Nonbelievers, how did you lose your religion?

Doer

Doer

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I have explained that it is an assumption. You say, it can't possibly be that all those Christians before us were wrong. So, I didn't say you made up a god. I say you were washed into it before you were very old, at your home, at your table.

I say the concept of Diety, call it what you will, is assumption. You can't refute that. You assume there is Diety. And you then believe that assumption is connected with your experience by believing the stories. Admit it? It was taught to you.

And are you saying there was no praying before dinner in your house? And were you not at that table not of your will, having none?

And so linked with food and no resistance allowed, you assumed these adults were correct. Yes you did. You could not even talk yet. I'm right?
 
Shannon Alexander

Shannon Alexander

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I'm not even religious and I assume there is a deity... I can't seem to quite wrap my head around the universe without there being one or many...
 
cannabineer

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But multiple sclerosis is exactly one of those conditions that have a history of spontaneous remission.
See, for example:
n the case of multiple sclerosis, spontaneous remission is quite common: about 20 per cent of the patients suffer from its benign form, which heals completely, while another 25 per cent suffer from the form called "remitting" that recurs even after years [Cf. Jürg Kesselring, Multiple Sklerose, Kohlhammer, Stuttgart, 1993, p. 242 and Clive P. Hawkins, Jerry S. Wolinsky, Principles of Treatments in Multiple Sclerosis, Butterworth-Heinemann, Burlington, 2000, p. 324].
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Besides, immune system’s dynamics and psychosomatic reactions are still not fully understood. In 1996 Roger Pilon, M.D., at that time director of Lourdes’ Bureau Médical, wrote:
Psychosomatics is far from having revealed all of its complexity. Currently, it provides attractive explanations for certain surprising healings.
[Roger Pilon, Le miracle, un don de Dieu, ("The Miracle, a Gift From God"), Lourdes Magazine, 53, 1996, p. 11]
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The somatization of psychological problems deserves a separate mention.
According to the DSM-IV TR (the reference manual for psychiatrists from around the world) the so-called "conversion disorder" can cause paralysis and blindness of psychological origin.
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This came from here:
http://www.marcocorvaglia.com/medjugorje-en/in-search-of-miracles.html
I consider it an interesting read, esp. the fact that the Lourdes committee uses terms such as "unexplained" and "exceptional" as opposed to "miraculous", which is impossible to prove except for disease states for which spont. remission has NEVER been reported, like amputation or Down's.
Thus I contend that as candidates for miracle, conditions with even one documented case of spontaneous remission are disqualified. cn
 
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RebelMan

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Shannon Alexander said:
If and I mean it as a big if... If god came to earth in human form then of course he would choose what is right by him and seeing as god through most of the bible can do no wrong and whatever god does is just and right, by default anything Jesus did would be the right course of action... and secondly if god came down in human form and then sacrificed that body... where the hell is the real sacrifice..? it makes the whole thing meaningless...
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Uhh... open your brain main light yourself a spliff..

Sorry if i confused you, but Jesus and God are different. Jesus is God's human form, and different from God.
Jesus died on the cross... he could have taken the easy route of Evil by denying he was the king of the Jews, but instead he held his faith.
You can tell Jesus was under a test by how he was in the Garden after the last supper, praying to God for guidance, just before Judas led the soldiers to imprison him.
 
Chief Walkin Eagle

Chief Walkin Eagle

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RebelMan said:
Uhh... open your brain main light yourself a spliff..

Sorry if i confused you, but Jesus and God are different. Jesus is God's human form, and different from God.
Jesus died on the cross... he could have taken the easy route of Evil by denying he was the king of the Jews, but instead he held his faith.
You can tell Jesus was under a test by how he was in the Garden after the last supper, praying to God for guidance, just before Judas led the soldiers to imprison him.
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No response to my rant?
 
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RebelMan

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Doer said:
I have explained that it is an assumption. You say, it can't possibly be that all those Christians before us were wrong. So, I didn't say you made up a god. I say you were washed into it before you were very old, at your home, at your table.

I say the concept of Diety, call it what you will, is assumption. You can't refute that. You assume there is Diety. And you then believe that assumption is connected with your experience by believing the stories. Admit it? It was taught to you.

And are you saying there was no praying before dinner in your house? And were you not at that table not of your will, having none?

And so linked with food and no resistance allowed, you assumed these adults were correct. Yes you did. You could not even talk yet. I'm right?
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Sorry my friend, but it is not an assumption that i made to follow and believe God, it is faith that i had to believe in God. From my parents teaching me, They taught me to have faith, and that is what i did, and they taught me to have faith that when i die my good actions will be counted and judged. I kept faith to do good and not wrong and over the years i have learned that by doing that and following the true faith of Christianity i can bring about good in the world by doing so. In Medjugorje, i learned that i can do this through prayer, fasting, communion, confession, and daily reading of the bible.
 
