Nonbelievers, how did you lose your religion?

Padawanbater2

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You must have been to some churches in the 1800s. Modern churches today accept the fact that the bible has alot of metaphors. Religion never said the earth was flat. Noah did build an ark, its not that hard to build a boat. It wasnt incredibly huge because the flood didnt encompass the entire earth, only the middle east, so he only needed to save the regional species and his family. No polar bears were on board. Also, the 7 days that god took to create the world was billion of years in our time, it was only 7 days in his time. Also, animals do evolve, but man is seperate, although the bible does say man was created from earth, which is true kinda. You should actually learn about stuff, including growing, before you go on spewing un truths and opinions about it.
Jesus... the irony, man...

There are many modern day churches that claim the Bible is the divine word of God, and many people who believe God wrote the Bible.

The Bible says the world is a circle. Take a coin out of your pocket, is it flat? Coins are circles.

Where is the remains of Noah's arc?

Man is an animal, no different from any of the rest, and we too evolve.
 

ChronicObsession

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Religion on rollitup... hmmm so many options because everybody has to invent their own shit and promote it as the one true way, worshipping this idol or that idol... whatever. Preaching on this website is about as wreckless as smoking crack with a best friend's Mum. So many different "gods" and belief systems, it would take many a turd to account for all the nutty morsels of "wisdom" contained in this veritable orgy of poop and lies. Religion's #1 goal is to bring the fallen man to god, because humanity is naturally dumb and prefers the twisted company of satan. By humanity living to god's commandment means obtaining a full afterlife. Right now we are in a mortal body, temporary for making the choice of living life with eyes closed or to be awake. LOL I love saying that, so atheists can rush and proudly spew random sentences devoid of any devotion. It's fun to hear depressed people tell the world over and over how there is no god.
 

Grojak

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I'm reading this thread and it's funny to me, now of course a man/woman of faith know to pull the "you laugh at what you don't understand" card I've heard it many times over, to that I say you "fear what you don't know", because even if there was a god and he is all around us know one knows god or there would be no need to debate.

What I can offer to anyone be them man or woman Athiest or devout follower is this: Know yourself, to know yourself is to know god.

I don't believe there is a higher spirit above me, I don't need to. I'm not knocking those who need god or their religion to feel complete (though lets face it, the vast majority of believers had it put upon them at a young age, brainwashed if you will by methods Guantanamo Bay guards would envy). It takes a big man/woman to strike fear in a 4 year old impressionable mind, lets face it "if you don't do good and devote your life to god you will go to a place and burn forever" that fucks up a 4 year old mind, fuck it took me until I was 12 to be like "whacha talking bout Willis" . Ever find it odd that not that many non convict, non addicted 20 somethings "find god"?

Be true to thine self, look for answers within, they are there if you search. In this hustle n bustle world we live in too few take the time to discover who they are, to question the unquestionable, to seek the truth. I am better for doing so, sure I might have got scholarships into college and had A's in high school had I not been busy reading philosophy, writing my ideals out and questioning everything and everyone (no I wasn't an anarchist, most just thought I was an asshole, still do). But it was through self retrospective and daring to ask the questions I wanted to know about that I formed who I was and still am (at just 15). My parents still will not talk about religion with me, they are afraid to face up to those questions.
 

Grojak

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Religion on rollitup... hmmm so many options because everybody has to invent their own shit and promote it as the one true way, worshipping this idol or that idol... whatever. Preaching on this website is about as wreckless as smoking crack with a best friend's Mum. So many different "gods" and belief systems, it would take many a turd to account for all the nutty morsels of "wisdom" contained in this veritable orgy of poop and lies. Religion's #1 goal is to bring the fallen man to god, because humanity is naturally dumb and prefers the twisted company of satan. By humanity living to god's commandment means obtaining a full afterlife. Right now we are in a mortal body, temporary for making the choice of living life with eyes closed or to be awake. LOL I love saying that, so atheists can rush and proudly spew random sentences devoid of any devotion. It's fun to hear depressed people tell the world over and over how there is no god.
LOL even if they is a god, get busy living or get busy dying!!! If you are living today for what might be tomorrow you are dying slowly not knowing pleasure of this life for fear you will burn in hell, but fuck it you're buried (or burned) anyway when your dead, know why? Cause your dead!!! you cease to exist!!
 

Derple

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The turning point for me was when I started thinking logically about the whole mess called religion.

Until there's any evidence for god, I'm sticking with my mix of atheism/theism.
 

ChronicObsession

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I like the part about the need to accumulate the evidence for God existing. Humanity doesn't know about anything really, maybe 5 percent of everything that will some day fill all of that which is called Science. And yet, the feeble man is so proud to deny god because of lack of evidence. 0 points for non-believer, 0 points for humanity. For many, the only god is money, but richness can't buy afterlife. It's also fun to see rich people collapse from their state of autonomity. After all of the comfort and television programming and other mindless entertainment has been interrupted, people can find god easier.
 

rpgdude

Member
You must have been to some churches in the 1800s. Modern churches today accept the fact that the bible has alot of metaphors. Religion never said the earth was flat. Noah did build an ark, its not that hard to build a boat. It wasnt incredibly huge because the flood didnt encompass the entire earth, only the middle east, so he only needed to save the regional species and his family. No polar bears were on board. Also, the 7 days that god took to create the world was billion of years in our time, it was only 7 days in his time. Also, animals do evolve, but man is seperate, although the bible does say man was created from earth, which is true kinda. You should actually learn about stuff, including growing, before you go on spewing un truths and opinions about it.

