NUBE HERE !!! Help Appreciated

once you fix the plants up you can still flower if they look healthy



ok so your saying you flushed them a lot and the ppm went from 800 to 650 ppm right?



ok so im assuming that you pour water on the cubes and then the water drains into the the res?

so the flushed stuff inside the cube ended up in you res on the bottom and thats why your ppm is high again right?



if yes then yes keep flushing them, if you can get it down to 300 ppm it will be good.


im not expirianced in your style grow so im a lil confused

however do what you gotta to so that your water and plants are nice and flushed and reading about 300ppm

you seem to know your shit for a newb so im sure you will pull through this.

just the trial an error thing sucks

but get you ppms down,

like i said your plants are about 3-5" right? well you could grow them to 1 ft tall easy without even using nutes.

so lets try to get rid of them. once you see improvemnet start them at a low ppm

but alwasy keep in mind they dont even need food, so start slow,

it will take them forever to starve to death cuz i always keep my mom plant at like 100 ppm and she hates it but she lives


wait a min you said you got 2 2000 watters? what you got on the plants right now as far as lights and how far away are they from the plants.

Big P said:

once you fix the plants up you can still flower if they look healthy



ok so your saying you flushed them a lot and the ppm went from 800 to 650 ppm right?



ok so im assuming that you pour water on the cubes and then the water drains into the the res?

so the flushed stuff inside the cube ended up in you res on the bottom and thats why your ppm is high again right?



if yes then yes keep flushing them, if you can get it down to 300 ppm it will be good.


im not expirianced in your style grow so im a lil confused

however do what you gotta to so that your water and plants are nice and flushed and reading about 300ppm

you seem to know your shit for a newb so im sure you will pull through this.

just the trial an error thing sucks

but get you ppms down,

like i said your plants are about 3-5" right? well you could grow them to 1 ft tall easy without even using nutes.

so lets try to get rid of them. once you see improvemnet start them at a low ppm

but alwasy keep in mind they dont even need food, so start slow,

it will take them forever to starve to death cuz i always keep my mom plant at like 100 ppm and she hates it but she lives


wait a min you said you got 2 2000 watters? what you got on the plants right now as far as lights and how far away are they from the plants.

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Big P Yes I have a 1000w MH and a 1000 watt HPS, both are air/fan vented out of the room/building and each have tempered glass to hold the heat in...

MH comes on at 6 am
HPS comes on at 7 am
MH goes off at 11pm
HPS goes off at midnight

right now the lights are 32 inches from the "canopy" The temps are 80 at "ground" level (rockwoll)

I understand that with my ventalation they can be alot closer but if I get them to around say 18 inches away its like 87 degrees for the radiant heat. The room is still about 82.5 though.

For right now I am keeping them at about 32 inches...

Its 6 PM

I feed at 6-12-6

I will be back shortly I am going to flush I got 40 gallons of RO water this afternoon...

Hopeful Beginner

Thanks for all your feedback Big I am very suprised I cant get anyone elses feedback... Back in about an hour or so ciao.

Big P said:

sup man, seems you got a lot of things going on


note that less is better than too much



you dont want to meddle too too much

my water starts at 75 ppm if your clones are like 6" tall you dont want to go more than about 300 PPM depending on strain

i do DWC and there is a sure fire way to know exactly if there is too much or too little nutes in your res.


say you nuted up your res and tested it and its at 500 ppm

say you come back 2 days later and can see the plants drank some water.

so you test the ppm again after they drank water

if the plants drank water and now the ppm has decreased to say 450 ppm

then you know your plants are sucking up more nutes than water and that meens you need to up the ppms a lil

but if you see the plant drank water but the ppm is higher say like 600 ppm now

that tells you that your plants are sucking up more water than nutes which means your mix is too strong and the plant is leaving nutes behind and just trying to get the water

if the plants drank water and the ppm is still the same it means they are drinking same amount of water as nutes and you are at a good feedling level for the time being.


anyway I also recommend doing DWC deep water culture its the easyest Hydroponics system to use and grows real fast and huge.

and also allows you to use the above method for feeding.

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Hey bro how's it going. Big P is right on. Listen to his advice, especially

"note that less is better than too much
you don't want to meddle too too much".

