Nonbelievers, how did you lose your religion?

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tip top toker

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Doer said:
Sarcasm is not that appealing, but you are welcome to it. There are not any social records of ocean comet strikes except this one in the dim beginning of recorded history. Are there?
I don't think so.
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This is nothing to do with ocean comet strikes. My point is that It seems that some people think that if there was this massive flood, and nothing of it's scale since, then it can only have been an act of god, so let us look at some of the craters around from commet strikes, there have been none of that magnitude since either, so as such it is perfectly arguable that these commet strikes were accts fo god as well, else we'd be seeing more of the same force.

In short, shit happens, stop trying to attribute it to god based on nothing more than it being a bit more than is normally experienced.
 
Doer

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That is so absolutely true that you cannot rule out the hand of God, even logically, right? So, a bigger question is why care about being right?
And why care if you are being baited, when you recognize that? Why care to have an emotional reactiion about it when we disagree among strangers?
 
BustinScales510

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I never really had much faith. My parents weren't very religious..but they sent me to a private Lutheran school because they said it would be a better education than public school. I had some teachers that were creepy zealots, I used to hear things like.."you cant believe in evolution because the fossils that are being used as evidence were planted there by satan to test your faith", and "if you meet a jewish child, be polite to them but dont become friends with them because they will try to convert you". By my early teens I had the feeling that organized religion wasn't for me. By adulthood I felt pretty convinced that the real purpose of religion was to keep people in line in a time before there was an advanced and enforceable legal system.
 
BA142

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When I was 10 or 11 some paper I was filling out for school asked me about my Religion. My Dad immediately said "Write in Agnostic"

I said, "What's that mean?"

My Mom replied "Something bad, write down Catholic."


After that day I looked up what Agnostic meant and I found out that there were 2500+ man made Gods. Then I read the Bible.

After that string of events I became an Atheist.


I don't get how anybody with a functioning brain can believe in that stuff. Indoctrination must be powerful...just gotta get them at a young age.
 
Zaehet Strife

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I think this writing would find its place well here too;

Over a long time, with a lot of study, and inner reflection, i have found out one very peculiar predicament. Why is it, that us humans... think that we can actually know what "god" wants, needs, desires, admires or disgusts? How the fuck do you know? Who the fuck are you to tell me what the fuck god wants, needs, desires, admires or disgusts? How can you EVER know? How?

You tell me you know... you are full of shit, nothing more, nothing less. You are merely telling me what YOU want, need, desire, admire or disgust. It's all a pile of bull shit.

Everyone trying to tell me what god is, who god is, its all fucking futile, idiotic, stupid, senseless and absurd.

Anyone who claims knowledge about god is crazy.... this includes YOU and me.
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cannabineer

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Zaehet Strife said:
I think this writing would find its place well here too;
Over a long time, with a lot of study, and inner reflection, i have found out one very peculiar predicament. Why is it, that us humans... think that we can actually know what "god" wants, needs, desires, admires or disgusts? How the fuck do you know? Who the fuck are you to tell me what the fuck god wants, needs, desires, admires or disgusts? How can you EVER know? How?

You tell me you know... you are full of shit, nothing more, nothing less. You are merely telling me what YOU want, need, desire, admire or disgust. It's all a pile of bull shit.

Everyone trying to tell me what god is, who god is, its all fucking futile, idiotic, stupid, senseless and absurd.

Anyone who claims knowledge about god is crazy.... this includes YOU and me.
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If that's a quote can i ask where from? cn
 
Doer

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I don't know how someone has the Standing, moral, scientific or otherwise, to use human logic to turn folks from God. Such Hubris exists on all sides, and in that way I say organized efforts to dispute are the same as organizied effort to support.

If one side doesn't know for sure, then neither does the other.
 
Justin00

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"why" is the word we use to embody, what is possibly, the most unique characteristic of human beings. Quiet conspicuously it is also what drives us to our most astounding achievements and leads to our greatest grief.

The interesting thing is how we ridicule each other over our search/methods for the understanding of why.
 
