Nye vs Ken right now, don't miss it.

midgetaus said:
So is that what you do.. guess and that means its true?
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No, just because I guess at something, doesnt make it true.

But, most of the Christians, Theists, and all of the creationists believe God created the universe, that would be the majority of people. So I would agree with the majority on this assumption. But what does the majority of people know?

it also leaves the point that what created the creator?
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Thats a very good question, that I am not qualified to answer, plus, they dont pay Me enough to blog, thats above My pay grade, lol.

There has to be an origional God, or not. I could care less if God exists or not, it doesnt seem like Hes helping Me in any way, anyways. But I would love for there to be a God that helps everyone, even the Atheists.

~PEACE~
 
Nevaeh420 said:
No, just because I guess at something, doesnt make it true.

But, most of the Christians, Theists, and all of the creationists believe God created the universe, that would be the majority of people. So I would agree with the majority on this assumption. But what does the majority of people know?



Thats a very good question, that I am not qualified to answer, plus, they dont pay Me enough to blog, thats above My pay grade, lol.

There has to be an origional God, or not. I could care less if God exists or not, it doesnt seem like Hes helping Me in any way, anyways. But I would love for there to be a God that helps everyone, even the Atheists.

~PEACE~
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Just wanted to reply with quote to this post to preserve it. I may want to pull some new siggy material from it at a later date...
 
tyler.durden said:
Just wanted to reply with quote to this post to preserve it. I may want to pull some new siggy material from it at a later date...
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I guess its your "right" to quote anything I say: and its your "right" to put anything in your signature.

Its not like Im trying to hide anything, I have been more then open and honest about My Life, including the "bad" parts too.

After all, we are all blogging on PUBLIC FORUMS.

~PEACE~
 
Nevaeh420 said:
I guess its your "right" to quote anything I say: and its your "right" to put anything in your signature.

Its not like Im trying to hide anything, I have been more then open and honest about My Life, including the "bad" parts too.

After all, we are all blogging on PUBLIC FORUMS.

~PEACE~
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Yes. Similarly, it is your right to be a bully and force your same, tired text into almost everyone's threads. It is also your right to try to make every subject that comes onto this sub-forum all about you, no matter how discourteous it is. You know that you are boring as you only have two things to say, and they're both delusions. Without them, it seems you think that no one would pay attention to you. Anyway, I'll make you a deal; you stop your shit and I'll stop mine...
 
tyler.durden said:
Yes. Similarly, it is your right to be a bully and force your same, tired text into almost everyone's threads. It is also your right to try to make every subject that comes onto this sub-forum all about you, no matter how discourteous it is. You know that you are boring as you only have two things to say, and they're both delusions. Without them, it seems you think that no one would pay attention to you. Anyway, I'll make you a deal; you stop your shit and I'll stop mine...
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I cant change you and you cant change Me.

Im going to continue to say whats on My mind: you might not like what I have to say, but I dont always like what you have to say.

We are on totally different levels, Tyler. Your ideology is totally different then Mine. Your agenda is totally different then Mine. What you want is totally different then what I want.

You do and say what you want, I cant stop you from that; I will also do and say what I want. What you say only reflects you, what I say only reflects Me.

I dont want to change you, I just wish you would try and understand where Im coming from, as I try and understand you.

I dont try and "bully" anyone. I dont TRY and hijack threads; I simply reply to peoples comments about Me.

Youre a good guy, do what you want, you know whats best for you. Youre a smart guy, use your intellect and discern whats right from wrong.

Always, be yourself and be true to yourself. Im not going to tell you what to say, and I expect the same from you.

~PEACE~
 
Nevaeh420 said:
I cant change you and you cant change Me.

Im going to continue to say whats on My mind: you might not like what I have to say, but I dont always like what you have to say.

We are on totally different levels, Tyler. Your ideology is totally different then Mine. Your agenda is totally different then Mine. What you want is totally different then what I want.

You do and say what you want, I cant stop you from that; I will also do and say what I want. What you say only reflects you, what I say only reflects Me.

I dont want to change you, I just wish you would try and understand where Im coming from, as I try and understand you.

I dont try and "bully" anyone. I dont TRY and hijack threads; I simply reply to peoples comments about Me.

Youre a good guy, do what you want, you know whats best for you. Youre a smart guy, use your intellect and discern whats right from wrong.

Always, be yourself and be true to yourself. Im not going to tell you what to say, and I expect the same from you.

~PEACE~
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Yet, here we are in a thread intended to be about a debate and we're talking about you. While your intention may not have been to hijack another thread, your inability to not talk about yourself and to tell when you are taking over the topic results in the same thing. You are taking advantage of my good nature because I think you have the right to discuss things on here, but you ignore my warnings to keep your personal delusions in your own thread. Just because I don't have the right to force you to not discuss your prophecies doesn't mean you have the right to make everyone listen. Have some courtesy, think about what your are saying, and ask yourself if it is appropriate. You have said that you do not discuss these things with people in person because you understand they don't want to hear it, start showing some of that same discretion here. Once you stop being disingenuous then you will be free to comment on topics like these without people suspecting you are hijacking. As it stands, you have demonstrated that anything you say is a ruse to steer the topic to be about yourself.
 
Nevaeh420 said:
No, just because I guess at something, doesnt make it true.