Relax it will come around just don't go chasing things all over. You've made some of the obvious newbie mistakes already so now hopefully there behind you now. A few more to go and you'll be moving ahead in no time. Don't sweat the small stuff. Learn and move on. Like I said earlier, keep them happy til your setup gets there and ready to move them in . Start slow and work up slowly. Small steps at a time and not to many changes at the same time.

cazador said:

Hey bro how's it going. Big P is right on. Listen to his advice, especially

"note that less is better than too much
you don't want to meddle too too much".

Relax it will come around just don't go chasing things all over. You've made some of the obvious newbie mistakes already so now hopefully there behind you now. A few more to go and you'll be moving ahead in no time. Don't sweat the small stuff. Learn and move on. Like I said earlier, keep them happy til your setup gets there and ready to move them in . Start slow and work up slowly. Small steps at a time and not to many changes at the same time.

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Thanks again Cazador; I am a self starter. Always try to take my own initiative. Thats why I waited 4-5 weeks before posting (asking for help). I figure I didnt become a network engineer overnight and I aint gonna become a master ganja grower on my first attempt either. Its just disapointing because I did SOOOO much research. Oh well like you say my man; live and learn... I am flushing them now.

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BeginnersLuck said:

Thanks again Cazador; I am a self starter. Always try to take my own initiative. Thats why I waited 4-5 weeks before posting (asking for help). I figure I didnt become a network engineer overnight and I aint gonna become a master ganja grower on my first attempt either. Its just disapointing because I did SOOOO much research. Oh well like you say my man; live and learn... I am flushing them now.

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I hear you. What I'm saying is your soooo close and not to be disappointed. At the same time I'm saying don't over tweak things either. Like trouble shooting problems on a network. Use a logical approach and test one thing at a time to isolate the source of the trouble. Keep it simple have fun and patients and you will be rewarded.

OK I have an update to my situation. I drained my res again and added fresh RO water. I buy it at wallworld and it has a ph of about 4.83. For some reason I dont know; it takes FOREVER to get the ph meter to level off with that water without any buffers.

Oh yeah by now....

So i drained the res, added new RO water. PPM 45 PH 5.32 after adding 1ml of ph up. Fed for 20 minutes. Tray runoff was PPM 500, ph 5.72.

Res hour after feeding ppm 455, ph 5.75.

So my PH has stayed more stable then I am used to seeing it. I have noticed that the plants seem to be stretching a bit more today?

I guess I will dump my res again and add some more RO water the $tuff aint cheap. But neither is good smoke where I live and even harder for me to find in my old isolation.

And try to flush for tomarrow mornings feeding and then hopefully get that PPM low enough.

Then what is next? Do I mix up a nute soultion in my res that is around 300 and then try to watch the PH, ppms and water levels again for the ideal equalibrium*?

Thanks...

let's see if Big P chimes in with an answer for this one. I'm a soil guy. I keep it simple and low tech. Less to fail and things don't go wrong to quickly, on the other hand it takes a bit longer to see and react to things too.
I'd say your on the right track though. Get it down and stabilized, then add a small amount of nutes to bring your PPM up toa low-optimum level and work from there. Good luck. Buying water seems a bit extreme is your tap water that bad?

OK so update...

I drained the res agin this morning except for maybe an inch of solution. I added back 10 gallons of fresh RO water. After ph balance to 5.3 and adding 25ml of H202 I had a PPM of 120.

Some of the larger plants are more droopy this morning; I was flushing them for 20-30 minutes this morning I flushed for 15-20 minutes only.

I didnt have time to collect data from the tray but my res an hour after feeding was ppm 360 and ph 6.01. I seem to have alot harder PH swings during that first morning feeding opposed to the noon and 6 pm.

additionally the plants all look a bit yellower today. Some of the lower ones really define a green vain. Is this a concern cause it looks bad but I dont know if that is expected. Also you know how fan leaves have the jagged edges; while on some of the plants its like the jags are sticking upward, like your hair if you have alot of static or something... I have read this is heat or wind issue but the environment for the most part is the same... Just the water is different. I know plants show stress on their leaves so I am wondering...

I also found out that at the earliest my ebb and grow add ons will be here in Monday. So I am waiting to transplant til Monday it seems.