Chief Walkin Eagle

Chief Walkin Eagle

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RebelMan said:
Sorry my friend, but it is not an assumption that i made to follow and believe God, it is faith that i had to believe in God. From my parents teaching me, They taught me to have faith, and that is what i did, and they taught me to have faith that when i die my good actions will be counted and judged. I kept faith to do good and not wrong and over the years i have learned that by doing that and following the true faith of Christianity i can bring about good in the world by doing so. In Medjugorje, i learned that i can do this through prayer, fasting, communion, confession, and daily reading of the bible.
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No reply to my rant? I'd appreciate a well thought out reply, not a short ignorant one, please.
 
Chief Walkin Eagle

Chief Walkin Eagle

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RebelMan said:
ppshht, your from canada?!?!?

kidding...

I'm glad you can be assured of God, i'm not against you man i'm proud you can see the light and hold your belief in God firmly.
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Yes, I do hold a belief in MYSELF firmly. There is many gods, which ones should we worship? NONE. An eternity of kissing ass and praising a god sounds like a pretty pathetic existence to me. I'd rather use that eternities worth of time to learn, experience and evolve so I too can know what it takes to be a "god".
 
Doer

Doer

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RebelMan said:
Sorry my friend, but it is not an assumption that i made to follow and believe God, it is faith that i had to believe in God. From my parents teaching me, They taught me to have faith, and that is what i did, and they taught me to have faith that when i die my good actions will be counted and judged. I kept faith to do good and not wrong and over the years i have learned that by doing that and following the true faith of Christianity i can bring about good in the world by doing so. In Medjugorje, i learned that i can do this through prayer, fasting, communion, confession, and daily reading of the bible.
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And you have to assume there is something to have faith in. You have to assume there is a Diety. You want the faith to believe the assumption as the bible tells you so.

So, we are not talking about your choices as an adult. The die was cast. And the fact is, you were taught about the very idea of Diety. You assumed that was real.
 
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RebelMan

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Doer said:
And you have to assume there is something to have faith in. You have to assume there is a Diety. You want the faith to believe the assumption as the bible tells you so.

So, we are not talking about your choices as an adult. The die was cast. And the fact is, you were taught about the very idea of Diety. You assumed that was real.
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What is your point? what are you trying to make? that because someone assumes something, they are wrong? i had my faith because i assumed that my parents wouldn't lie to me, i assumed that because so many people in my community followed Christianity, that it must have had to be real. I did that, and after Medjugorje, I found that as an adult it was true, and that assuming i did early on in my life that sparked a sense of believe and open-mindedness really paid off. For God is true and Medjugorje has proven to the world that God and deity is fact. So proud i got to experience it. Nice chatting with you, my friend. Any other questions you which to ask on this forum?
 
Doer

Doer

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Well, yes. Don't assume I'm saying anything is wrong. It's Christian, this absolute right and wrong. So, no, don't accuse me of saying you are wrong. Your parents are just like you. They didn't lie, they were imprinted. their parents were imprinted, and so on. I think you can wonder about this without fear if you cast your faith real wide but not aside.

And so because you heard about it, you went with it, raised in it. Then went to this place. And because someone saw Something. They assumed it was the Madonna. It might be Vishnu in another culture. All little childern are subject to seeing anything we suggest. You have to assume all these connections. And you have to start with assuming there even is Diety. As you say. It's not wrong. You were imprinted. Your faith is bigger than you may have known is all. So, the point is assumption of Diety. Nothing else.

And, I do have this question. If you are devout then you submit to the church. You have a priest. The priest is in an Order, perhaps. So, where does Cannabis fit in, if you don't mind my asking? How does your priest understand correctness about this?
 
dashcues

dashcues

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RebelMan said:
What is your point? what are you trying to make? that because someone assumes something, they are wrong? i had my faith because i assumed that my parents wouldn't lie to me, i assumed that because so many people in my community followed Christianity, that it must have had to be real. I did that, and after Medjugorje, I found that as an adult it was true, and that assuming i did early on in my life that sparked a sense of believe and open-mindedness really paid off. For God is true and Medjugorje has proven to the world that God and deity is fact. So proud i got to experience it. Nice chatting with you, my friend. Any other questions you which to ask on this forum?
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While I don't believe The Catholic Church has anything to do with the "True Christian Religion",
As a believer myself,I can appreciate the fact that you went to Medjugorje as a testament to your faith and had a spiritual revelation.
Good for ya!:clap:
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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dashcues said:
While I don't believe The Catholic Church has anything to do with the "True Christian Religion",
As a believer myself,I can appreciate the fact that you went to Medjugorje as a testament to your faith and had a spiritual revelation.
Good for ya!:clap:
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I can't. Look what it's done to him.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Even as an atheist I leave room for doubt.

