Oaksterdam t-5 veg 600w hps flower

Drella · Dec 20, 2009

Shrubs First said:
What do you mean leaves never droop before sleep?

They shouldn't be drooping at anytime, something
must be happening in order to cause this...

A 24/0 schedule can be utilized, but it definitely
doesn't cut your chances on hermieing, it is
much more stressful for a plant under the 24/0.

With this schedule the plant is unable to perform
its very important task of cellular respiration, which only
happens in the dark period. This is when the plant converts
all of it's biochemical energy it has produced throughout the
day in to Adenosine Triphosphate or ATP, a crucial role in
photosynthesis.

I'm not going to tell you, you must change to 18/6 because
people are successful with 24/0, but it definitely does not
make better flowering results.

Maybe the temps drop rapidly and and quite a bit, and/or your
humidity jumps during the off cycle causing this droop in your plant.

But it isn't the darkness itself.

shrubs, always coming through with the awesome advice! totally makes sense. i meant when i 18/6 on my last veg they would droop an hour before lights out, like they knew they were about to go to sleep. you kinda got me scared now! the fact is in my grows i know there is a lot of advice out there, everyone's is different. i went with 24/0 this time because it was something totally different than what i did last time, but something people use that works! it might have been a dumb choice, but i want to stick by it, till the end of veg. i feel if everything goes good this time around, i will go back to 18/6 next time. Simply for the fact that i don't see more growth with the extra 6 hours of light a day. i hope im not f-ing up the roots by not letting them sleep, but man, from soil up they look great! thanks for the help shrubs!

d.c. beard · Dec 21, 2009

You can run 24/0, 20/4, 18/6, and probably 16/8 without the plants going into flower. You risk them going into flower at 14 hrs or less of light each day.

I don't think any schedule really stresses the plants any more than the rest as long as you stick to it, but inconsistency in the amount of daylight that your plants receive can make them hermie. Shrubs sounds like he def knows what he's talking about, so I would take his advice on having at least some amount of darkness in your regimen next time around. I run 18/6 to keep the electric bill down, but I have of course heard that this is better for the plants than 24/0.

In the long run, I would suggest that you assess your goals and run your lighting schedule accordingly. If you want to flip your plants as fast as possible and turn-around is a top priority, then run 24/0 and they will grow bigger and quicker in veg which will allow you to throw them into flower quicker. If you have a little more time to play with and speed through veg isn't as much of an issue then run 18/6 maybe. It's really just all about how long you want the plants to take to reach a pre-determined goal of size before you flip them into flower. Whatever you decide just stick to it.

And if your leaves are drooping an hour before 'sunset' the first thing that comes to my mind is that they probably need to be watered. Plants use the moisture in their substrate to pump sugars and other chemicals up the stalk and to the leaves/buds while they are photosynthesizing. The water will disappear much more quickly when the lights are on. Also, with the lights and fans on there is less humidity and the environment is much drier which equates to your substrate drying out even quicker as well. Drooping leaves with no other sign of damage usually just means they need to be watered.

BooMeR242 · Dec 21, 2009

Drella said:
fuck man, i was probably stoned when i wrote that, i meant 18/6. but for now i'm with the 24/0, i wanna see how they turn out with 24/0 the entire veg.

-you're right man, i did 18/6 last time, and it worked out great. im so paranoid this time around, so im gonna 24/0 the whole veg. i feel once i 12/12 em they'll immediately start flower! also there will be 4 different strains. i don't know about you guys, but im super excited to see their differences!

---haha i figured u were faded. i thought it was me that was too high readin and had to reread it a couple times before i called u out on it haha. no offense just makin sure were on the same page thats all.

but ya everyones gona have info thats correct about runnin veg for 24/0 and 18/6. i do agree that ruinning a HID lamp is better 18/6 cuz it saves power and allows cool down etc. i also agree and the manager at the collective im friends with whos done 4 years of vending and more years of cultivation said he likes doin 24/0 the whole veg time til he flips to flower and will sumtiems go 72 hours darkness before 12/12 comes on. this helps induce flwoering faster in theory. i have no facts to bak it up just wat he told me works for him. makes sense in a way he said in the dark time hell actually see lil pistils startin up and when the lights come on the plants are ready to kik off flower faster.

but do wat ure doin bro experiment with ur strain and setup see wat works best for u and ur room. mostly everyone on here knows what theyre talkin bout and done shit that works.

