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...."buying moldy meds"

Who would buy moldy meds they can plainly see and smell? From an LP ....that's very possible!
Off the street mind you or a DG or CC. You get to see what you are buying in person. There's no hiding behind pictures.
As for sampling...There was a Hamilton CC starting up a year or so ago that gave out samples. :)
Nice gesture all be it illegal, the swag was all grown in green houses and at 6/g, it was a sad sight none the less.
Free was free though :)
 
I trust "ME" the most. So I'd rather make my own thanks anyway HC.
I will only support the LP system once personal growing is secured as a right. Period !
 
I trust "ME" the most. So I'd rather make my own thanks anyway HC.
I will only support the LP system once personal growing is secured as a right. Period !

Even if LPs can offer consistent, high quality product at a "fair" price?
 
personally if I was "allowed" to grow... sadly I'm not.... I would.... but again sadly I'm not and be legal. so for now it's LP's for me..... but I will not... again ..will not continue to get a supply from any LP that I hear horror stories on... I will continue to be in pain (even with my death pills I'm in pain) every day until I find one that can provide me with quality meds. hopefully next year we can all grow our own from the courts.
 
The Lp's can exist for those who need them. But if anyone try's to stifle my right to produce my own meds if I choose to, well they will be met with a hammer and disobedience.
I don't personally need a company to help me. I have quite a few methods of access. My real gripe is trying snuff out persona production. There will be no co-operation from me until that is a right or the law..... again.
 
No, actually, you have to do it correctly, and after which, it has to be stored correctly in order to minimize mold/bacterial growth just as with any perishable good, and furthermore to ensure the minimization of degradation of potency and overall quality all throughout transport. That means minimizing exposure to light, oxygen, and heat, plain and simple buddy, not up for debate. That's also absolutely the very same way that anybody with half a clue would treat their medical homegrown.

I have zero concern or care for your opinion which isn't even supported with logic or reason. It's completely worthless and this is an objective argument rather immune to a subjective overlay.

all cured ,dry buds still have moisture in them, if you seal and freeze, then thaw you will have more moisture inside the bag, leave it out and you have mold. if it takes a week to get to patient then youll have more mold . a fridge would be way better than a freezer, but you do whatever you think is right, with your own buds. hence Q.A and testing.
I have zero concern or care for your opinion also and you don't have a clue imo
why do you think the last recall was for..... mold in a bag from moisture and not vacuum sealing air out and left it sit, I have stored weed for 1.5 yrs and never had a issue
 
all cured ,dry buds still have moisture in them, if you seal and freeze, then thaw you will have more moisture inside the bag, leave it out and you have mold. if it takes a week to get to patient then youll have more mold . a fridge would be way better than a freezer, but you do whatever you think is right, with your own buds. hence Q.A and testing.
I have zero concern or care for your opinion also and you don't have a clue imo
why do you think the last recall was for..... mold in a bag from moisture and not vacuum sealing air out and left it sit, I have stored weed for 1.5 yrs and never had a issue

You're completely wrong and obviously not speaking from experience but what you theorize might happen, and just because you want to disagree with it.

If you seal and freeze, then thaw, you will have no moisture left in your weed. It's really not difficult to open the bag so it can defrost. You'll still have terpenes, and you'll still have potency, both just as if it were fresh cut, and where the alternative is obviously irradiated and milled. I leave it to you to figure out why for yourself:

1. Where does the moisture go, and how?
2. Why are the terpenes still there?
3. Why hasn't the potency degraded at all?

You're mistaking opinion with knowledge. I'm not. They're not equivalent.

The recall was because they let it sit in a warm environment. Do you know why refrigerators even exist? Do you know why every person that grows their own jars it up and cures it in the fridge? Figure it out. I expect the same from an LP, because it's the only way they'll get quality to the doors of their clients, and if refrigerated delivery cuts into their profit margins then boooohoo.

Storing it for 1.5 years and "never had a issue" means nothing, unless you can actually show us some hard data. This may shock you but anecdotes don't win you court battles with HC.
 