Then I plan on using my existing drip system in a veg room and using the ebb and grow in a flower room. The two room system !

I started cleaning/preparing the hydroton for the transplant...

I have also attached a pic of how I am handwatering....

At this point I guess I will fill a full res with new fresh RO water and ppm it to about 300ish and then watch the levels?

Thanks all for your feedback in advanced. kiss-ass

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cazador said:

let's see if Big P chimes in with an answer for this one. I'm a soil guy. I keep it simple and low tech. Less to fail and things don't go wrong to quickly, on the other hand it takes a bit longer to see and react to things too.
I'd say your on the right track though. Get it down and stabilized, then add a small amount of nutes to bring your PPM up toa low-optimum level and work from there. Good luck. Buying water seems a bit extreme is your tap water that bad?

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Caz when I was using tap water I was putting a TON of PH down in it. My tap is like PH 8.25 and PPM 230... Its the PH that is a bitch... The RO water if you followed along allows me to use 1-2 ml of buffer opposed to ouces.. Thats why I choose to switch to RO water. Its $.73 a gallon. A quart of the Ph down is like 15 bucks. Seemed like a no brainer to me... ?

Plus I am using the Lucas recipe and it works best ( from what I read) with RO water.

Cheers

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It's hard to tell by the pix. Can you change the exposure on your camera. Longer exposure would help get rid of the scan bars in the pic. Anyway it is also hard to tell from here what is going on. I do feel for you bro. I'd have to go out on a limb and say your over-watering. They can breath.. Rockwool holds large amounts of water, your plants are young and now stunted so they are not drinking too much at the moment. Stop watering for a day or two. Don't let them dry completely but get them (roots)some air. Just a guess, but that's my diagnoses for now.

BeginnersLuck said:

Caz when I was using tap water I was putting a TON of PH down in it. My tap is like PH 8.25 and PPM 230... Its the PH that is a bitch... The RO water if you followed along allows me to use 1-2 ml of buffer opposed to ouces.. Thats why I choose to switch to RO water. Its $.73 a gallon. A quart of the Ph down is like 15 bucks. Seemed like a no brainer to me... ?

Plus I am using the Lucas recipe and it works best ( from what I read) with RO water.

Cheers

Beginner

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I see. Beginner, "Lucas Formula". I see you like challenges. If for some reason you fail which I don't think you will (you seem determined) but if you do. I suggest trying a soil/soil-less mix growing (Pro-Mix). Get the 3 or 5 gal "smart pots" fill with a good potting soil and water and feed when needed. easy, no pumps to fail, no res to heat/cool........ just my $.02

ooops, I am in the DWC thread. disclaimer> Nothing wrong with DWC it works great. Fun to do with fabulous results when all is dialed in. I am just suggesting to a new grower to get an easier grow under the belt before attempting to try DWC. Or do a side by side. At least you'll get some good bud from one or the other. Better yet off both.

cazador said:

It's hard to tell by the pix. Can you change the exposure on your camera. Longer exposure would help get rid of the scan bars in the pic. Anyway it is also hard to tell from here what is going on. I do feel for you bro. I'd have to go out on a limb and say your over-watering. They can breath.. Rockwool holds large amounts of water, your plants are young and now stunted so they are not drinking too much at the moment. Stop watering for a day or two. Don't let them dry completely but get them (roots)some air. Just a guess, but that's my diagnoses for now.

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They seem to drink about 2-3 gallons a day when I was feeding them with high PPM.. At least my res was dropping about an inch a day..

My camera is just my LG 500 smart phone... Its not a true camera. I looked at the settings it will allow me to change the pixel to something none HD but I didnt see exposure settings...

You think the plants are over watered huh? Hmmm

BeginnersLuck said:

They seem to drink about 2-3 gallons a day when I was feeding them with high PPM.. At least my res was dropping about an inch a day..

My camera is just my LG 500 smart phone... Its not a true camera. I looked at the settings it will allow me to change the pixel to something none HD but I didnt see exposure settings...

You think the plants are over watered huh? Hmmm

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I'm not sure if they are over watered as I'm not there day to day but looking at there size and seeing they are a bit troubled and your description of what the leaves are doing, That's what I think at the moment. Watering 3 or more times a day and running HID lights can evaporate quite a bit of watter. If your running a humidifier you might want to turn it off too.