If you believe its metaphors, you call it a lie. The bible claims to be the inerrant, inspired word of the living God. It says there where 7 clean and 2 unclean animals of EVERY kind. It excludes nothing and teaches this as fact. Wonder how much food it would take to feed 7 clean and 2 unclean animals of EVERY kind 40 days and nights. That is one big ass boat. I love how you say Noah "did" build an ark like its a proven fact. It would be the first 6000 year old peace of wood sitting on top of a mountain in the wind and rain that didn't rot away and considering its massive size Im pretty sure we would have found it by now. Now this is one a bible scholar would rofl about "the 7 days that god took to create the world was billion of years in our time, it was only 7 days in his time". First off that is pure conjecture that is taught no where in the bible. Secondly the bible is clear on what a "day" means in Genesis 1 and that's 24 hours. A better translation into English would literally be. "And in seven 24 hour periods God made the heavens and the earth" Christens may argue this but the original language does not. Next you say "animals do evolve but man is separate" Well I guess that's a fact to you also not to mention convenient. My father and law told me when I was 20 years old " There are 2 kinds of people, those who base they're reality on tangible truths and those who base they're reality on emotion" Your ending statement "You should actually learn about stuff, including growing, before you go on spewing un truths and opinions about it" Proves you base your life including what you believe and how you respond on emotion, you even seek an emotional response. My wise father and law went on to say " it's useless showing emotion based people tangible evidence to try and change there minds only an emotion can change it, so life must teach them what critical thinking can not" Suffering is what he meant. Ill end with this. Jesus said that evil fruit can not come from a good tree. Now really think about that and look at the world "God" created.
 

kpmarine

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I like the part about the need to accumulate the evidence for God existing. Humanity doesn't know about anything really, maybe 5 percent of everything that will some day fill all of that which is called Science. And yet, the feeble man is so proud to deny god because of lack of evidence. 0 points for non-believer, 0 points for humanity. For many, the only god is money, but richness can't buy afterlife. It's also fun to see rich people collapse from their state of autonomity. After all of the comfort and television programming and other mindless entertainment has been interrupted, people can find god easier.
Way to find the enjoyment in the suffering of others. Where can I sign up for your church? Your schadenfreude attracts me. I assume self-flagellation is on the table?
 

Padawanbater2

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I like the part about the need to accumulate the evidence for God existing. Humanity doesn't know about anything really, maybe 5 percent of everything that will some day fill all of that which is called Science. And yet, the feeble man is so proud to deny god because of lack of evidence. 0 points for non-believer, 0 points for humanity. For many, the only god is money, but richness can't buy afterlife. It's also fun to see rich people collapse from their state of autonomity. After all of the comfort and television programming and other mindless entertainment has been interrupted, people can find god easier.
You certainly make a lot of assumptions..

You assume we know a certain amount of everything that will ever be known, assume that because it's not everything, within what's currently unknown must be God when everything in history, every achievement or advancement has pushed God even further into redundancy, and assume every atheist is depressed.

I know how the rules of reality work and understand the importance of logical reasoning. That's all I need to know to be comfortable with atheism.
 

ThE sAtIvA hIgH

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I'm reading this thread and it's funny to me, now of course a man/woman of faith know to pull the "you laugh at what you don't understand" card I've heard it many times over, to that I say you "fear what you don't know", because even if there was a god and he is all around us know one knows god or there would be no need to debate.

What I can offer to anyone be them man or woman Athiest or devout follower is this: Know yourself, to know yourself is to know god.

I don't believe there is a higher spirit above me, I don't need to. I'm not knocking those who need god or their religion to feel complete (though lets face it, the vast majority of believers had it put upon them at a young age, brainwashed if you will by methods Guantanamo Bay guards would envy). It takes a big man/woman to strike fear in a 4 year old impressionable mind, lets face it "if you don't do good and devote your life to god you will go to a place and burn forever" that fucks up a 4 year old mind, fuck it took me until I was 12 to be like "whacha talking bout Willis" . Ever find it odd that not that many non convict, non addicted 20 somethings "find god"?