Well freezing it could be bad if it was wasn't stored in very thick plastic. FREEZER BURN is also real. If the product becomes freezer burnt then defrosting it WILL result in moisture being driven back into the bud. This could easily mold.
I agree with you particle that if frozen properly it will stay nice for a long time. I think if it was double vacuum bagged it would work. Single bagging may end up with a small pin leak and thereby not being sealed properly.
It has more to do with the equipment used and the thickness of the plastic bag material thickness. Professional or commercial grade vacuum equipment will do this. But not many folks have access to that. It only work because of the ultra thick plastic used.
Otherwise freezing is a risky storage method. Dry weed in mason jars in the fridge is also risky. Cool dry jar storage is the way to go. The buds store pretty well this way, but the weed will age this way. So using it up is best in 6 month from my experiance....IMO
Overall.....THE MORE MOISTURE LEFT IN THE BUD...THE HARDER IT IS TOO STORE.
 
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I heard mason jars in a dark place/cool is very good for storage also.... not exactly what ya guys are talking about .. but for informational stake
 
You're completely wrong and obviously not speaking from experience but what you theorize might happen, and just because you want to disagree with it.

If you seal and freeze, then thaw, you will have no moisture left in your weed. It's really not difficult to open the bag so it can defrost. You'll still have terpenes, and you'll still have potency, both just as if it were fresh cut, and where the alternative is obviously irradiated and milled. I leave it to you to figure out why for yourself:

1. Where does the moisture go, and how?
2. Why are the terpenes still there?
3. Why hasn't the potency degraded at all?

You're mistaking opinion with knowledge. I'm not. They're not equivalent.

The recall was because they let it sit in a warm environment. Do you know why refrigerators even exist? Do you know why every person that grows their own jars it up and cures it in the fridge? Figure it out. I expect the same from an LP, because it's the only way they'll get quality to the doors of their clients, and if refrigerated delivery cuts into their profit margins then boooohoo.

Storing it for 1.5 years and "never had a issue" means nothing, unless you can actually show us some hard data. This may shock you but anecdotes don't win you court battles with HC.


ok moisture man, tell me this, when you freeze the mmj and then so called open the bag to DEFROST,(omg) then you loose how many frozen trichs? telling me idk? wtf you have never grown? storing in a mason jar is a excellent way to store and cure..... so keep bagging there moisture man
and yup there is and always be moisture in the buds, no matter how well you cure or store, or dry.
refrigerators from the home to a commercial properly stored climate is a lot different. a commercial system is properly controlled and not even close to a home unit for food.
yes freezer burn lmfao.
google it dude
 
[QUOTE="... as it seems when one part is Black market it all goes to shit.... too much corruption and underhandedness in both the business and govt[/QUOTE]
I don't think we blame the 'black market' for the problems.The blame rest solely on the governments' failed attempt to control what plants a person can grow and consume. The black market worked just fine before HC got involved.
 
[QUOTE="... as it seems when one part is Black market it all goes to shit.... too much corruption and underhandedness in both the business and govt
I don't think we blame the 'black market' for the problems.The blame rest solely on the governments' failed attempt to control what plants a person can grow and consume. The black market worked just fine before HC got involved.[/QUOTE]
yes we can blame the black market because if something is easily sold without record and the other part of the same industry is regulated, recorded, taxes and such.... it easily corrupted from one side to the other .... back and forth, organised crime and the govt are both corrupted all because of the almighty dollar, even the lowly dealer is doing it for money.. tax free money.... the govt is doing it for money in taxes.... OC is doing it for money and nothing more...... sure you get the one guy out there doing it to supply his very sick mom... in the big scheme of things that doesn't matter.
now if it was as legal as tomatoes, I don't see too much corruption in the tomato industry, everyone can grow as many as they like. Limes a different story as Mexican cartels are getting into that driving up prices LOL
 
--(If you seal and freeze, then thaw, you will have no moisture left in your weed)--
Wrong!
--(You'll still have terpenes, and you'll still have potency, both just as if it were fresh cut)
drying does not effect the potency or terpens! only makes them better with time, fresh weed also is not full potential of the terpenes. after the cure they will be at there best
--1. Where does the moisture go, and how? when you dry majority of the moisture evaporates, but all bud will still have moisture in the buds. unless your a street grower and make your buds bone dry for sale.
--2. Why are the terpenes still there? it is how you cure the buds........
--3. Why hasn't the potency degraded at all? drying or curing will not effect the potency of the buds! with curing you receive a proper dryed & cured product were the terpenes will be at their peak odour & flavour.