Drella · Dec 22, 2009

d.c. beard said:
You can run 24/0, 20/4, 18/6, and probably 16/8 without the plants going into flower. You risk them going into flower at 14 hrs or less of light each day.

I don't think any schedule really stresses the plants any more than the rest as long as you stick to it, but inconsistency in the amount of daylight that your plants receive can make them hermie. Shrubs sounds like he def knows what he's talking about, so I would take his advice on having at least some amount of darkness in your regimen next time around. I run 18/6 to keep the electric bill down, but I have of course heard that this is better for the plants than 24/0.

In the long run, I would suggest that you assess your goals and run your lighting schedule accordingly. If you want to flip your plants as fast as possible and turn-around is a top priority, then run 24/0 and they will grow bigger and quicker in veg which will allow you to throw them into flower quicker. If you have a little more time to play with and speed through veg isn't as much of an issue then run 18/6 maybe. It's really just all about how long you want the plants to take to reach a pre-determined goal of size before you flip them into flower. Whatever you decide just stick to it.

And if your leaves are drooping an hour before 'sunset' the first thing that comes to my mind is that they probably need to be watered. Plants use the moisture in their substrate to pump sugars and other chemicals up the stalk and to the leaves/buds while they are photosynthesizing. The water will disappear much more quickly when the lights are on. Also, with the lights and fans on there is less humidity and the environment is much drier which equates to your substrate drying out even quicker as well. Drooping leaves with no other sign of damage usually just means they need to be watered.

thanks dc, love the new avatar! youre right about shrubs, he's very well read on the green. it got me how he said they need the dark during veg for photosynthesis. it's true, nowhere in nature is there 24/0 naturally!
it's also wierd because i thought my plants were super happy the first time around, not dry. when the light would kick up, so would they. i have also heard of a lot of people speak of this "phenomenan" droop before lights out. all i know is they're not doing that at all this time, they look like they're on steroids!

Drella · Dec 22, 2009

BooMeR242 said:
-you're right man, i did 18/6 last time, and it worked out great. im so paranoid this time around, so im gonna 24/0 the whole veg. i feel once i 12/12 em they'll immediately start flower! also there will be 4 different strains. i don't know about you guys, but im super excited to see their differences!

---haha i figured u were faded. i thought it was me that was too high readin and had to reread it a couple times before i called u out on it haha. no offense just makin sure were on the same page thats all.

but ya everyones gona have info thats correct about runnin veg for 24/0 and 18/6. i do agree that ruinning a HID lamp is better 18/6 cuz it saves power and allows cool down etc. i also agree and the manager at the collective im friends with whos done 4 years of vending and more years of cultivation said he likes doin 24/0 the whole veg time til he flips to flower and will sumtiems go 72 hours darkness before 12/12 comes on. this helps induce flwoering faster in theory. i have no facts to bak it up just wat he told me works for him. makes sense in a way he said in the dark time hell actually see lil pistils startin up and when the lights come on the plants are ready to kik off flower faster.

but do wat ure doin bro experiment with ur strain and setup see wat works best for u and ur room. mostly everyone on here knows what theyre talkin bout and done shit that works.

yeah i've heard of that 72hr dark before you throw them in bloom, thinking about doing that too.

tom__420 · Dec 22, 2009

Drella said:
yeah i've heard of that 72hr dark before you throw them in bloom, thinking about doing that too.

I think you would be better off starting the plants on bloom nutes for a few days before switching to flower. I think that the bloom nutes and bloom light schedule would work much better than 72 hours in darkness. I would think you would get a lot of stretch and a little bit of stress as well

Drella · Dec 22, 2009

been real busy lately, finally got my job back, weird how things happen! so im not gonna loose my house, and now this grows gonna get real fun, why don't you join me? plants in the back bounced back from fimm, bushed out like the 70's! i foliar feed them twice a day with full strength superthrive and veg nutes, don't know if this helps, but man they look nice! last pic of pre flowers, yeah guys, i couldn't be happier.

need your guys thoughts on when to throw in flower, weight is not a huge issue now, or time. but i don't want complications either, just as smooth a first harvest as i can handle!

