Humboldt14
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50 grand a share. ITS NOT WORTH IT, thats not alot of profit,
NO! On Prop 19
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Humboldt14
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not greed, thats just the way its been up here for ever,
and people are full of shit getting on us comercial growers up here in HUMBOLDT.
because if you owned land up here in these mountains you would do the same thing,
people like you get on us because you cant do it.
well too bad!
mikhail chalecki
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50g a year is perfectly fine for anyone in cali to live comfortably. really... whats wrong with that? anything more than what you need indeed is pretty greedy. as i said. you guys are the ones operating as a business, be prepared for it to be treated like one. the government will not set the prices so its people go out of business, thats counterintuitive. forcing businesses to go under means less business to tax and so on untill it all collapses.
luvourmother
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Sorry that you can't see that this is greed at its worst. The only reason you don't want legalization is because you might lose out on making $ (key word here is might), that is greedy. The consequences of prohibition far outweigh your personal income.
mrFancyPlants
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Wait - everyone is so concerned that big business is coming in... but what about the established growers? Don't they have the upper hand? Sure, you need to change your process and increase automation(if you want to compete with shitty agribusiness weed if that ever even exists), but so what? You know the plant better than they do.
It's not going to be the same old quaint situation but it's not like you can't compete at all. Shit.. sell tours of 'marijuana land'. Humboldt/Mendo is STILL the BEST place on earth to SMOKE weed!
You should know that.
One thing I've always wondered though - is humboldt really a great place to grow? I know it's good for the cover that the native veg provides, and lots of expertise is there, and the culture and support networks, and stoners really dig the climate... but I think you could grow better weed in the southern mountains where you get longer days, a longer grow period, lower humidity and more UV. Jus' sayin...
It's not going to be the same old quaint situation but it's not like you can't compete at all. Shit.. sell tours of 'marijuana land'. Humboldt/Mendo is STILL the BEST place on earth to SMOKE weed!
You should know that. One thing I've always wondered though - is humboldt really a great place to grow? I know it's good for the cover that the native veg provides, and lots of expertise is there, and the culture and support networks, and stoners really dig the climate... but I think you could grow better weed in the southern mountains where you get longer days, a longer grow period, lower humidity and more UV. Jus' sayin...
TokinPodPilot
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It's always amusing to see people who've been hiding in the woodwork because they can't be arsed to know what their rights as smokers are sit there and tell farmers how things are in the cannabis industry. When in fact, your advocating for Prop. 19 for the same reason. You're afraid of the consequences if you get caught. Then YOUR livelihood is on the line and you have now risked it all, just as the grower has. You proponents of Prop. 19 remind me of a line from a great song...
"You just want to be Jesus without the suffering..."
Sorry if those of us who've been fighting to keep this industry alive and grow a competent network of small and medium growers don't feel like handing things over to large-scale operators who are the actual ones perpetrating most of the inequities that smokers commonly complain about growers. It's amusing that you can sit there and dictate to those who'd be affected financially by this bill what is or is not adequate for their lives. It's hypocritical that you sit there doing so while promoting a clearly commercial bill. The "consequences" of prohibition are minimal, non-existent come January 1, 2011, for cannabis smokers of the non-medical persuasion.
You may see greed at worst. I see cowardice at it's worst. Pot smokers used to be united in the risk we all shared to grow and smoke cannabis. I suppose it was only a matter of time before some of the ranks began to capitulate. Especially with the shiny profits of commercial operations in their eyes. If you're going to accuse people of being greedy and selfish, it would be less detrimental to your case if you didn't display your own so flagrantly.
"You just want to be Jesus without the suffering..."
Sorry if those of us who've been fighting to keep this industry alive and grow a competent network of small and medium growers don't feel like handing things over to large-scale operators who are the actual ones perpetrating most of the inequities that smokers commonly complain about growers. It's amusing that you can sit there and dictate to those who'd be affected financially by this bill what is or is not adequate for their lives. It's hypocritical that you sit there doing so while promoting a clearly commercial bill. The "consequences" of prohibition are minimal, non-existent come January 1, 2011, for cannabis smokers of the non-medical persuasion.
You may see greed at worst. I see cowardice at it's worst. Pot smokers used to be united in the risk we all shared to grow and smoke cannabis. I suppose it was only a matter of time before some of the ranks began to capitulate. Especially with the shiny profits of commercial operations in their eyes. If you're going to accuse people of being greedy and selfish, it would be less detrimental to your case if you didn't display your own so flagrantly.
luvourmother
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I am an advocate of Prop 19 because prohibition does not work in preventing people from ingesting marijuana and the original reasons for prohibition were racist and down right wrong. This is why I support Prop 19 because these bogus laws need to be changed.
Even with decriminalization soon to be in place, a criminal record will still exist if you are fined for possession of small amounts. and of course there is all associated with intent to sell...
I want to have a legitimate business based around marijuana consumption, this is impossible under current medical legislation because we are not allowed to profit from medical sales. When Prop 19 passes I will be able to legally have an actual for profit business and provide quality buds, supplies, and edibles to my customers. If you see this as greed so be it, I see it as wanting to follow the rules and have a legitimate business that provides much needed services to my community.
Please remember the reasons marijuana was made illegal in the first place, why would you want to continue to support prohibition?
Hayduke
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Wow!!! A stranger with 10 posts and you have 2 bars of +rep...what did rollitup himself rep you????
This is incredibly dangerous!!! Cuz the law will be reading much into this and it will never be in our favor....And prices NEVER go down.
