come, first served. We were #994 out of 9,800ish growers to get licensed. And I was fully loaded on my laptop the day the website went live at 10am. I had all my shit loaded on my desktop, and ready for upload, and we still ended up #994. They need to back cap, but instead, they're going to impose higher fees to weed out (see what I did there) all the smaller ops. It sucks. 2022 is going to be our year of being in or out.
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I wish you the best my brother. You have done everything the right way and I know you will continue to do so. Hopefully they will do what is right when it comes to our laws. I hope you are able to weather the storm and have your best year. It is people like you that we need producing top quality medicine and actually contributing to our state and not just taking from it.
 
rkymtnman

rkymtnman

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DoubleAtotheRON said:
2022 is going to be our year of being in or out.
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hopefully it's like the brewery analogy we've seen here in CO. hundreds if not thousands of new breweries opening. they stay open for a while until people realize they only make mediocre beer. 1 fairly good flagship beer isn't enough to keep the lights on. and then they go out of business. what's that saying? the cream rises to the top

hope you make it! you seem like you are dotting your i's and crossing your t's
 
DoubleAtotheRON

DoubleAtotheRON

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rkymtnman said:
hopefully it's like the brewery analogy we've seen here in CO. hundreds if not thousands of new breweries opening. they stay open for a while until people realize they only make mediocre beer. 1 fairly good flagship beer isn't enough to keep the lights on. and then they go out of business. what's that saying? the cream rises to the top

hope you make it! you seem like you are dotting your i's and crossing your t's
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We’re damn sure trying bro!
 
shorelineOG

shorelineOG

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rkymtnman said:
hopefully it's like the brewery analogy we've seen here in CO. hundreds if not thousands of new breweries opening. they stay open for a while until people realize they only make mediocre beer. 1 fairly good flagship beer isn't enough to keep the lights on. and then they go out of business. what's that saying? the cream rises to the top

hope you make it! you seem like you are dotting your i's and crossing your t's
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I do some work with 4M3C in Oklahoma and the wholesale clone business is where the opportunity is.
 
DoubleAtotheRON

DoubleAtotheRON

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Skillcraft said:
What is this going to cost you now? Government always nickel and diming the little guy.
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Man, I can't remember from when we first started METRC last year and then it got delayed by a lawsuit, but I think the plant tags were like 50 cents each, then packaging tags, bar code scanner, and the monthly fee..... they just never stop with the fucking fees, taxes, and more fees. At first, when you got your Growers Lic, it came with a Transport Lic.... a couple of years ago they decided "OK, now you and all of your employees have to have a Transportation Agent Card"... at $100 a pop. So that was an easy couple of million dollars from them... maybe more.
 
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Skillcraft

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DoubleAtotheRON said:
Man, I can't remember from when we first started METRC last year and then it got delayed by a lawsuit, but I think the plant tags were like 50 cents each, then packaging tags, bar code scanner, and the monthly fee..... they just never stop with the fucking fees, taxes, and more fees. At first, when you got your Growers Lic, it came with a Transport Lic.... a couple of years ago they decided "OK, now you and all of your employees have to have a Transportation Agent Card"... at $100 a pop. So that was an easy couple of million dollars from them... maybe more.
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The gov will not stop til they take all the money from the little guy. Brother I hope you are able to make it through their bullshit. And the major question I have is where does all this money go? I haven't seen anything improved around here and we have grows and dispos on every fucking corner.
 
DoubleAtotheRON

DoubleAtotheRON

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Skillcraft said:
The gov will not stop til they take all the money from the little guy. Brother I hope you are able to make it through their bullshit. And the major question I have is where does all this money go? I haven't seen anything improved around here and we have grows and dispos on every fucking corner.
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That's what I'd like to know!.. They're making ~$157million a year in fees, and 788 taxes. Where is it going???
 
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Skillcraft

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I think it is like all our other tax dollars. Goes for their special interest pet projects and their cronies. Man this shit doesn't make sense. I don't mind paying my taxes but would love to at least see where it is going. I will stop my rant before this thread is considered (political) and gets shit canned.
 
Samwell Seed Well

Samwell Seed Well

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DoubleAtotheRON said:
You gotta be kidding me. Who's buying clones?
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So many ourfits up here cant clone or dont keep mothers...every sq ft not producing is a net loss....

Cost need to balance out..


Cost for lighting, nutrients, space, cost of space for dry storage and same for mothers, they are net losses in any grow if you can source clones cheap...

Now where this gets technically wrong is when your clone stock is bad or contamianted with chemicals or bugs disease....

But if you can clone and stay clean someone else can and you can get back that space...just 1 room added on to a 4 room grow creates way more harvest in a yr....just one harvest can probably pay for a yr of IPM managment and buying clones... and extra labor

thus increasing more value of the company and more revenue per sq fr...
 
Samwell Seed Well

Samwell Seed Well

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Propagariom revenue means every farm is your customer..as the industry
grows so does your possible market stake... its a very very good model...

And the cost saving a GM can bring to a comapny while increasing grow space and culture due to industry cooperarion is a big plus...makes getting account easy, dind grows that want to expand but cant due to space..


And you clone in a multi teir racks...

My roomate grows for a operation..
950 a tray of 72 clones , every 2 weeks, ever 2sq ft

Or do what i do and get paid to consult.... hahaha.
 
DoubleAtotheRON

DoubleAtotheRON

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Samwell Seed Well said:
So many ourfits up here cant clone or dont keep mothers...every sq ft not producing is a net loss....

Cost need to balance out..


Cost for lighting, nutrients, space, cost of space for dry storage and same for mothers, they are net losses in any grow if you can source clones cheap...

Now where this gets technically wrong is when your clone stock is bad or contamianted with chemicals or bugs disease....

But if you can clone and stay clean someone else can and you can get back that space...just 1 room added on to a 4 room grow creates way more harvest in a yr....just one harvest can probably pay for a yr of IPM managment and buying clones... and extra labor

thus increasing more value of the company and more revenue per sq fr...
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Well... i'd damn sure rather grow clones, than finish a room. Much easier. Wonder what a clone goes for around here?
 
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