NO! On Prop 19
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desert dude
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While I agree with your point about delusions of the no voters, you're a little harsh on them. Jail cells and hell should be reserved for somebody else, maybe the murderers in the narco gangs.
kronic1989
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Lets jump the gun on this one here, lets push to get crack legalized.
nathenking
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problem is prop 19 doesnt legalize anything...legalize it now
nathenking
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hell yeah bro.... crack is better than MJ anyday....
veggiegardener
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It is equally unreasonable to assume that the myriad mistakes in P19 will be corrected in the future.
NO on 19.
veggiegardener
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Narsil is a sword of incredible lethality. Sharp I mean.
Find another nickname.
Or do a bunch of reading.
I was called a Communist for opposing George Bush and his policies.
You won't win, calling names. Prove your points in debate.
You can't, because you refuse to arm yourself with facts.
Think about this, if you dare.
Prop 19 will allow over 500 separate jurisdictions the opportunity to write their own local ordinances regarding all aspects of Cannabis, with little or extremely negative(Cooley) guidance from the Attorney General. The confusion will, in my opinion, put a lot of people in jail.
I may be wrong, but you certainly can't prove it. Quite a few good people went to jail after Prop 215 was passed because local sheriffs and judges refused to accept Medical Cannabis without a bunch of (eventually) successful appeals.
I won't accept this. It is idiocy to do that again.
Now, I think everybody knows what is wrong with P19.
We can do better, and now know what we really want. State law with clout that protects our rights without injuring those MMJ patients that have already weathered the storms of bad law and a corrupt legal system.
Lets write a good law, and get it passed. We don't need corporate money. Just a willingness to do the leg work.
Needofweed
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down with 19
nathenking
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I hope it fizzles out!
desert dude
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Pretty much everything has already been said in these posts, and at FDD official poll on 19, https://www.rollitup.org/politics/353347-official-cast-your-vote-prop-20.html.
I voted yes. P19 is a fairly good bill, some flaws, but nothing is perfect. If you guys want to keep yammering about the evil corporations, and P19 creates new felonies, that is your business.
Just remember who else urges you to vote against 19: the drug czars, the US attorney general, President Obama, every politician running for national office in California (Libertarians excepted), Sheriff Lee Baca, Candidate for CA attorney general Steve Cooley. With friends like those, who needs enemies?
I voted yes. P19 is a fairly good bill, some flaws, but nothing is perfect. If you guys want to keep yammering about the evil corporations, and P19 creates new felonies, that is your business.
Just remember who else urges you to vote against 19: the drug czars, the US attorney general, President Obama, every politician running for national office in California (Libertarians excepted), Sheriff Lee Baca, Candidate for CA attorney general Steve Cooley. With friends like those, who needs enemies?
veggiegardener
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It is called being Right, for the wrong reasons.
I prefer making my own decisions, based on MY perceptions. I won't be stampeded by those who assume the opposition is always wrong.
Prop 19 is a junk bill, worthy of early demise.
Serapis
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You need to learn to compromise. Do you think Senators or Congressmen have the luxury of only voting on perfect bills? If they shared your attitude, nothing would ever be done.
At least by voting YES, you are sending a message that marijuana should not be illegal. It's not a perfect bill, 215 wasn't either, but it started a trend. I think it is very shallow and farsighted that pot smokers and growers would vote no on 19 and group themselves with anti-marijuana groups such as churches, bars, and prudes.
Vote YES on 19 and let them know that you support marijuana use for ALL
veggiegardener
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YOU send a message.
I'll protect my family's rights under current law.
I'll protect my family's rights under current law.
Serapis
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You have no marijuana rights under current law, unless you are seriously ill and marijuana has been determined to ease your suffering. That is the black and white of it, period.
you still can't accept the fact that you do NOT have to be "seriously ill". prop 215 CLEARLY says "any ailment". you really should learn what this means.
veggiegardener
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You need to learn to compromise. Do you think Senators or Congressmen have the luxury of only voting on perfect bills? If they shared your attitude, nothing would ever be done.