Zaehet Strife

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The most peculiar thing about humans is the capacity of which they will happily lie to themselves.

For example,
When you tell yourself you know god exists or doesn't
When you tell yourself you know heaven/hell exists or doesn't
When you tell yourself you know what happens when you die
When you tell yourself you know that you have a soul or don't

The list goes on... and on... and on.

You don't know anyone of these things, no one does... stop lying to yourselves.
 
cannabineer

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Justin00 said:
"why" is the word we use to embody, what is possibly, the most unique characteristic of human beings. Quiet conspicuously it is also what drives us to our most astounding achievements and leads to our greatest grief.

The interesting thing is how we ridicule each other over our search/methods for the understanding of why.
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Emphatically agreed. The deep drive to pursue the Why drives all our great traditions of the mind. Science (and its practical sibling Engineering), Art and Literature, Philosophy "with" (theology and ITS practical sibling, religion) and "without" ('secular' philosophy) ... drugs ... whadd i miss? cn
 
cannabineer

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Ya wanna know what really bugs me about the above quote? It's true but not necessarily relevant, and can foster a different sort of prejudice. The definition offered works great among chemists. But to a water-jet operator, a farmer, a sailor ... water is a series of very different things, and they're all correct. There's a difference between embracing science ... and using it as a philosophical bludgeon. My opinion. cn
 
Padawanbater2

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I think the overall point is strong..

'don't stick your logic in crazy'



Sam does a more eloquent job at verbalizing it..
 
Heisenberg

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cannabineer said:
Ya wanna know what really bugs me about the above quote? It's true but not necessarily relevant, and can foster a different sort of prejudice. The definition offered works great among chemists. But to a water-jet operator, a farmer, a sailor ... water is a series of very different things, and they're all correct. There's a difference between embracing science ... and using it as a philosophical bludgeon. My opinion. cn
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He is referring to Denialism. When someone denies the answers we get from science, rather than refute them, all we can do is appeal to the reasons we accept them, which is values such as accuracy, evidence and so on. A farmer may not see water as h20, but he does not deny it.

We see many statements here suggesting that favoring rational over irrational is arrogant. We see many lines of reasoning rejected simply because they contain attempts to reason. We see logical errors defended with prerogative. The sort of person he is referring to is the sort of person who feels all knowledge is opinion and we are each entitled to our own without accountability.

(I believe in the context Sam was dealing with the subject of evolution deniers, when he was debating Craig)
 
cannabineer

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Heisenberg said:
He is referring to Denialism. When someone denies the answers we get from science, rather than refute them, all we can do is appeal to the reasons we accept them, which is values such as accuracy, evidence and so on. A farmer may not see water as h20, but he does not deny it.

We see many statements here suggesting that favoring rational over irrational is arrogant. We see many lines of reasoning rejected simply because they contain attempts to reason. We see logical errors defended with prerogative. The sort of person he is referring to is the sort of person who feels all knowledge is opinion and we are each entitled to our own without accountability.

(I believe in the context Sam was dealing with the subject of evolution deniers, when he was debating Craig)
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OK thanks. I missed the context. I tend to evaluate quotations as freestanding. cn
 
Doer

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The problem with the question "why?" is that it is the only question, that has no ultimate answer. In fact, I think it is perfectly approriaate to tell childern, Think of another question. (waaaaaa??) The look on their face. (Uncle Doer is weird.)

Yeah, like, What/Where/When/How? Then I help them re-phrase. I don't allow my wife to question me that way. :) Why ask why? All the rest is much more intersting.
 
Padawanbater2

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Zaehet Strife said:
Every time you tell yourself you know something... that you really don't know, that's called lying to yourself. Yes, it appears you lie a lot.
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I've thought about this... What is the benefit of lying to yourself in favor of immediate comfort? It reminds me of drug users (being one myself) .. In the end, I've found it either prolongs the negative effects of a natural grieving phase or prevents people from experiencing closure.

Accepting reality for what it is is the healthiest way to exist, imo. Denying aspects of existence in favor of comfort harms not only yourself, but also society.
 
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