When you get things into the DWC, you'll have enough O2 in the water to make them happy.

cazador said:

I'm not sure if they are over watered as I'm not there day to day but looking at there size and seeing they are a bit troubled and your description of what the leaves are doing, That's what I think at the moment. Watering 3 or more times a day and running HID lights can evaporate quite a bit of watter. If your running a humidifier you might want to turn it off too.

When you get things into the DWC, you'll have enough O2 in the water to make them happy.

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Ok I have a slight update...

4.25 hours after feeding/flushing them again the leaves that were droopy are perky now.. However more of those jags are spiking upwards?? WTF????

I found that if I take some of my IR Block and hold it over my camera lens it minimizes the lines....

Additionally my new burn is minimal as well; where other mornings there was more....

I do have a humidifier in the room. Its winter here and the humidity is less then 20% in the room without it running. With it running its only about 33-60%.

I also have a heater that kicks on from 1 am to 5 am that keeps the room 65 ich at night otherwise it would be like 49-57 down there. I have my garden in the basement... Anyways have a look at the pics...

Thank you very much.

Should I change the tags on my thread? I wany get more help from people that have used lucas and drip and whatnot.. Also I am not going into a DWC system I am going into the Cap ebb and grow that is a ebb/flow flood and drain system..

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I hope he/she dont get pissed but I sent a private message to ThegreenThumbSucker. He was basically what inspired me that and not being able to find good herbage oh yeah the mr green vids I love that guy. Anyways GreenThumbSucker uses the ebb and grow, I have seen him do some drip grows and he uses the Lucas "recipe" I have never seen a fomula you can fuck up LOL... my 2 cents
Dude seems like an expert and I am hoping he will have a look...

I have grown hydro before but it has been 15 years since my last one... What can I say the econmy will make a man do some funny things..

Thanks again


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Yes, you should start a new thread or change the name so we can get more help involved. I can see theses pix better. They are looking very pale let's keep an eye on the new growth. If your humidity is staying at or below 55% then I guess the humidifier is of no concern at the moment. Let me know if you start a new thread so I can follow along.

cazador said:

Yes, you should start a new thread or change the name so we can get more help involved. I can see theses pix better. They are looking very pale let's keep an eye on the new growth. If your humidity is staying at or below 55% then I guess the humidifier is of no concern at the moment. Let me know if you start a new thread so I can follow along.

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Yeah this is how they looked before I started bumping them up to 800ppm... Remember I do use 2 x 1000w HIDS.

Should I I switch to a 2 x day watering for now I am wondering til they get transplanted and the roots can start growing again... The roots are popping out the bottom on the rockwool... They dont sit in any water... The bottom of the rockwool is always wet and the roots look very white. But they are skinny and dont have much substance to them...? I do use H202 (food Grade) at the tune of 2-7 ml a gal. Right now more on the 2-4ml/gal

I changed the tags up to include lucas and yellow hopefully that will get in some more quarries... How can I change the title do you know? Also if I create another thread should I just link back here?

Thanks...

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Anyone out there?

I think their the good kind.. I have seen their nests in my basement I didnt destroy them all just 90% of them.. Its warming up here in the Midwest.... They are coming about. They are good right? I dont think they are lady bugs but that lady asian beatle. Its an intrusive species I believe they bite.. Been told they are meat eaters only? Anyone know?

Thanks...

Also Since I started flushing yesterday one of my planst has grown more then an inch in height. Should I drop my lights a bit.. Say to about 24 inches?

Also I have not heard anything from anyone yet...

I am planning on switching out my res and adding back a full res of RO/300 PPM water and beginning a 2 x day feeding schedule until I transplant on Monday and after that see more root growth outside the cubes into the buckets...


Thanks...

Yes, start a new thread and give a brief summery as you did but with a more descriptive subject. I'm not sure what your watering schedule should be at this point. You say you have roots coming out of the rockwool, well let's see what others say here. I haven't used rockwool. I'm thinking that they are staying wet, to let them lighten up a bit before re-watering so yes less waterings, but if you were in lava or clay I'd say water every two hours day and night and you'd fill the try with roots.