OK then. Biden 2020.

PJ Diaz · Feb 7, 2023

Wattzzup said:
You have made claims in the past of being involved with unions. And I’m wondering what republican has been supportive of unions that you know. And you said none. At least we agree. I’m wondering how you support a party that doesn’t support your earning of income? And why bash the one party that does support unions? If you’re as involved as you have claimed in the past.

I don't support the Republican party. I am critical of the Democratic party (which I typically vote in support of), despite the fact that they are more supportive of Unions, because that issue alone does not devalidate the other issues which I have with the party and its leadership. You somehow seem to confuse my comments which are critical of the Dem party and their leadership, to be synonymous with support of their opponents, which is a false dichotomy.

Wattzzup · Feb 7, 2023

PJ Diaz said:
I don't support the Republican party. I am critical of the Democratic party (which I typically vote in support of), despite the fact that they are more supportive of Unions, because that issue alone does not devalidate the other issues which I have with the party and its leadership. You somehow seem to confuse my comments which are critical of the Dem party and their leadership, to be synonymous with support of their opponents, which is a false dichotomy.

So you just like to complain is what you’re saying? Fair enough. me too sometimes.

Biden was THE best option of the two. Period. If you’re objectively looking at the situation. So since that’s the case we kind of have to roll with what goes on.

If you guys think the balloon was embarrassing, imagine having a president that started, supported, and then denied involvement, in a hostile attack on other American citizens, including law enforcement. How embarrassing would that be? Not counting the tax issues. The fucking guy doesn’t even pay taxes in America.

HGCC · Feb 7, 2023

Holy shit I am glad I utilized that ignore feature, I would have been super rude to people.

doublejj · Feb 7, 2023

Republicans In Washington Block Biden’s Vital Minimum Wage Increase
The federal minimum wage has sat at $7.25 per hour since 2009. Democrats want an increase up to $15 per hour, phased in over several years. But they can’t vote on it due to the threat of a Republican Senate filibuster, which needs 60 votes to overcome. Republican Senators haven’t represented a majority of the population since 1996.

Republicans In Washington Block Biden’s Vital Minimum Wage Increase

This week, complex parliamentary rules stopped the Senate from including a $15 minimum wage in President Biden’s relief package.

www.forbes.com

PJ Diaz · Feb 7, 2023

Wattzzup said:
So you just like to complain is what you’re saying? Fair enough. me too sometimes.

Biden was THE best option of the two. Period. If you’re objectively looking at the situation. So since that’s the case we kind of have to roll with what goes on.

If you guys think the balloon was embarrassing, imagine having a president that started, supported, and then denied involvement, in a hostile attack on other American citizens, including law enforcement. How embarrassing would that be? Not counting the tax issues. The fucking guy doesn’t even pay taxes in America.

I voted for Biden, which I believe gives me a right to be critical of him, and there is much to be critical of; he's certainly not the ideal leader of the free world. No we don't have to "roll with what goes", we can protest our dissatisfactions, which is one of the things that Makes America Great Still.

I wasn't embarrassed by the balloon. What leads you to believe that I was? It's pretty funny how you attempt to prop your Biden up, simply based on how much shittier Trump is/was. I agree that he was shittier, but that doesn't magically make Biden all peaches and cream.

PJ Diaz · Feb 7, 2023

doublejj said:
Republicans In Washington Block Biden’s Vital Minimum Wage Increase
The federal minimum wage has sat at $7.25 per hour since 2009. Democrats want an increase up to $15 per hour, phased in over several years. But they can’t vote on it due to the threat of a Republican Senate filibuster, which needs 60 votes to overcome. Republican Senators haven’t represented a majority of the population since 1996.

Republicans In Washington Block Biden’s Vital Minimum Wage Increase

This week, complex parliamentary rules stopped the Senate from including a $15 minimum wage in President Biden’s relief package.

www.forbes.com

Even tho that's 2-year old news, it's still pretty lame that they don't support a higher minimum wage, I agree.

doublejj · Feb 7, 2023

PJ Diaz said:
Even tho that's 2-year old news, it's still pretty lame that they don't support a higher minimum wage, I agree.

If wages are a big issue with you, you should never vote republican.

PJ Diaz · Feb 7, 2023

Not sure what's up with these guys though..

8 Democrats defect on $15 minimum wage hike

The vote shows that raising the wage faces significant hurdles within the party, in a disappointment for the left.

www.politico.com

"Democratic Sens. Joe Manchin of West Virginia, Jon Tester of Montana, Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire, Kyrsten Sinema of Arizona and Maggie Hassan of New Hampshire voted against proceeding, though the tally remains open. So did two close Biden allies, Chris Coons and Tom Carper of Delaware. Sen. Angus King (I-Maine), who caucuses with the Senate Democrats, also opposed it."

