OK then. Biden 2020.

abandonconflict

abandonconflict

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Every possible news source is unfairly attacking my preferred candidate. Even Yang receives more positive coverage than Harris. As has been repeatedly demonstrated in this subforum, none of the criticism of Harris has been accurate. Conservatives have been the source of this because they fear Trump's impending prison sentence.

Therefore I am goaded to support a different candidate to keep Trump out of office. The top 3 currently are Biden, Sanders and Warren. Sanders is unelectable. He is a joke and has never accomplished anything meaningful in his 3 decades in congress. Warren is a meme and also unelectable. Biden polls higher than both of them put together.

Both Sanders and Warren are campaigning primarily on single payer healthcare and it is a losing platform. The huge middle class tax hikes make it a nonstarter. It appeals to some low effort voters who would simply argue that the US should have it since Canada was able to implement it but it has lost support from every lawmaker that supported it once it became clear that GIANT middle class tax hikes are part of the deal.

Biden on the other hand is going to get everyone covered for health insurance without raising middle class taxes. He is very experienced and though he has been known to put his foot in his mouth, he is by far the best of the top 3 choices. I don't particularly like him but Sanders and Warren are just horrible choices.
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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I want to see Harris in the debates the most against Trump, it would be a beautiful thing for our country to witness. I think she can drive home the "Trump is a racist" message far better than Biden will lean on. She might pull off a outside win, but I am still going to vote for Biden. He will make a good 4 year president and can hand things off to Harris and the rest of the Democratic field in 2024. We need to have a shot at getting the house and senate, and I think Trump will not be able to sell the racist and misogynist as easily with Biden at the head of the ticket.
 
Mullalulla

Mullalulla

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hanimmal said:
I want to see Harris in the debates the most against Trump, it would be a beautiful thing for our country to witness. I think she can drive home the "Trump is a racist" message far better than Biden will lean on. She might pull off a outside win, but I am still going to vote for Biden. He will make a good 4 year president and can hand things off to Harris and the rest of the Democratic field in 2024. We need to have a shot at getting the house and senate, and I think Trump will not be able to sell the racist and misogynist as easily with Biden at the head of the ticket.
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Honestly it goes to Biden and were gonna have a 2016 again. You'll get the white house ... maybe .. but the senate wont flip with Biden on the ticket, no wave in that case ... hand things off to harris ... man you are still living like its 2008 or 2002 or something. Stuffs changed.
 
Fogdog

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Mullalulla said:
Honestly it goes to Biden and were gonna have a 2016 again. You'll get the white house ... maybe .. but the senate wont flip with Biden on the ticket, no wave in that case ... hand things off to harris ... man you are still living like its 2008 or 2002 or something. Stuffs changed.
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"Choose Sanders because he will not only win but an energized wellspring of previously unknown far left voters will flip the Senate too."

Say the above out loud and you'll know how ridiculous you are making yourself out to be.
 
Mullalulla

Mullalulla

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I might be, but you guys might be surprised. I am saying if the dems want to take the senate, biden / harris / bootyjudge would be the wrong choice. But then again if you are in Bidens camp theres no changing anyones mind at the moment.
 
Fogdog

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Mullalulla said:
I might be, but you guys might be surprised. I am saying if the dems want to take the senate, biden / harris / bootyjudge would be the wrong choice. But then again if you are in Bidens camp theres no changing anyones mind at the moment.
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Yeah, if I disagree with a Sanders supporter it means I support Biden. Your claim about me being a Biden supporter is dwarfed in the magnitude of stupidity and ignorance of your claim that the only way for Democrats to win the Senate is to nominate a far left candidate.

So, let me rephrase your statement:

"Voters in states that elected a right wing, Republican Senator five years ago will vote for a Democratic Party Senatorial candidate only if Sanders wins the Democratic Primary."

Just say that out loud. Then tell me which states will flip from Republican to Democratic Party in the Senate if and only if Sanders is the Democratic Party nominee.
 
Mullalulla

Mullalulla

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Fogdog said:
Yeah, if I disagree with a Sanders supporter it means I support Biden. Your claim about me being a Biden supporter is dwarfed in the magnitude of stupidity and ignorance of your claim that the only way for Democrats to win the Senate is to nominate a far left candidate.

