nitrogen?
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Of course they don't . They'd rather irradiate because it's a "proven method", and they have no studies on such things to guide them while they fly by the seat of their pants. One of them even shipped without a seal in place, and I don't think they all vacuum pack either. Long live pseudo standards..
I tend to doubt that the mold becomes problematic while it sits in storage or goes through shipping. I'm thinking it's a problem already and they're reliant upon some game of russian roulette testing while playing pass/go. They cut off their "controlled environments" by the time they cut the plant down. PNP had their recall because their vault is a bank safe and banks haven't had a need to refrigerate money.
It's quite simple, as with any perishable good, when we produce our own at home, it stays in the refrigerator until it lands in our papers. This preserves the terpenes. We don't leave it in a 150g bag on the table for a month, or a day, and ship it across the country in the back of hot vans. I'd refuse anything that went through that automatically and just out of common sense.
Fact is they really shouldn't be shipping it through standard mail or vending machines. It ought to be kept refrigerated, or in fact frozen. It'd be a hell of a lot better than milled and irradiated. But they're just a bunch of johnny come late-lies with their heads up their assholes sure in the fact that their shit don't stink.
Anyway, there are also such things as "oxygen scavengers", which are little packets of iron and salt that rust. You also see those in beef jerky bags and MRE's. MRE's can last 4 to 6 years but they're not generally regarded for their explosive flavor. Their marketing says the science is in and those rust packs help keep them fresher/better tasting.
Oxygen, and its exposure to it, is known to be one of the prime factors in the degradation of THC. Heat and Light being the others. Right now it's plain to that their procedures demonstrate a perfect ignorance of that, perhaps by will in some cases and in others not.
It would be tremendously interesting if random samples from customers, for each LP, and I think by requirement every single returned and refused sample from customers, were tested after enduring that round trip, which must all be seen as a part of their process.
Their manufacturing process and responsibilities towards their clients don't end when they throw it in the back of a van, but their quality control certainly does. Peace naturals claims to be withholding samples for longer term testing to better assess its condition overtime. They kept it in a hot vault and it went bad/had a recall. Now they said the problem was what? That the vault was hot, and now they'll be refrigerating that vault to ensure the viability of their samples long term.
Think about that. That's their control for the crap that they're sending you, and they're not treating it to the same conditions as the crap that they're sending you, because if they did, it would fucking fail, and they'd have another recall. But what about the crap that they're sending you??? It's cool, they say, because you probably smoked it anyway?? Holy fuck! I repeat, Holy Fuck!! "It's a good will thing. We're really just doing this for ourselves". Hollly ffffuck! And their so called control then becomes a biased, unrepresentative, and irrelevant sample. Stop letting them confuse such samples as "standards". The only real standard is whether or not it's something you'll use or not, but this program flips that around on you. Here's your dinner, bitch. Eat it.
Now, I'm sure they'll chime in, if this argument picks up steam to the extent that they can't ignore it, and declare that they do test returned products and pretend like it answers the first challenge too. So I'll be really clear. What I'm saying they need to do is to have a third party place mock orders where they get the packet and take it right to testing facilities and see how it compares to what they said was on the label from the batch. They can sample the whole damn batch that way and verify the accuracy of the marketing label, as well as consistency over time, including the worst case conditions of clear across the country in the hottest weather possible, and even with the full variety of potential couriers that they may normally use.
If it's being degraded in shipping, as I'm damn sure it is, then guess what? It's an unreliable and inconsistent product that doesn't meet any significant "standards". Let's stop dancing around it and call it the crap it is. This is how you can prove it.
BTW, come to think of it, what the MMPR appears to be lacking are clear provisions for punitive measures for when they fail the requirements of their licensing as LPs. Where is the accountability? Clearly we haven't seen any yet.
I tend to doubt that the mold becomes problematic while it sits in storage or goes through shipping. I'm thinking it's a problem already and they're reliant upon some game of russian roulette testing while playing pass/go. They cut off their "controlled environments" by the time they cut the plant down. PNP had their recall because their vault is a bank safe and banks haven't had a need to refrigerate money.
It's quite simple, as with any perishable good, when we produce our own at home, it stays in the refrigerator until it lands in our papers. This preserves the terpenes. We don't leave it in a 150g bag on the table for a month, or a day, and ship it across the country in the back of hot vans. I'd refuse anything that went through that automatically and just out of common sense.