But, most of the Christians, Theists, and all of the creationists believe God created the universe, that would be the majority of people. So I would agree with the majority on this assumption. But what does the majority of people know?



Thats a very good question, that I am not qualified to answer, plus, they dont pay Me enough to blog, thats above My pay grade, lol.

There has to be an origional God, or not. I could care less if God exists or not, it doesnt seem like Hes helping Me in any way, anyways. But I would love for there to be a God that helps everyone, even the Atheists.

~PEACE~
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There was a time when the "majority" of people thought the world was flat...There was a time when the "majority" of people thought the sun revolved around the earth so by all means,,, go with the majority... how could the majority be wrong... right?
 
midgetaus said:
There was a time when the "majority" of people thought the world was flat...There was a time when the "majority" of people thought the sun revolved around the earth so by all means,,, go with the majority... how could the majority be wrong... right?
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Science isn't a majority. :D
 
Heisenberg said:
Yet, here we are in a thread intended to be about a debate and we're talking about you. While your intention may not have been to hijack another thread, your inability to not talk about yourself and to tell when you are taking over the topic results in the same thing. You are taking advantage of my good nature because I think you have the right to discuss things on here, but you ignore my warnings to keep your personal delusions in your own thread. Just because I don't have the right to force you to not discuss your prophecies doesn't mean you have the right to make everyone listen. Have some courtesy, think about what your are saying, and ask yourself if it is appropriate. You have said that you do not discuss these things with people in person because you understand they don't want to hear it, start showing some of that same discretion here. Once you stop being disingenuous then you will be free to comment on topics like these without people suspecting you are hijacking. As it stands, you have demonstrated that anything you say is a ruse to steer the topic to be about yourself.
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I woke up, read this, and had to wipe away a tear. Thank you, Heis, I'm gonna come back to your post a rep it when I'm able...
 
tyler.durden said:
Good vid, Pad. This must have taken place before the news about Hamm's serendipitous funding came out, I'd like to see the video after that was released ;)
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Damn, good point, same here! I wonder what Nye would say about that..

What do you think? Do you think people like him should engage with creationists in debates like this or do you think it causes more harm than good, in the big picture?
 
Padawanbater2 said:

Damn, good point, same here! I wonder what Nye would say about that..

What do you think? Do you think people like him should engage with creationists in debates like this or do you think it causes more harm than good, in the big picture?
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You know, Pad, I'm really not sure at this point. Most of me says no, most of the heavies don't engage because they feel that not only is it a waste of time, it also legitimizes the oppositions POV, esp. to the layman. But they are the majority, so how can we not engage at all? If we good men do nothing, won't evil win? What are your thoughts?
 
tyler.durden said:
You know, Pad, I'm really not sure at this point. Most of me says no, most of the heavies don't engage because they feel that not only is it a waste of time, it also legitimizes the oppositions POV, esp. to the layman. But they are the majority, so how can we not engage at all? If we good men do nothing, won't evil win? What are your thoughts?
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I think it is an arrogant and condescending attitude and I find it as irritating as those who ask "what's the harm" when dealing with alt med. This is a serious problem with scientific academics and it is the reason that the skeptic movement is left to deal with these issues instead of the proper authorities. If scientists are not willing to engage in science communication then they shouldn't be surprised when the science is not accepted.
 
Heisenberg said:
I think it is an arrogant and condescending attitude and I find it as irritating as those who ask "what's the harm" when dealing with alt med. This is a serious problem with scientific academics and it is the reason that the skeptic movement is left to deal with these issues instead of the proper authorities. If scientists are not willing to engage in science communication then they shouldn't be surprised when the science is not accepted.
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I definitely see where you're coming from, Heis. It seems that after each such debate, each side comes out even more entrenched in their position. But is it disheartening to hear people who were on the fence comment things like, 'that Ham is a great speaker, and has some really good points...' and, "Nye really isn't that funny..." It reminds me of the audience of a political debate, laymen seem to judge the characteristics of the participants rather than study the actual issues, and science is neither a debate nor a democracy. At the same time, it seemed strange to me that Oxford's Professor for the Public Understanding of Science (Dawkins) would refuse to engage creationists, which is a large part of the public. Maybe he feels that debating creationists is useless because there is no place to start the dialog (ala the Harris quote of valuing logic and evidence), and that he may be assisting in creating new creationists by giving them a larger stage for their nonsense. I still don't know what to think...
 
He feels like debating creationists lends false credibility to their cause. A creationist could say "well why would he even bother if it wasn't true?" the whole "why does he care?" BS a lot of us have to deal with. I've been told "Well if you didn't think it was real you wouldn't care about it at all, I don't see you talking about Santa Clause as much as you do about God/religion/atheism"
 
I can see why someone, Dawkins for example, may not want to personally debate, but I don't understand those who rally against giving any attention at all to these views. If the Ham/Nye debate was less than successful, then we need to examine what went wrong and improve it. I often hear from the science-minded that we should just let these views flap in the wind, but that underestimates the power these groups have to influence the public. Anti-vaxxers are masters of persuasive rhetoric, and if you look at the public's opinion of genetic engineering it reveals a staggering misunderstanding of genetics and agriculture which is being exploited by the antis. These views need to be countered and marginalized. Perhaps a hyped-up spectator debate isn't the answer, but too many scientists are using that to decide the answer is to ignore the problem.
 
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