So, let me rephrase your statement:

"Voters in states that elected a right wing, Republican Senator five years ago will vote for a Democratic Party Senatorial candidate only if Sanders wins the Democratic Primary."

Just say that out loud. Then tell me which states will flip from Republican to Democratic Party in the Senate if and only if Sanders is the Democratic Party nominee.
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You seem to think all those people in those states voted for trump for the same reason you are your friends did, most people were worried about there job and stuff, and figured trumps populist message was actually you know .. he ment it .. now they know that was a joke, most people like populist stuff .. bernies right there. About you being a biden supporter ? I dont know I was trying to make sense of your signature, but then I figured you were some 50+ year old dude or lady from the midwest trying to be edgy lol. So I threw you in the Biden camp lol.
 
Fogdog

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Mullalulla said:
You seem to think all those people in those states voted for trump for the same reason you are your friends did, most people were worried about there job and stuff, and figured trumps populist message was actually you know .. he ment it .. now they know that was a joke, most people like populist stuff .. bernies right there. About you being a biden supporter ? I dont know I was trying to make sense of your signature, but then I figured you were some 50+ year old dude or lady from the midwest trying to be edgy lol. So I threw you in the Biden camp lol.
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Which states do you think will flip from Republican to Democratic Party Senators only if Sanders is chosen to be the Democratic Party's nominee for President?
 
hanimmal

hanimmal

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Mullalulla said:
Honestly it goes to Biden and were gonna have a 2016 again. You'll get the white house ... maybe .. but the senate wont flip with Biden on the ticket, no wave in that case ... hand things off to harris ... man you are still living like its 2008 or 2002 or something. Stuffs changed.
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It is more important to get the house than it is to do anything. The Republicans will shut down the investigations because every time a light is shone on these donors a Russian/foreign despot pops out.

Sanders will scare off a lot of people as soon as the word socialist comes out. He will still be better than Trump, but he won't win back the house.

Harris will flat out destroy Trump, but being a black female she hits all the spots on the MAGA bingo card. They lost their minds after a black man was elected and we got the tea-party noise, and the Russian/Saudi trolls in 2016 really leveraged the fact that Men over the age of 50 seem to have a very quaint view of a woman in charge.

Warren would out hustle Trump and show him to know nothing about the economy and its impacts on real peoples lives. But she too will elicit the anti-women crowds wrath and lose the house.

Biden gets us the house at the very least, and he has the best chance at bringing enough people to sanity to get the presidency and the senate.

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You seem to think all those people in those states voted for trump for the same reason you are your friends did, most people were worried about there job and stuff, and figured trumps populist message was actually you know .. he ment it .. now they know that was a joke, most people like populist stuff .. bernies right there. About you being a biden supporter ? I dont know I was trying to make sense of your signature, but then I figured you were some 50+ year old dude or lady from the midwest trying to be edgy lol. So I threw you in the Biden camp lol.
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Please, the guy just says anything and everything. He has flat out lied/mislead over 12,000 times because it doesn't matter, the bubble that his supporters are in will only ever hear the time he said it the way they wanted him to say it. He just can't shut up either, the truth does slip in and in ways he doesn't mean it to.
 
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abandonconflict

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Mullalulla said:
You seem to think all those people in those states voted for trump for the same reason you are your friends did, most people were worried about there job and stuff, and figured trumps populist message was actually you know .. he ment it .. now they know that was a joke, most people like populist stuff .. bernies right there. About you being a biden supporter ? I dont know I was trying to make sense of your signature, but then I figured you were some 50+ year old dude or lady from the midwest trying to be edgy lol. So I threw you in the Biden camp lol.
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Bernie has introduced exactly 3 bills that passed, in 3 decades in congress. Two were to rename post offices. His platform is a joke. Every "idea" he has ever had was lifted directly from the Green Party. He had anti-war protestors arrested during their sit-in. He shielded weapons manufacturers from liabilities. He had toxic waste dumped in Hispanic neighborhoods. He never held any other job before he was a politician aside from writing rape fantasy columns in the Burlington newspaper.

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