Fact is they really shouldn't be shipping it through standard mail or vending machines. It ought to be kept refrigerated, or in fact frozen. It'd be a hell of a lot better than milled and irradiated. But they're just a bunch of johnny come late-lies with their heads up their assholes sure in the fact that their shit don't stink.
Anyway, there are also such things as "oxygen scavengers", which are little packets of iron and salt that rust. You also see those in beef jerky bags and MRE's. MRE's can last 4 to 6 years but they're not generally regarded for their explosive flavor. Their marketing says the science is in and those rust packs help keep them fresher/better tasting.
Oxygen, and its exposure to it, is known to be one of the prime factors in the degradation of THC. Heat and Light being the others. Right now it's plain to that their procedures demonstrate a perfect ignorance of that, perhaps by will in some cases and in others not.
It would be tremendously interesting if random samples from customers, for each LP, and I think by requirement every single returned and refused sample from customers, were tested after enduring that round trip, which must all be seen as a part of their process.
Their manufacturing process and responsibilities towards their clients don't end when they throw it in the back of a van, but their quality control certainly does. Peace naturals claims to be withholding samples for longer term testing to better assess its condition overtime. They kept it in a hot vault and it went bad/had a recall. Now they said the problem was what? That the vault was hot, and now they'll be refrigerating that vault to ensure the viability of their samples long term.
Think about that. That's their control for the crap that they're sending you, and they're not treating it to the same conditions as the crap that they're sending you, because if they did, it would fucking fail, and they'd have another recall. But what about the crap that they're sending you??? It's cool, they say, because you probably smoked it anyway?? Holy fuck! I repeat, Holy Fuck!! "It's a good will thing. We're really just doing this for ourselves". Hollly ffffuck! And their so called control then becomes a biased, unrepresentative, and irrelevant sample. Stop letting them confuse such samples as "standards". The only real standard is whether or not it's something you'll use or not, but this program flips that around on you. Here's your dinner, bitch. Eat it.
Now, I'm sure they'll chime in, if this argument picks up steam to the extent that they can't ignore it, and declare that they do test returned products and pretend like it answers the first challenge too. So I'll be really clear. What I'm saying they need to do is to have a third party place mock orders where they get the packet and take it right to testing facilities and see how it compares to what they said was on the label from the batch. They can sample the whole damn batch that way and verify the accuracy of the marketing label, as well as consistency over time, including the worst case conditions of clear across the country in the hottest weather possible, and even with the full variety of potential couriers that they may normally use.
If it's being degraded in shipping, as I'm damn sure it is, then guess what? It's an unreliable and inconsistent product that doesn't meet any significant "standards". Let's stop dancing around it and call it the crap it is. This is how you can prove it.
BTW, come to think of it, what the MMPR appears to be lacking are clear provisions for punitive measures for when they fail the requirements of their licensing as LPs. Where is the accountability? Clearly we haven't seen any yet.
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oddish
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I think the issue with the safe is a HC issue. Although I'm sure you could refrigerate inside the safe, the actual safe, the metal door, the fact that it has to be built out of concrete or their other list of permitted materials is all dictated by the security level of the facility. Large facilities (ie: Tweed) have to have like Level 10 security clearance based on the value of the product they hold. In order to satisfy that security level, your vault has to be poured concrete walls and a bank vault door. I can't say what it would take to refrigerate that, refrigerate inside of it, etc - I'm not scientifically inclined in that way by any means.
Either way, I agree it's a problem that should be addressed. I'm not sure how I feel about vacuum sealing the product, but the dual-seal medical bags seem to be alright. The Tweed jars seem like an impractical show piece.
Either way, I agree it's a problem that should be addressed. I'm not sure how I feel about vacuum sealing the product, but the dual-seal medical bags seem to be alright. The Tweed jars seem like an impractical show piece.
CalyxCrusher
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No kidding. They can also cut down on issues by.....oh.....................I dunno.......................not allowing news reporters into your rooms for interviews. Talk about a huge oversight on cleanliness. Looking at you TWEED. Another one 2-3 days ago. Focus on getting your shit together instead of trying to keep investors happy by bullshitting everyone in the media. Also, on the question of nitrogen being used, I would say no. It's all about dollars and cents, and that's just another expense
Jackal69
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well didn't expect these answers, very good..... seems to me we need to go back to the idea of home growing and DG's .... as they seemed to have less issues. oh by the way, anyone have any issues with a DG? like shitty weed or it came all moldy? seeing a bigger picture would help everyone in how they look at it.