Yes there is already another prop which does not include new prohibition and new Canna Crimes...only it makes it so recreational users can grow A LOT, keeps taxes low...but on the down side...Dick might just have to learn to live within his means as a millionaire
There it is! The Forest!!!!!!
For the record...I do not sell...I have been growing a very small amount in ~25sqft for 2 years...the cost is prohibitive...I want to grow outdoors. Everybody keeps saying prohibition does not work...YES!!! but this is just modified prohibition which mildly benefits the short attention span crowd...hurts the small organic grower and greatly benefits those who can afford 4-5 figure permits.
Now...CPS may get involved after an abuse allegation if MJ or paraphernalia is involved...as bad as it would be to lose your kids over a plant...It would be much easier to get them back...if you were not sitting in the state pen. Though right now it could be determined to be contributing to delinquency...this is much different than a FELONY!!!!!!! So this shit passes...CPS Takes the kids and you go to prison...Good luck getting them back!
BUT...What if dick just left this part out, you know...legalizing MJ rather than criminalizing it...now we have prop 19 and it's pseudo legalization but no stipulation of felony level crimes...Would CPS still take the kids...or would they decide that it is legal in the state of California???? IDK the answer, but prop 19 takes the subjectivity out of the equation...well adjusted kids who are doing well in school, active in extra curricular activities, happy and drug free with parent(s) that puff and do not abuse the kids...their (CPS) hands will be tied and they will be required to call LEO and testify at the felony trial...Thanks Dick I truly hope you get what you deserve
Humboldt14
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nice.......................
TokinPodPilot
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A criminal record of your infraction.... riiight. Sure. Again, Prop. 19 does nothing against the Controlled Substances Act, the real source of cannabis prohibition. Possession is not a crime under state law. Even cultivation for the purpose of personal consumption is relatively decriminalized thanks to Prop. 36. Gifting, sharing, even transport (bearing in mind open container laws and restrictions which means keep it in the bloody trunk) are now decriminalized. In fact, the only thing really still completely criminal is your precious "intent to sell". That one hurdle that keeps you from all the shiny profits like you describe here....
And there we have the real impetus for your support. You want yourself a business and for whatever reason non-for-profit confuses you. Given your understanding of the current status of decriminalization in this state and what it means, I can see how the concept of earning a reasonable living and being not-for-profit would seem so outrageous. Of course, you also like to gloss over the fact that your profits come at the expense of the 18-20 year olds that get busted because they're suddenly excluded by law you voted in. I am all too aware of the reasons that cannabis was made illegal. As a long time activist and proponent of decriminalization, I have a very clear view of the history that has brought us to where we are. I also have concerns for the non-medical cannabis users. The only difference is that I teach them to stand up for their rights under existing legislation as smokers and potential cultivators. I'm not pushing bad legislation on them so as to garner myself some profit margin. We don't need more laws and regulations, we're doing fine with getting rid of the ones we already have.
Hayduke
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Juicy Fruit
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LOL I dunno I was only +rep once that I can tell (at 125rep atm) also whos "mr rollitup"? :shiftyeyes: lmao someone is watching lol j/k
MrStickyScissors
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vote no! note now! yada yada yada but for reals though im just saying tho vote no tho you know what i mean tho
zephyrfoxy
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I hope everyone of you voting yes owns your home or has a laid back landlord. You have to have their consent in order to grow. Personally... I think the medicinal marijuana community is an awesome thing. It is finally something grown by the people, distributed by the people, and purchased by the people with little government interference. There are a lot of people in the "Emerald Triangle" that grow just to get by. Not everyone is greedy like this douche, Richard Lee. Personally... I'm not going to vote yes to allow someone to exploit marijuana usage as much as he already has. Vote no against corporate America!
reggaerican
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i understand your point about baby steps.. but here you go just one example why i dont like it.. currently there is hundreds of thousands of people wrongly incarserated for possesion charges.. with prop 19 that # can easilly clime since the limit will only be 1 oz on your person or home.. wow man that is a huge step backwards seeing that now i can possess 1lb.. but thats just one..
Humboldt14
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best point i have heard!
Humboldt14
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why the hell would we vote to posses less pot then we can now with our cards. stop being lazy and go get a card and you are safe form arrest .
mikhail chalecki
Member
card holders are exempt, read this 5 times till you understand. i dont wanna point it out again
section 2 B
"8. Ensure that if a city decides it does want to tax and regulate the buying and selling of cannabis (to and from adults only), that a strictly controlled legal system is implemented to oversee and regulate cultivation, distribution, and sales, and that the city will have control over how and how much cannabis can be bought and sold, except as permitted under Health and Safety Sections 11362.5 and 11362.7 through 11362.9."
11362.5 is prop 215 and 11362.7 is sb 420. what this says is the city can make system to regulate cultivation, sales and restrictions on buying/selling except for people using 215/sb420
that quote is the direct language of the prop. currently for non cardholding smokers you cant hold or grow anything, how is giving everyone in the cities that uphold 19 new weed rights a bad thing? if you want less restrictions you can get a card, it is really gonna be that simple
Edwardo Ruffian
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So what you are saying is if someone in a medical mj state wants to smoke recreationally they need to lie to a doctor and abuse the medical mj system?? I hear the "vote no, just get a card" bit often, what crap. So because I want to smoke recreationally I have to bastardize the medical mj laws and lower myself to level of people who do things like cheat the Unemployment services in order to smoke. What a pity people like you exist at all.