There's not a shred of doubt in Rebel's faith, and that's what's dangerous.
 
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RebelMan

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Doer said:
Well, yes. Don't assume I'm saying anything is wrong. It's Christian, this absolute right and wrong. So, no, don't accuse me of saying you are wrong. Your parents are just like you. They didn't lie, they were imprinted. their parents were imprinted, and so on. I think you can wonder about this without fear if you cast your faith real wide but not aside.

And so because you heard about it, you went with it, raised in it. Then went to this place. And because someone saw Something. They assumed it was the Madonna. It might be Vishnu in another culture. All little childern are subject to seeing anything we suggest. You have to assume all these connections. And you have to start with assuming there even is Diety. As you say. It's not wrong. You were imprinted. Your faith is bigger than you may have known is all. So, the point is assumption of Diety. Nothing else.

And, I do have this question. If you are devout then you submit to the church. You have a priest. The priest is in an Order, perhaps. So, where does Cannabis fit in, if you don't mind my asking? How does your priest understand correctness about this?
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There is nothing int he bible that goes against Cannabis
The Catholic Catechism hold to abstain from drug use because they are harmful to your body, and God does not want us to destroy our bodies. Cannabis does not hurt your body, it has been shown to be of medication and if inhaled correctly there is nothing wrong with it, plus you can put it in food.
When i smoke Cannabis, i honestly feel a lot better about myself and i wish to do good things in the world. i like to smoke a good oney and then go outside and work, or accomplish something, hoe a garden plant some plants.
God created Cannabis for a reason, and these systems(governments) have been destroying its seed for decades. I am completely opposed to these systems and will smoke herb until they collapse. I honestly don't even find the same thrill i did when i first started, i find it more relaxing, more peaceful, and with my Cannabis use it has brought me closer to God, and away from material things, and i want and inspiration to live simple and humble, possibly because i conserve my weed and have built a little better tolerance, but am still the biggest lightweight you will ever meet). Most importantly, i want to get along with everyone i meet, even the assholes. I abstain from tobacco, alcohol and any other drug that is not purely a seed-bearing plant. Although i don't really have any interest in expanding into drug use. Since i don't consider herb a drug, its a friggin plant for gosh sakes.

I don't talk to my priest about cannabis, but i think many priests could see the flaws in cannabis actually being a drug. Cannabis has been taught very differently and is very different from "other drugs". Never quite asked, but i went to confession and confessed for weed, that was a while ago and now i know its not bad.
 
kpmarine

kpmarine

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RebelMan said:
There is nothing int he bible that goes against Cannabis
The Catholic Catechism hold to abstain from drug use because they are harmful to your body, and God does not want us to destroy our bodies. Cannabis does not hurt your body, it has been shown to be of medication and if inhaled correctly there is nothing wrong with it, plus you can put it in food.
When i smoke Cannabis, i honestly feel a lot better about myself and i wish to do good things in the world. i like to smoke a good oney and then go outside and work, or accomplish something, hoe a garden plant some plants.
God created Cannabis for a reason, and these systems(governments) have been destroying its seed for decades. I am completely opposed to these systems and will smoke herb until they collapse. I honestly don't even find the same thrill i did when i first started, i find it more relaxing, more peaceful, and with my Cannabis use it has brought me closer to God, and away from material things, and i want and inspiration to live simple and humble, possibly because i conserve my weed and have built a little better tolerance, but am still the biggest lightweight you will ever meet). Most importantly, i want to get along with everyone i meet, even the assholes. I abstain from tobacco, alcohol and any other drug that is not purely a seed-bearing plant. Although i don't really have any interest in expanding into drug use. Since i don't consider herb a drug, its a friggin plant for gosh sakes.

I don't talk to my priest about cannabis, but i think many priests could see the flaws in cannabis actually being a drug. Cannabis has been taught very differently and is very different from "other drugs". Never quite asked, but i went to confession and confessed for weed, that was a while ago and now i know its not bad.
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So how do you go against your government's orders? The bible plainly states that you are to obey all laws of your government.

Romans 13:1-4 "Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil."

Seeing as not using weed isn't a sin, how do you justify one against the other?
 
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