At least by voting YES, you are sending a message that marijuana should not be illegal. It's not a perfect bill, 215 wasn't either, but it started a trend. I think it is very shallow and farsighted that pot smokers and growers would vote no on 19 and group themselves with anti-marijuana groups such as churches, bars, and prudes.
Vote YES on 19 and let them know that you support marijuana use for ALL
YOU send a message.
I'll protect my family's rights under current law.
NO on P19!
By the way, nobody asked for my input on this bill. It was offered as a whole.
It is junk, written by inferior legal minds.
Spent the day in Golden Gate Park, yesterday, with two superior minds. Family members. Very bright. Very successful. P19 was never mentioned. One handles the hiring and firing of 20,000 employees. If 19 passes, she'll have a LOT to say about this bill. She's another that sees random testing as the only corporate response to Prop 19.
Ever visited the California Academy of Sciences?
A very nice museum. The planetarium is state of the art.
I'll protect my family's rights under current law.
NO on P19!
By the way, nobody asked for my input on this bill. It was offered as a whole.
It is junk, written by inferior legal minds.
Spent the day in Golden Gate Park, yesterday, with two superior minds. Family members. Very bright. Very successful. P19 was never mentioned. One handles the hiring and firing of 20,000 employees. If 19 passes, she'll have a LOT to say about this bill. She's another that sees random testing as the only corporate response to Prop 19.
Ever visited the California Academy of Sciences?
A very nice museum. The planetarium is state of the art.
Serapis
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I know that "Seriously Ill Californians" is a quote taken directly out of 215.... In fact, it could be argued that many medical cards do not fall under seriously ill conditions. Here is the entire section...you still can't accept the fact that you do NOT have to be "seriously ill". prop 215 CLEARLY says "any ailment". you really should learn what this means.
" To ensure that seriously ill Californians have the right to obtain and use marijuana for medical purposes where the medical use is deemed appropriate and has been recommended by a physician who has determined that the person's health would benefit from the use of marijuana in the treatment of cancer, anorexia, AIDS, chronic pain, spasticity, glaucoma, arthritis, migraine, or any other illness for which marijuana provides relief. "
There are two qualifiers there, the first one being seriously ill Californians... The second one is ILLNESS, not "ailment" as you have quoted. An allergy is an ailment, as is sleep disorders. They are not illnesses, as defined by the AMA.
I'm only pointing this out to all of the 215 card members that are considering a no vote on 19. 215 does not cover ailments or discomforts. It was a compassionate use law that was intended to allow seriously and gravely ill patients access to Marijuana. What it has become today, is simply because of abuse. The text of the statute has not changed.
So, I apologize Fdd2, I disagree that 215 clearly says "any ailment" as you claim. It does not. I really do know how to read and I have a 4.0 GPA after 4 semesters in my pursuit of a bachelor degree. You keep taking pot shots at me, like "You really should le4arn what this means", when you are the one clearly in the wrong. You are misinterpreting a law, which is worded in a specific way, and you have insrerted other words or changed meanings to make it fit what you like.
I could just as easily say that you really should learn what seriously ill or illness means, but I won't stoop to that level
mr.swishas&herb
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you should become a travel agent haha, didn't mean that offensively but you are making me wish i was in cali that much more...have you ever seen the natural museum of history in manhattan? state of the art...but good luck enjoying the scenery sober
Serapis
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You can't say that random testing would be a result of 19 passing. Random testing and required testing are prevalent TODAY.
It should be nobody's business what we do on our time off. Imagine the outrage if a piss test were devloped to determine alcohol abuse within the last 60 or 90 days. People would be livid, yet they tolerate drug tests....
ent931
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ppl that vote no on this bill must very conservative not only could this help us non medical states change our ways pot would become dirt cheap cause our reps. in our state have said that if pot was to be sold it would have to be sold at 60 dollars an ounce which to me doesnt sound bad at all for chronic which btw our state produces the second most marijuana in the country after cali