NO! On Prop 19

[T.H.Cammo]

Not if your city decides otherwise. First post! Woot! (More to come, just need to get my cam back so I can start a thread about my bubblelicious grow)

That's partially true! If your city, or county, elects to "Stay Dry" by not allowing marijuana to be sold locally, they have that option. But, if Prop 19 passes (dispite the opposition from "The Emerald Triangle" and others) the California State law would still allow those residents to grow thier own, smoke thier own and carry thier own around with them, on thier person (even in thier "Dry Town" they would still be allowed by the new State law to grow, smoke and carry up to one ounce at a time).


That's one hell of a lot better than it is right now! I don't know what your situation is - but I can certainly live with that! My vote doesn't go to put money in someone else's pocket, I'm voting yes on Prop 19 because of what it will do for me and other "Personal Growers"! It's just common sense that anyone making those "big bucks" on illegal pot would want to keep it that way - Al Capone didn't want prohibition on alcohol to end either!

 

[MJSkywalker]

"Al Capone didn't want prohibition on alcohol to end either!"

I think you've just summed up the argument against Proposition 19 perfectly there.

 

[Hayduke]

Except in this case...Al Capone wrote and paid for a law that allowed him to sell even more as long as his kickbacks to the local yokels was above the table...And you can make a little bit of beer just for fun and only buy the rest from me or one of my buddies...and if you get caught drinking a beer in the same room as a 15 year old..you are going to prison...tomatoes are under no prohibition...Cannabis will be prohibited on many levels in this POS Prop...

Dick Lee should think about what happened to Capone

 

[MJSkywalker]

The question that needs to be asked with regard to those who oppose Proposition 19 is "who benefits?" Legalisation has got to be better for everyone than prohibition, both in the short and long-term. Prohibition has never worked and never will. It would be ironic if legalisation doesn't come to pass because of members of the community voting against it rather than simply the "just say no" brigade. Ironic and tragic.

 

[jfa916]

everyone vote yes plz

 

[TokinPodPilot]

Hmm... as inadequate and short-sighted as those arguments are... I'm still going to have to go with no. Tricky Dick Lee has made more than enough money exploiting cannabis users. I have no intention of handing him and those like him the keys to a brand new industry to corner while people rot in jail for risking what Lee and his cronies don't have the backbone to risk.

 

[Nocturnal1]

It will never get to the federal level until enough states have successfully ended prohibition.

Just like we'll need another 10 more states to get medical before the feds start to reconsider re-scheduling.

I know it will take forever...maybe never. But fsure, I vote No on 19

 

[Nocturnal1]

That's partially true! If your city, or county, elects to "Stay Dry" by not allowing marijuana to be sold locally, they have that option. But, if Prop 19 passes (dispite the opposition from "The Emerald Triangle" and others) the California State law would still allow those residents to grow thier own, smoke thier own and carry thier own around with them, on thier person

Hmm, ok...I was mislead. I thought they could prohibit the growth as well. My apologies.

 

[HSA]

This is one that really pisses me off because when someone's wallet is involved they tend you be conservative hypocrites. A friend said he was going to vote against legalization of marijuana because the price would go down. Now I know what he's growing. Sadly, I see just the opposite happening. The price will stabilize eventually with legalization and then we'll separate those who can and can't produce good marijuana for public consumption at reasonable prices. With legalization it will be affordable, available and we won't have to hide from big brother. I see nothing but progress ahead if it passes.

Right now we're selectively incarcerating people for the cultivation, sale and use of marijuana and depriving others of a pain reliever that could literally change their lives. Why? Because of money. If it is legalized, not just decriminalized, corporate America would get in on the action; someone like: the oil companies or the cigarette conglomerates, and they would get involved in a New York second. The sales tax alone could help restore our economy and reduce the involvement of the criminal element. Then we could get on with restoring our crumbling infrastructure to what it was in the past and put people to work.

If nothing else, look at our history from the perspective of alcohol prohibition, it didn't work! The illegality of it in the twenties made a fifty cent drink cost three dollars and the money went to organized crime as the demand went up and the supply vanished but there were no fewer drunks on the street.

We have the same thing now with marijuana only the organized crime element of the twenty-first century is the bloated bureaucracy of our federal and local law enforcement agencies. Do we really need over thirty prisons in California? The expense of warehousing those individuals convicted for marijuana offenses is overtaking the cost of public education. It's insanity. We could use those resources to secure our borders and solve legitimate issues. I'm voting for it and I hope you will too.

 

[Juicy Fruit]

Wish I was down there and could vote but sadly thats not gonna happen (I'am Canadian after all). If I were to chime in it would be to say Vote YES!!! people who vote NO either don't understand the world or are greedy and want more profit for themselves (lets be honest now). Sure the bills not perfect but its a step in the right direction, fact is it doesn't need to be perfect its all about public perception which is all law is realy you need look no further then to google "stupid laws from around the world" to know what I mean. What needs to happen is "perception" of weed needs to be changed first cause since the 60s the Gov has been spewing out faulcitys and pure lies in there own political agenda.
And more so for my own benefit this will help Canada also legalize it fully as we are huge trading partners of the U.S and can't just straight out go against them on such a bigi ssue...

 

[Humboldt14]

You live in the emerald triangle ....