PJ Diaz · Feb 7, 2023

doublejj said:
If wages are a big issue with you, you should never vote republican.

I never have, as I've stated many times here.

Wattzzup · Feb 7, 2023

PJ Diaz said:
simply based on how much shittier Trump is/was. I agree that he was shittier,

Cool so we agree.

Also you don’t have to vote for someone to be critical of them. It’s America you can be critical of whoever you want. I’m saying we were faced with two choices and we took the better of the two.

doublejj · Feb 7, 2023

Wattzzup said:
Cool so we agree.

Also you don’t have to vote for someone to be critical of them. It’s America you can be critical of whoever you want. I’m saying we were faced with two choices and we took the better of the two.

Biden>any republican

PJ Diaz · Feb 7, 2023

Wattzzup said:
Cool so we agree.

Also you don’t have to vote for someone to be critical of them. It’s America you can be critical of whoever you want. I’m saying we were faced with two choices and we took the better of the two.

I like to think that we can move towards more than two choices, and I may exercise that option in 2024. Being the "better of the two" choices, still doesn't mean that it's a great choice, or that there can't be improvement. When I point out the shortcomings of Dem leadership, it's not in effort to garner votes for the GOP, but rather done in effort to suggest improvement upon the Dem's shortcomings.

Wattzzup · Feb 7, 2023

PJ Diaz said:
When I point out the shortcomings of Dem leadership, it's not in effort to garner votes for the GOP, but rather done in effort to suggest improvement upon the Dem's shortcomings.

You’re just here to help the Dem party hmmmm….

PJ Diaz said:
Does it really matter is he goes on vacation or not? I mean, he's just a senile old puppet of a president anyway. His staff will drive their agenda forward whether he's there or not.

Great suggestion for improving the dem party :roll:

doughper · Feb 7, 2023

Wattzzup said:
Also you don’t have to vote for someone to be critical of them. It’s America you can be critical of whoever you want. I’m saying we were faced with two choices and we took the better of the two.

There are other ideas:

Second, I don’t vote, because I firmly believe that if you vote, you have no right to complain. I know some people like to twist that around and say, ‘If you don’t vote, you have no right to complain.’ But where’s the logic in that? Think it through: If you vote, and you elect dishonest, incompetent politicians, and you screw things up, then you’re responsible for what they’ve done. You voted them in. You caused the problem. You have no right to complain. I, on the other hand, who did not vote—who, in fact, did not even leave the house on Election Day—am in no way responsible for what these politicians have done and have every right to complain about the mess you created. Which I had nothing to do with. Why can’t people see that?”

-- G. Carlin

PJ Diaz · Feb 7, 2023

Wattzzup said:
You’re just here to help the Dem party hmmmm….

Great suggestion for improving the dem party

Yep, get someone who I can vote for. Otherwise it'll be 3rd party for me and many others.

Wattzzup · Feb 7, 2023

PJ Diaz said:
I like to think that we can move towards more than two choices, and I may exercise that option in 2024. Being the "better of the two" choices, still doesn't mean that it's a great choice, or that there can't be improvement.

I guess my reply to this section didn’t post. The two party system is fucked up. Couldn’t agree more. Unfortunately in reality neither party will ever go for another party starting up, and will waste their billions squashing them. So we’re back to the two choices.

doughper · Feb 7, 2023

Wattzzup said:
he two party system is fucked up.

campaign reform, get lobbies out, election reform. get the damn money out.

Sir Napsalot · Feb 7, 2023

PJ Diaz said:
Yep, get someone who I can vote for. Otherwise it'll be 3rd party for me and many others.

Just as long as you guys leech voters from the red pool I'm cool with that

Sir Napsalot · Feb 7, 2023

I voted for Ed Clark in 1980, because I was dissatisfied with the other candidates

He lost

So was my foray into 3rd party politics

PJ Diaz · Feb 7, 2023

Wattzzup said:
I guess my reply to this section didn’t post. The two party system is fucked up. Couldn’t agree more. Unfortunately in reality neither party will ever go for another party starting up, and will waste their billions squashing them. So we’re back to the two choices.

I'm sorry to hear that you've given up and given in. I haven't.

The reality is that we have three voting blocks in the United States: Democrats, Republicans, and Independents (the largest block of the three).

OK then. Biden 2020.

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