Oh Goodie! ... More on 911 (inside job) :)

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NoDrama

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The Pentagon is the strongest building on earth and was specifically designed to be so. The WTT's were NOT ... that's the difference.
If that were true, then why does the 2nd, 3rd and 4th floors collapse after 1 hour? The plane only took out the first floor.



this pic is minutes after the impact, notice the intensely burning fireball. Notice there are NO skid marks on the ground, See those big spools of wire? Still in place sitting there, no way a huge jet liner flew 2 inches off the ground all the way across the lawn and impacted the first floor, all the while it did this with no wings because there is NO evidence of wings impacting the wall, the wings carry 75% of the fuel load, notice the only fire is in the hole, no big fires extending 80 feet from each side of the hole.
 

fdd2blk

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If that were true, then why does the 2nd, 3rd and 4th floors collapse after 1 hour? The plane only took out the first floor.



this pic is minutes after the impact, notice the intensely burning fireball. Notice there are NO skid marks on the ground, See those big spools of wire? Still in place sitting there, no way a huge jet liner flew 2 inches off the ground all the way across the lawn and impacted the first floor, all the while it did this with no wings because there is NO evidence of wings impacting the wall, the wings carry 75% of the fuel load, notice the only fire is in the hole, no big fires extending 80 feet from each side of the hole.
are you fucking blind?

not even gonna bother.

bongsmiliebongsmiliebongsmiliebongsmilie
 

Big P

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Donald Rumsfeld was allowed to keep federal evidence of a murder scene? Really? Got any proof of this?


my only proof is seeing it with my own eyes but obivously not enough proof for you guys :hug:






Posted 3/13/2004 1:01 AM


Rumsfeld, senior FBI official took Sept. 11 souvenirs

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Justice Department investigation that criticized FBI agents for taking souvenirs from the World Trade Center site also found that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and a high-ranking FBI official kept items from the Sept. 11 attack scenes.

The final investigatory report said the Justice Department inspector general confirmed Rumsfeld "has a piece of the airplane that flew into the Pentagon." The Associated Press obtained a copy of the report Friday.

Pentagon spokesman Lawrence Di Rita said Friday night that Rumsfeld has a shard of metal from the jetliner that struck the Pentagon on a table in his office and shows it to people as a reminder of the tragedy Pentagon workers shared on Sept. 11, 2001.
"He doesn't consider it his own," Di Rita said, adding the piece is on display for the Pentagon. "We are mindful of the fact that if somebody has an evidentiary requirement to have this shard of metal, we will provide it to them."

The Justice Department investigation also collected testimony that Pasquale D'Amuro, FBI Director Robert Mueller's executive assistant director for terrorism until last summer, asked a supervisory agent to "obtain a half dozen items from the WTC debris so the items could be given to dignitaries."

Six items — none needed as evidence — were gathered and sent to D'Amuro, the report said.
D'Amuro, now the head of the FBI's New York office, told investigators that "he asked for a piece of the building as a memento" and that he was aware that agents had taken such items from other terrorist crime scenes over the years.

He said he got a piece of the building in June 2003 but denied asking for items for dignitaries. D'Amuro left the following month from FBI headquarters as Mueller's top terrorism official to become an assistant director in charge of the New York office.
Joe Valiquette, a spokesman for the New York FBI office, declined to comment Friday.

The report also divulged that FBI agents' removal of items like a Tiffany crystal globe from the World Trade Center rubble gutted a criminal case the bureau was building against a Minnesota contractor that had taken a fire truck door from the same rubble.
Prosecutors told the FBI they "might not indict the crime regarding the fire truck door due to government misconduct involving the Tiffany globe," the report said.

Surviving family members were surprised by the latest news.
"Unbelievable," said William Doyle, whose son was killed in the World Trade Center.
"Everybody has things that they probably should not have from the World Trade Center site," added Sally Regenhard, whose firefighter son died in the towers. "I'm sure there's probably all kinds of people that have all kinds of artifacts."
The Justice Department's report has not been officially released, but heavily deleted versions of the report began circulating around Washington last month showing 13 FBI agents had taken rubble, debris and items such as flags and a Tiffany crystal globe paperweight.