Everyone around there is profiting from prohibition. Of course they're going to vote no.

thats very true, but you have to understand its alot of our only income. my father grew pot up here and so did my grandfather, i have freinds that are 4th generation growers, we have nothing else up in these mountains to live off of except growing and its been like that here for over 50 years

 

[luvourmother]

thats very true, but you have to understand its alot of our only income. my father grew up here and so did my grandfather, i have freinds that are 4th generation growers, we have nothing else up in these mountains to live off of except growing and its been like that here for over 50 years

I really don't understand this? After 19 passes you will be able to have a legal business and have much less worries about your own personal safety, your farm, raids, etc. Does having to pay a business license and some taxes bother you that much that you are willing to sacrifice having a potentially bigger and better business? Or is it the competition that scares you?

 

[Humboldt14]

I really don't understand this? After 19 passes you will be able to have a legal business and have much less worries about your own personal safety, your farm, raids, etc. Does having to pay a business license and some taxes bother you that much that you are willing to sacrifice having a potentially bigger and better business? Or is it the competition that scares you?

compitition is not the issue, do you know how pot already being grown were i live.

taxes are not the issue, everytime i pay for somthing i pay taxes.

the issue is the drop in value....

lets say you grow 500 pounds, you 5 workers that live on your ranch growing with you, and as a ranch owner you are paying for everything, all living expences including food, you are working from sun up to sun down for the whole season then you have to give all the workers a share,

then if you can only sell a pound for 500 bucks you are working for free

 

[mikhail chalecki]

I know it will take forever...maybe never. But fsure, I vote No on 19

umm why vote no if you acknowledge that whats happening right now might change the nation down the line? counterintuitive if you ask me

 

[mikhail chalecki]

well that drop in value wont happen over night, lots of people are claiming it wont even happen. anyway, if you guys plan to continue operating as a business be prepared for it be treated like one subject to licenses and taxes just like every other commercial cultivation operation. this is a very real change that will happen in the way the country looks at the plant. we really shouldn't waste the opportunity.

 

[luvourmother]

the issue is the drop in value....

lets say you grow 500 pounds, you 5 workers that live on your ranch growing with you, and as a ranch owner you are paying for everything, all living expences including food, you are working from sun up to sun down for the whole season then you have to give all the workers a share,

then if you can only sell a pound for 500 bucks you are working for free

I see, purely out of greed.

The way of growing you just described is what you are SUPPOSED to be doing right now if you were growing legally under 215.

 

[mikhail chalecki]

and if somehow a pound will be worth 500$, from the large consumer basis, thats fucking awesome, even more of a reason to vote yes. but be realistic, thats not gonna happen over night, and the government will most likely regulate the prices so they stay high where they can collect a significant tax on it. 35$ an ounce just doesnt seem a reasonable amount to provide tax revenue, especially if you are providing a quality product. if the govnt will be taxing it. depending if its a flat 50/ounce tax or a 12% sales tax the price shouldnt change much anyway durring the transition time

 

[Brokenneck]

Hi Guys.
Ive been in the market for decades. Buying, smoking, yadda yadda.
I have doubts about ma and pa farmers losing out. Myself, I will choose a mom and pop supplier any day before going to a clinic.
If ma and pa farmers have the Quality then trust logic, your business runs now on your quality.
It is hard to grow season, after season and deal with all that is involved.
If WeedMart becomes a reality will they have Great Quality, Only if Ma and Pa start growing for weedmart.

another note,
If you are running an operation now, quality outdoor, then if prop 19 passes there will be millions of gardens in the state.
With that said with more gardens in the state. is a ma and pa operation going to fall off of the radar?

I am so down for the ma and pa operations yes, but hey ma... hey pa... I wanna grow too. I will suck at it, but shit. Give me a chance, I will buy from you anyway I doubt I can produce what you can.

if the price of elbows drops by X% you could tax me an X. Give the price to the grower and the tax to the state/city. I'm okay with the 200 per z.


Oh and the shared space with a minor thing, that is not very clear. YES I have a hard copy of 19 and no on 19 literature.
currently child protective services will check on a home when abuse is reported and if plants are involved (with Dr. rec) if the plants area, and all paraphernalia are inaccessible to the minor child then no action is taken.
I know a patient.... No Plants just a locker of paraphernalia and having his cabinet locked saved his gear and kids, when the neighbor smelled smoke daily, they called.
If we want to get serious on smoking in same space as minor (or under 21) could we not smoke at anytime or in any space?
so we can not read too much into this prop.
I see it as a Beginning to changing the worlds view on MJ. Don't forget all are watching and it's is the United Nations that have placed this ban.

 

[Brokenneck]

Wait A Second.
500 lbs
$500 per
250K
5 People= $50K Each.
6 People=$41600 Each.

Okay then let's say I WILL WORK FOR MA AND PA FOR $35K theres a profit!!

 

[1gamma45]

You guys are become complete and total clown shoes about this Prop 19 crap. You have a chance to have the first completely legal MJ. And the 1/2 that arnt pissing on it cause its not what some dead guy said it sould be while the others are pissing and mouning about 25 feet of space to grow in.

both are retarded and your cutting your own throat. YOU WILL NOT GET THIS CHANCE AGIAN. Get it legal then fix it. JFCMoJ Wake up you morons.