Well again I look at the petroleum industry for history on how the govt fines and holds them accountable, which is basically self regulated until someone complains then if at fault.... they get a fine (usually the fine doesn't even compare to what they saved doing someone wrong) Bringing in big business really destroys an industry, look at walmart and other big box stores that changed the total landscape of the small town local business atmosphere. bring back mom and pop, at lest they cared about the community and they live in the community. bring back home growing for everyone and also DG's, inspect them if that makes the govt more happy.
this just seems like a failed experiment so far, fuck the growing pains, not like this is the first industry ever, so stop that argument..... I don't think... growers chime in here... but I don't think if you got a sad little plant from a friend .... you couldn't nurture it back and it would be good meds??? i.e. the argument all these LP's got plants from old MMAR growers and that why they are all being recalled and irradiated or look and taste like shit.... I don't believe that arguement
Well again I look at the petroleum industry for history on how the govt fines and holds them accountable, which is basically self regulated until someone complains then if at fault.... they get a fine (usually the fine doesn't even compare to what they saved doing someone wrong) Bringing in big business really destroys an industry, look at walmart and other big box stores that changed the total landscape of the small town local business atmosphere. bring back mom and pop, at lest they cared about the community and they live in the community. bring back home growing for everyone and also DG's, inspect them if that makes the govt more happy.
this just seems like a failed experiment so far, fuck the growing pains, not like this is the first industry ever, so stop that argument..... I don't think... growers chime in here... but I don't think if you got a sad little plant from a friend .... you couldn't nurture it back and it would be good meds??? i.e. the argument all these LP's got plants from old MMAR growers and that why they are all being recalled and irradiated or look and taste like shit.... I don't believe that arguement
No, actually, you have to do it correctly, and after which, it has to be stored correctly in order to minimize mold/bacterial growth just as with any perishable good, and furthermore to ensure the minimization of degradation of potency and overall quality all throughout transport. That means minimizing exposure to light, oxygen, and heat, plain and simple buddy, not up for debate. That's also absolutely the very same way that anybody with half a clue would treat their medical homegrown.
I have zero concern or care for your opinion which isn't even supported with logic or reason. It's completely worthless and this is an objective argument rather immune to a subjective overlay.
Yeah well the problem with DG's is they were often too industrious. Between the corrupt cash grabbing doctors, their puppet bs "advocate activists", and their puppet DG's, you needed to pay for a min 20g/ day prescription just to get one and then you'd be damn lucky if you ever get any weed out of it at all. But you know, you could probably mail order your prescription back from a "compassion club", at a premium.
Maybe once and only when you isolate those hotbeds of systemic cancer could a DG with a simple inspection from a reasonable alternative.
As well, once people got buggered like that Health Canada moved in for sloppy seconds by enabling these thieves since they weren't cancelling their contracts and were making the applicant re-apply to the MMAR to be able to apply for another DG.
Jackal69
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well that seems very fucked up, now don't it?... if HC wouldn't stop those things I can only imagine what big business is going to get away with in the future.... they have gotten away with more than a few things already.... sad really
I think as patients we have to drop these kind of LP's .... go with another and hope they don't turn to shit too..... uggghhh I suppose this will never work correctly until it's all legal.... as it seems when one part is Black market it all goes to shit.... too much corruption and underhandedness in both the business and govt
I think as patients we have to drop these kind of LP's .... go with another and hope they don't turn to shit too..... uggghhh I suppose this will never work correctly until it's all legal.... as it seems when one part is Black market it all goes to shit.... too much corruption and underhandedness in both the business and govt
Big Pauly
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They do just that to determine what happens to THEIR/YOUR buds after time. Read it but don;t have the link.
leaffan
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Not all DGs can be painted with that brush. I know a lot of very caring DGs, yes I also know some "industrious" ones..
j0yr1d3
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Yeah there was always a level of trust from "friends of friends" right up to compassion clubs and dispensaries. A way to see/test product before purchase, knowing quality would equal repeat business and they weren't out to harm you. Now we are just supposed to trust HC (who has never liked cannabis or people that use it), the Harper government (Christian reformists that are nothing but crooked and corrupt but have YOUR best interests at heart) and these new corporations (greedy bastards that know nothing about care and compassion) on blind faith? Patients are nothing but pawns to be exploited so these assholes can cash in apparently while continuing prohibition under the guise of "safety and regulation" (oh and don't forget tax revenue).