The bureau announced it was banning agents from taking items from crimes scenes, but no agents were being charged with crimes because the bureau did not have such a policy during the Sept. 11 investigation.
The full report obtained by the AP divulges some senior FBI managers were among those cited for having authorized or asked for mementos from the World Trade Center site.

In addition to D'Amuro, the report stated the now-retired head of the New York FBI office, Barry Mawn, asked and received an American flag and a piece of marble from the debris before his retirement.

The report also states the special agent in charge of the FBI's office in Knoxville, Tenn., Joe Clark, contacted FBI officials in New York requesting a piece of debris to display in an exhibit dealing with hate crimes. A 100-pound piece of steel was sent to Clark, the report said.

The report stated FBI agents who worked in New York repeatedly expressed their disgust that visiting agents and supervisors would seek souvenirs from the terrorist attacks.

Many interviewed regarded the debris as sacred, the reported stated, "and were disgusted by the fact that anyone would want to take items, including pieces of the building which were contaminated with blood and human body parts."
The report discloses that among the items taken, agents had cut World Trade Center security patches from the sleeves of shirt pieces found in the rubble.

One New York agent who worked on the evidence recovery team "stated it was a ghoulish prospect that anyone would want things from a crime scene where people have died," the report said.
Two senior FBI lawyers from New York told the investigators they were never consulted by FBI managers about the propriety of taking items, and they would have objected.

The FBI New York office's ethics officer, Steven Carolotto, "emphatically stated FBI agents could not profit from working any location" and the "calamity of the event was inconsistent with the taking of items for personal use."
Investigators also stated that they found evidence that the agent who ran the recovery effort at the landfill, Richard Marx of Philadelphia, gave "inconsistent" answers during the investigation after several colleagues claimed he had given them permission to take items.

Last summer, Marx was subjected to a lie detector test in which he said he did not recall giving items to Mawn, did not recall giving permission for evidence recovery agents to take items and insisted he was completely true when he gave an affidavit to the investigation.

"The results of the examination indicated that Marx was deceptive in his responses to all three questions," the Justice report said. FBI officials declined to comment about Marx's conduct.
 

CrackerJax

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Whitey only takes in what he thinks is true ... uhh , please don't include "just like you guys" in there...:lol:

That's exactly backwards and NOT the way you make conclusions. You don't get to the conclusion first and then work from there.

Don't be emo about issues. Get the most reasonable explanations of events and cross reference... then start to draw conclusions.

9/11 conspiracy just doesn't hold up ... unless you want it to ... despite the evidence.
 

Big P

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If that were true, then why does the 2nd, 3rd and 4th floors collapse after 1 hour? The plane only took out the first floor.



this pic is minutes after the impact, notice the intensely burning fireball. Notice there are NO skid marks on the ground, See those big spools of wire? Still in place sitting there, no way a huge jet liner flew 2 inches off the ground all the way across the lawn and impacted the first floor, all the while it did this with no wings because there is NO evidence of wings impacting the wall, the wings carry 75% of the fuel load, notice the only fire is in the hole, no big fires extending 80 feet from each side of the hole.


why would there be marks on the ground since the plane never touched the ground before impact?

you even contradict you own post later by saying the plane flew 2 inches from the ground

an eye witness clearly states and is officially quoted saying if he did not duck the planes wing would have taken off his head


you seem to conviniantly pretend like there were not 136 documented witnesses to this incident

just shows how totally unobjective you are about this issue.


and lastly there are big fires spread across where the wings were:o you see all that super thick smoke, as pot heads we can all agree only grease and fuel fires have such thick black smoke


we can all also agree that the majority of the fuel held by the wings will be in the wide part of the wings close to the fuselage rather than and the skinny ends of the wings.:-P
 

fdd2blk

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Two questions about the Pentagon remain unanswered for some people:
1. What happened to the building girders?
2. What happened the fuselage of the Boeing 757?

Please understand that the Pentagon was the first major building built with a tension-wire technology. It is still the largest building ever built with tension-wire. This design does not use steel I-beam girders to construct the structure. It is presumed by engineers that slamming a plane into such a building would look a lot like pushing cheese thru a wire cutter.