Be true to thine self, look for answers within, they are there if you search. In this hustle n bustle world we live in too few take the time to discover who they are, to question the unquestionable, to seek the truth. I am better for doing so, sure I might have got scholarships into college and had A's in high school had I not been busy reading philosophy, writing my ideals out and questioning everything and everyone (no I wasn't an anarchist, most just thought I was an asshole, still do). But it was through self retrospective and daring to ask the questions I wanted to know about that I formed who I was and still am (at just 15). My parents still will not talk about religion with me, they are afraid to face up to those questions.
you shouldnt be using this forum , this forum is for adults not children sorry .come back in 3 years time .
and in reply to your post , the truth is alot simpler than that its only people who dont want to admit they were wrong , or need religion for physcological reasons that make it a complex matter , everything else in our lives we distinguish what is truth within seconds , its only when it comes down to religion certain people forget all logical thinking and truth, wich helps them percieve things to suit there own agender , i think alot of people do this because its hard to admit or even see, that the things you have been told since a very young age, are not true.
 

bud nugbong

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god was invented to keep the poor people from bieng savages. shit is being taken too far... I think if every church was turned into a garden center the world would be a much better place.
 

Zaehet Strife

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I would like to share something that one of my very good friends wrote to me, i found it intoxicating.

You remind me of a younger version of myself, Zaehet. In my case, I faced what I called "the void" in my mid-teens.

My mind was a strange place even then, which was probably not such a good thing for someone as young as I was. As I've discovered in my wanderings, things do not always proceed as they ought to or need to, and even when they seem to transpire as they "should," the ripples left in its wake whispers that what took place was meaningless and hollow. There is existence, there is the locus of who you think you think you are...and then there is something else entirely. I wasn't interested in whom I thought that I thought I was: I wanted to experience that "something else." I spent what time I could steal away from the vampires of society pondering what this ephemeral "something" was that seemed to lurk just beneath the fragile membrane of existence. Yes, existence and the perception of it seemed to be nothing more than a fragile membrane to me, a trick of the lens, and a sliver of silvery dew sliding swiftly across the dark expanse of the "something" that was vast beyond comprehension. I knew it was there, for my thoughts always led me close to it. I wanted to see it.

It was the "ultimate truth" I longed to find, for I had discovered that essentially everything I knew up to that point was a lie. There was no such thing as an “absolute.” Nothing stood upon its own. People lied as soon as they opened their mouths to speak; and I realized that I, too, lied as soon as I started to think or speak. My perception of self was a lie, for it didn’t match what others reflected…and then I wondered “Does anyone really know anyone else, when we don’t even know ourselves? Are we interacting with them, or are we simply living out a dream, complete with simulacra of people we think we know? Am I even awake, or have I been sleeping?” When I stopped believing, I reached the point when I finally saw what was there all along: a void of oblivion where there is no time, thought, or light…there was nothing at all.

I understood that I had reached the “end” of myself, and I was seeing beyond to what no one ever wants to see: a terrifying black hole, a singularity horizon that yawned impossibly wide, drawing everything to itself with an inevitability that simply could not be denied. It was somewhat intoxicating, really, to realize that nothingness was all there really is…that everything of meaning was only a brief of glimmer in the darkness of the void. I couldn’t deny it, and so I allowed myself to get lost within for a time.

At some point, Zaehet, anger stirred me into action. I started to experience rage at the senselessness of it all: it *had* to make sense! Something had to make sense…so what was it? I would like to tell you that – aha! – I finally discovered sense in that void, but the truth of the matter is that there really is no truth at all. If you think you know, then all you have done is think that you think you know…a veritable screaming madhouse of un-sanity staring back at you, laughing while you convince yourself that whatever it is that you fancy is the “truth.”

What’s the point, then? Why was I even at this place, thinking about things that no one else in their right mind would entertain? I find myself here, somehow emerging from the nothing to realize that absolutely nothing awaits, lurking just behind what I think and dream. Reality isn’t as real as I thought it was – just an expertly crafted lie. That was when my eyes started to open to everything that I had been missing: words that people spoke that I either never heard or misunderstood; reflections in mirrors I chose to ignore in my ignorance; chances I passed up and opportunities that had been drawn into the void. The only “truth” would be that which I created, or gleaned from the words I had missed and the chances I had allowed to be devoured by the void. I could choose to just be and accept that I was, or in my frustration, I could seek to join that black hole.

Obviously, I chose the former. So, when I say “all that matters is now,” Zaehet, I mean just that. We live right now. What was before, and what we think lies ahead, are both subject to the warping lens of the words we never hear and possibilities that never were. It’s all a strange dream in the twilight just beyond the deeps of the void. We can enjoy it…we can despise it…we can let it go, or we can fight tooth and nail to hang on to it. Is there a point to it? I don’t really know…there’s only now.

Your friend,
John
 

Doer

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yes you are 15
He just should not have said his age. He is an innocent perhaps, in the need for stealth. The rest of the post was quite well formed and made more sense than a lot of what I read here. We should suffer the little childern to come among us. We sure suffer the adults.
 

Zaehet Strife

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I think this is my favorite part;

"If you think you know, then all you have done is think that you think you know…a veritable screaming madhouse of un-sanity staring back at you, laughing while you convince yourself that whatever it is that you fancy is the “truth.”
 

Grojak

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It's funny I've been smoking for 20 years, how is that possible if I'm 15 lol I don't remember ever saying my age but I might have mentioned ages at which I had revolutions.
 
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