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Roger A. Shrubber said:

i'm not angry...i haven't "SHOUTED" once....you're saying that EVERY poor person on the planet is there because someone is keeping them down....and that's simply not true. i'll give you around 65%.....the other 35% are useless, lazy, worthless pieces of shit. that 35% is actually worldwide in my opinion. and has little to do with income. there are just at least that many useless lazy pieces of shit on the planet, and they're spread through every layer of society. some are poor, and some got lucky and were born into wealth.
so don't be confused about what i'm saying. there aren't any more or less worthless poor people than there are rich people, or middle class people...it's just people in general that are useless. the focus of this conversation is poor people, we can switch it to wealth people or middle class people, and my opinion would be close to the same about all of them.

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I'm saying 98% are entitled. That's what SNAP fraud investigations have found. In the entire SSI program, fraud accounts for less than a half a percent of what is paid out.

These are immutable facts.

Stop hating on the poor. We shouldn't even hate on the wealthy. That's where the real money went though, so they'll just have to give it back.

Fogdog said:

I'm saying 98% are entitled. That's what SNAP fraud investigations have found. In the entire SSI program, fraud accounts for less than a half a percent of what is paid out.

These are immutable facts.

Stop hating on the poor. We shouldn't even hate on the wealthy. That's where the real money went though, so they'll just have to give it back.

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you're saying 98% are entitled to snap...what about everything else? foodstamps are far from the only form of aid.
and why do you think i'm "hating" on the poor? i'm just being realistic. where did i say kill them all? where did i say cut off their benefits?
you seem to think that anyone who doesn't agree with you about the poor must hate them. i don't hate poor people. i hate lazy people who let other people carry them through life, while they're busy bitching about how they're mistreated.....and i happen to know a fair number of poor people who fit that description. and i do dislike them. nothing to do with their bank balance, everything to do with their attitude, and how they deal with their lives.

and i'm sort of curious about how they check some of these things out. i have managed the apartments where i live for ten years. i have a house phone for the apartments, and never once in that ten years have i had the dhs call me and ask me if someone really lives here, if they really pay X amount for rent every month, if i have any idea what utilities average here.....and that IS the process here, i've known people who who got snap. they told me they brought a copy of their lease, a utility bill, and their i.d. no one checked that the leases were real, that the numbers on them are accurate. you can buy a book of leases where i buy them for the apartments. you can make one out to say you pay twice as much as you actually pay....they apparently don't check, at least in this area

“I don’t hate poor people they’re just lazy fucks who I hate”

“And believe me when I say they’re lazy fucks. I’m close personal friends with a whole bunch of these lazy fucks, who I hate”

Roger A. Shrubber said:

and i'm sort of curious about how they check some of these things out. i have managed the apartments where i live for ten years. i have a house phone for the apartments, and never once in that ten years have i had the dhs call me and ask me if someone really lives here, if they really pay X amount for rent every month, if i have any idea what utilities average here.....and that IS the process here, i've known people who who got snap. they told me they brought a copy of their lease, a utility bill, and their i.d. no one checked that the leases were real, that the numbers on them are accurate. you can buy a book of leases where i buy them for the apartments. you can make one out to say you pay twice as much as you actually pay....they apparently don't check, at least in this area

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We don't have to agree on our conclusions but in order to have a good dialogue, we ought to agree on facts. I posted links that very clearly show how the SNAP fraud rates were estimated. From what I saw, the rigor put into how SNAP agents estimate fraud was valid. From what I saw, the review process required for a young person to qualify for disability is tough enough to weed out most fraud. In fact, the system is tough enough so that we should be asking if they are denying aid to people who deserve it. I posted a link to that too. You just look around say nope, 35% fraud by pulling the numbers out your ass, then doubt official reports about fraud. It's not enough to just doubt. You have the information in front of you and you can certainly find more if you look.

If you just want to doubt without trying to get to an answer you understand, then fine. Just don't expect me to be nice to you when you just lazily question without trying to find out the answers.

What other aid programs are out there for the average person if not SNAP and SSI disability? Unemployment, I suppose, but that benefit isn't permanent. What else is there? What rental assistance program are you talking about? What do you really know about the program? Oh, and SNAP is determined based upon income, not phone numbers.

This country is full of dumb fucks who can't be bothered to dig for facts. Their opinions are worthless. The real problems in this country are caused by welfare queens but they are corporate welfare queens run by wealthy people who feast off your and other people's inability to seek out answers on your own.

Roger A. Shrubber said:

agreed, i was exaggerating to make a point.
i'm not even trying to defend wealthy people, i'm trying to wake some people up who just accept ridiculous rhetoric, and take it to extremes that are even more ridiculous
blaming "rich people" for problems is a distraction.....the people who are to blame for most of the countries problems are in washington, and the way they achieved their level of wealth is a big problem. where they acquire that wealth from is a problem. how they account for it is a problem.....how about we deal with that, and let decent people who own businesses run them, and pay their employs?

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When rich people manipulate our entire country and political system to serve themselves at the expense of everyone else, yeah, I'd say that's when rich people are a problem, fella.

Roger A. Shrubber said:

you live in a nicer, more optimistic, more black and white world than i do.
i still stand by my 35-40 % estimate. that many people who live at the poverty level or below do so pretty much by choice. 60-65 % actually have no choice, they try to better themselves, to support themselves, and the conditions you listed apply to them 100 %....apparently you just disagree with my percentage....that's why i say you live in a nicer world...i seem to have faith in a smaller percentage than you do....

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You need to get your facts straight.

Your 'guesstimates' are nothing more than bullshit.

ttystikk said:

You need to get your facts straight.

Your 'guesstimates' are nothing more than bullshit.

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they're the results of my personal observations, after having lived in different parts of this country for more than 50 years.
i have not done any polls, but i've known a lot of people, both poor and wealthy, and in between in that 50+ years.
do i strike you as stupid, generally? i'll admit to inadequacies, i'll even further admit to the same blindness i've observed in others about some of my own short comings. but i've become pretty accurate as to how people will behave after spending a short time in their company.
i've proven to myself time and again that in a given situation, most people will react a certain way. not every one. and not always in a negative way. but although different individuals may react differently in the same situation, most of them will react in a similar manner.

https://opentextbc.ca/socialpsychology/chapter/affect-behavior-and-cognition/

not me blowing smoke...me reading and learning more about people, then applying what i learn, and being told it's all no more than bullshit, because i don't agree with your rosy view of things

Roger A. Shrubber said:

they're the results of my personal observations, after having lived in different parts of this country for more than 50 years.
i have not done any polls, but i've known a lot of people, both poor and wealthy, and in between in that 50+ years.
do i strike you as stupid, generally? i'll admit to inadequacies, i'll even further admit to the same blindness i've observed in others about some of my own short comings. but i've become pretty accurate as to how people will behave after spending a short time in their company.
i've proven to myself time and again that in a given situation, most people will react a certain way. not every one. and not always in a negative way. but although different individuals may react differently in the same situation, most of them will react in a similar manner.

https://opentextbc.ca/socialpsychology/chapter/affect-behavior-and-cognition/

not me blowing smoke...me reading and learning more about people, then applying what i learn, and being told it's all no more than bullshit, because i don't agree with your rosy view of things

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Tell me more about my 'rosy view of things'.

I'm the one who said that wealth and income inequality are ripping this country apart and that authoritarianism is on the rise as a direct result of it.

How's that 'rosy'?