Furthermore, tests have been done, at high speeds, of slamming a fighter jet into a solid wall. These tests were done to prove what will happen when a jet slams into the side of a nuclear containment building at a power plant. Most of the plane turns to dust or tiny debris. Small pieces of the wingtips and the engines were found, but not much else.



Here is a picture of luggage and debris from the Boeing 757 collected a couple days later. This image seems consistant with expected results from such an impact; based on other observed events.



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CrackerJax

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Yes, this thread failed way way back, and yet.... they keep on with the delusional talk.


I'm thinking of investing in tin foil stock...... these guys must be buying it all up.
 

CrackerJax

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Like I said 456 pages ago.... this is all political, not science, and that's why they insist on staying blind to the truth.

Bush is gone.... it's okay to let it go. No one cares anymore....
 

NoDrama

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This has nothing to do with political viewpoints IMO. Im a conservative, definitely not a socialist or a Democrat, maybe you could call me a classical liberal (Jeffersonian), but you certainly can't call me a lefty.

My biggest question about the pentagon incident is this:
Why didn't the whole building crumble to dust? Its not like its made of steel or anything.
 

jfgordon1

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Wings and tail section extend beyond the area of the damage

Someone please explain to me how that big of a plane... fits into that hole?
 

Big P

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EXACTLY!

You're catching on! lol


loooooooool pricless dude your pics are not showing up lol





theres been 136 people who watch the plane hit the penatagon


2 people were found still in thier seats!!!!!!






open your brains motherfuckers!!!!:bigjoint:
 

jfgordon1

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theres been 136 people who watch the plane hit the penatagon
Nobody believed us "truthers" when we gave witnesses in the wtcs seeing/ getting exploded on the main floor.. getting skin get ripped off their flesh.

Guess witnesses are only good if it's on your side?
2 people were found still in thier seats!!!!!!
There was nothing even left of the plane.... the crash put the airplane to dust... but left bob and emily in their seats? doubt it




open your brains motherfuckers!!!!:bigjoint:
right back at ya ;)

edit: can't see the pics?.... straaaaange :? :? :?
 

Big P

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Nobody believed us "truthers" when we gave witnesses in the wtcs seeing/ getting exploded on the main floor.. getting skin get ripped off their flesh.

Guess witnesses are only good if it's on your side?

There was nothing even left of the plane.... the crash put the airplane to dust... but left bob and emily in their seats? doubt it





right back at ya ;)


its a fact homie, if your too ignorent to read the multiple posts

the first and last names of the eye witness SOME WHICH ARE ON VIDEO lol you would know for yourself


fact remains that 2 people were still strapped in thier plane seats inside the wreckage of the pentagon. these hundreds of photos of the scene with wreckage

I guess you didnt have the time to look, but makes you unaware about the situation you are so wrong its comical


this is a fact you are just wrong, gulible and ignorent.


this is all fact


NEXT!!!!:hug:
 

NoDrama

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its a fact homie, if your too ignorent to read the multiple posts

the first and last names of the eye witness SOME WHICH ARE ON VIDEO lol you would know for yourself


fact remains that 2 people were still strapped in thier plane seats inside the wreckage of the pentagon. these hundreds of photos of the scene with wreckage

I guess you didnt have the time to look, but makes you unaware about the situation you are so wrong its comical


this is a fact you are just wrong, gulible and ignorent.


this is all fact


NEXT!!!!:hug:
Got a coroners report or something besides hearsay to back up the "Bodies found still strapped into seats" or do you think possibly since 125 office workers were killed that it could just be them in their office chairs? When you are 500 feet away its probably hard to tell.
 

"SICC"

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Whoa Whoa, wait a second, did Big P just say "homie"

LOL :lol:

and yea jeff all i see is TRIPOD.COM on those pics
 

CrackerJax

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If ur not a Bush hater and you believe this nonsense... then you have truly been the most naive. i can understand the folks who are on the political left and cannot stand the fact that their foreign policy guru (Clinton) got all those ppl killed. They are of course incorrect, but i understand the motives.
 
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