BooMeR242 · Dec 22, 2009

Drella said:
been real busy lately, finally got my job back, weird how things happen! so im not gonna loose my house, and now this grows gonna get real fun, why don't you join me? plants in the back bounced back from fimm, bushed out like the 70's! i foliar feed them twice a day with full strength superthrive and veg nutes, don't know if this helps, but man they look nice! last pic of pre flowers, yeah guys, i couldn't be happier.

need your guys thoughts on when to throw in flower, weight is not a huge issue now, or time. but i don't want complications either, just as smooth a first harvest as i can handle!

glad to hear brotha! good news. havin extra funds is always a good thing. i suppose keepin ur pad doesnt hurt either

anyways glad u can relax and just have a fun grow too. how many internodes were there before u FIMed? im thinkin bout tryin the pinch method this round

Drella · Dec 22, 2009

tom__420 said:
I think you would be better off starting the plants on bloom nutes for a few days before switching to flower. I think that the bloom nutes and bloom light schedule would work much better than 72 hours in darkness. I would think you would get a lot of stretch and a little bit of stress as well

you are the man tom, great advice. dark, or less brilliance of light=stretch=stress. great advice, just what i needed, thanks man!

Drella · Dec 22, 2009

BooMeR242 said:
glad to hear brotha! good news. havin extra funds is always a good thing. i suppose keepin ur pad doesnt hurt either

anyways glad u can relax and just have a fun grow too. how many internodes were there before u FIMed? im thinkin bout tryin the pinch method this round

they were all diffent, but all 6'' from bottom growth. i have indica, indica/sativa blend, and sativa clones. but i fimmed them, because the thought of a super heavy main cola, is not super appealing. i like the thought of a bush. i got over my height fear, because i know i can tie the tall colas down if i have to. the scog idea just seemed to constructive and intense for my first time. thanks for the well wishes, so im buying the beers when we celebrate my harvest/your room getting functional and smelly!

BooMeR242 · Dec 22, 2009

Drella said:
they were all diffent, but all 6'' from bottom growth. i have indica, indica/sativa blend, and sativa clones. but i fimmed them, because the thought of a super heavy main cola, is not super appealing. i like the thought of a bush. i got over my height fear, because i know i can tie the tall colas down if i have to. the scog idea just seemed to constructive and intense for my first time. thanks for the well wishes, so im buying the beers when we celebrate my harvest/your room getting functional and smelly!

haha ya im down! but ya im over heighth now. did huge grow outdoors and weakass popcorn buds from middle down. waste of space and nutes... but indoor a lil diff but ya focus on multple colas

d.c. beard · Dec 23, 2009

Hey those were all clones right? They all look good but what's up with the one little one on the far right that looks like a seedling? It looks like it's having a harder time than the rest...

Someguy15 · Dec 23, 2009

How's it going Drella? I too was considering 24 hours of dark or more, but decided it's just not worth it. Either way it takes time to switch from veg to bloom and I've yet to see anything that actually proves extra dark makes them flower faster. I just switched it one night and within a week most of the plants were in flower. My early girl already put on some bud in the first week alone. Anyhow I'd skip the extra darkness but I think you came to that conclusion.

Are you going to lolipop? I choose not to on my first grow, but I am seriously considering doing Scrog with female clones. If I do scrog, I know I will need to prune everything off below the screen. How are your feelings about scrog, gonna give it a whirl next round?

Can't wait to see your girls in flower!

Drella · Dec 23, 2009

BooMeR242 said:
haha ya im down! but ya im over heighth now. did huge grow outdoors and weakass popcorn buds from middle down. waste of space and nutes... but indoor a lil diff but ya focus on multple colas

for sure, im sure you'll refine your skills indoor. get your nute recipe down, there'll be some things you add, and lessen. but super exciting.

Drella · Dec 23, 2009

d.c. beard said:
Hey those were all clones right? They all look good but what's up with the one little one on the far right that looks like a seedling? It looks like it's having a harder time than the rest...

thanks dc! yeah the ones in the front weren't rooted when i first got em. so i feel pretty confident growing now. i recooped them, enough to get a strong root system started. when i transplante them, super thick fuzzy white roots. just a couple of weeks behind the rest. but great to keep thinks perpetual. i plan on throwing the four big ones in flower within a week maybe, after taking clones off of them. the other four might end up becoming mothers, i might turn one or two sog, (throw them in flower in a week or two) i just want to fill the bloom room out. four plants might not fill out the room all the way, so i might throw some littler ones in there for some sog on the side? any comments?

Drella · Dec 23, 2009

Someguy15 said:
How's it going Drella? I too was considering 24 hours of dark or more, but decided it's just not worth it. Either way it takes time to switch from veg to bloom and I've yet to see anything that actually proves extra dark makes them flower faster. I just switched it one night and within a week most of the plants were in flower. My early girl already put on some bud in the first week alone. Anyhow I'd skip the extra darkness but I think you came to that conclusion.

Are you going to lolipop? I choose not to on my first grow, but I am seriously considering doing Scrog with female clones. If I do scrog, I know I will need to prune everything off below the screen. How are your feelings about scrog, gonna give it a whirl next round?

Can't wait to see your girls in flower!

SG15, i take everything you say to heart. i research a lot, but it always seems like you did your homework, always good advice! yeah, im gonna skip the dark before flower thing.

im for sure gonna lollypop before flower, gonna make some clones with the bottom cuttings. to be honest if i get more than an oz a plant this time around, i might not consider the scrog. i know it sounds lazy, but i do soil because of the low maintenance. don't get me wrong, i love spending time with my ladies, but i also love their low maintenance. i would consider sog though, shubs first has an awesome soiless sog grow goimg on right now, dude it's all nug, no stretch, and low height.

d.c. beard · Dec 23, 2009

Drella said:
thanks dc! yeah the ones in the front weren't rooted when i first got em. so i feel pretty confident growing now. i recooped them, enough to get a strong root system started. when i transplante them, super thick fuzzy white roots. just a couple of weeks behind the rest. but great to keep thinks perpetual. i plan on throwing the four big ones in flower within a week maybe, after taking clones off of them. the other four might end up becoming mothers, i might turn one or two sog, (throw them in flower in a week or two) i just want to fill the bloom room out. four plants might not fill out the room all the way, so i might throw some littler ones in there for some sog on the side? any comments?

The worst part about growing perpetually (IMO) is the always uneven canopy. I guess you could put the younger ones up on some sort of adjustable stand and keep dropping it down as they stretch, but it's just a pain in the ass if you ask me. My buddy grows perpetually and his canopy is all over the place.

If it were me I would just keep em in veg until the front ones look about like the ones in the rear, topping the taller ones when necessary to keep them about the same height as the shorter ones, and then take your cuts off the bottom of the younger ones and the tops of the older ones, then flower em all at the same time SOG style with an even canopy. Grow your clones slowly and they'll be about the perfect height to flip by the time your ones in flower are finishing up. I always recommend waiting until your plants' secondary growth has secondary growth to flower. That way you'll be sure to have plenty of bud sites to fill up with nugs. It's really all about producing 'bud sites' before you flip em into flower. When you switch to flower the plant basically stops producing bud sites (since it's not growing vegetatively anymore) and instead starts producing calyxes at its existing bud sites. So you have to go into flower with the amount of bud sites that you want, so that they fill up with the amount of bud that you want. Savvy?

Drella · Dec 23, 2009

excellent advice d.c.! you push the even canopy harder than anyone, and it makes sense! im so antsy to get my first harvest down, i know what will eventually happen, this harvest will have an uneven canopy, but after my first harvest, ill defn keep it even. can't blame a guy for just wanting to see for himself what all the hype's about!

Drella · Dec 23, 2009

wft! new growths have been coming out with tiny white dots on top and bottom since the beginning. it hasn't spread to any other plants. what is it. the leaves grow funky, all leaves congregate to the middle or the leaf. kinda crinkly. kinda bumpy leaves. this is a different strain than the rest, and it was totally revegged.

tom__420 · Dec 23, 2009

Doesn't look like thrips
It could be spider mites maybe, do you see any webbing?
Do you have a microscope so that you can look closer to see if there is any bugs/larvae?

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