--Do you know why refrigerators even exist? ya to store food in, this is 2014 and we don't have ice boxes anymore! lmfao,
--Do you know why every person that grows their own jars it up and cures it in the fridge? Figure it out.
ya you figure it out lmfao-- but just so you know, most wont store and cure in a fridge!!! most dry properly then use c-vault containers or mason jars and store in a dry dark place to keep potency and the terpenes and the curing works great. after 1-2 months you have properly dryed and cured buds with a minimal amount of moisture in buds. after all my testing and months of curing I have had a lot tested and the moisture counts are still resulting in a small % of moisture.
 
ok moisture man, tell me this, when you freeze the mmj and then so called open the bag to DEFROST,(omg) then you loose how many frozen trichs? telling me idk? wtf you have never grown? storing in a mason jar is a excellent way to store and cure..... so keep bagging there moisture man
and yup there is and always be moisture in the buds, no matter how well you cure or store, or dry.
refrigerators from the home to a commercial properly stored climate is a lot different. a commercial system is properly controlled and not even close to a home unit for food.
yes freezer burn lmfao.
google it dude

Well, you lose ALL your "Frozen trichs".... because they defrost. Of course, 100% of the thawed trichomes are still in the bag.

You don't even know what you're arguing, or trying to. You're wasting everyone's time.
 
.. I don't see too much corruption in the tomato industry, everyone can grow as many as they like. Limes a different story as Mexican cartels are getting into that driving up prices LOL

and yet... you still can't walk into a store and buy a half decent tomato.
 
Well, you lose ALL your "Frozen trichs".... because they defrost. Of course, 100% of the thawed trichomes are still in the bag.

You don't even know what you're arguing, or trying to. You're wasting everyone's time.

really? and you are the guy saying you should freeze weed! do not freeze weed! properly cure and dry nothing more.
 
--(If you seal and freeze, then thaw, you will have no moisture left in your weed)--
Wrong!
--(You'll still have terpenes, and you'll still have potency, both just as if it were fresh cut)
drying does not effect the potency or terpens! only makes them better with time, fresh weed also is not full potential of the terpenes. after the cure they will be at there best
--1. Where does the moisture go, and how? when you dry majority of the moisture evaporates, but all bud will still have moisture in the buds. unless your a street grower and make your buds bone dry for sale.
--2. Why are the terpenes still there? it is how you cure the buds........
--3. Why hasn't the potency degraded at all? drying or curing will not effect the potency of the buds! with curing you receive a proper dryed & cured product were the terpenes will be at their peak odour & flavour.

--Do you know why refrigerators even exist? ya to store food in, this is 2014 and we don't have ice boxes anymore! lmfao,
--Do you know why every person that grows their own jars it up and cures it in the fridge? Figure it out.
ya you figure it out lmfao-- but just so you know, most wont store and cure in a fridge!!! most dry properly then use c-vault containers or mason jars and store in a dry dark place to keep potency and the terpenes and the curing works great. after 1-2 months you have properly dryed and cured buds with a minimal amount of moisture in buds. after all my testing and months of curing I have had a lot tested and the moisture counts are still resulting in a small % of moisture.

First of all, drying IS, curing. That's all curing is, a slow, controlled drying. This process begins not when you toss into a jar, but the very second the plant is cut. This also slowly decarboxylates it, which may seem to improve the potency depending how you use it. "Curing" well, in sealed jars for one example, is the art of a slow, controlled release of moisture, which reduces the loss of terpenes, while also preventing mold and rot.

-You can decarboxylate it plenty fast, so curing isn't required for that.
-You can dry it plenty fast, so curing isn't required for that.
-You can't do either of them quickly and not deplete the terpenes absolutely. Not with the usual methods, at least.

Working the moisture from it gradually, what you call "curing", is solely done for maintaining the level of terpenes as much as possible. Just because you smell them better once it's been finally cured in two or three months, than they smelled a few weeks prior, doesn't mean you've improved on them either. That's infamously false reasoning.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_hoc_ergo_propter_hoc

Once it has been dried to an appropriate level, and with the terpenes still in place as much as possible, it may seem more potent both because of the terpenes still being present and also because it's going to burn or vape better, both resulting in an improved effect. It's also worth noting that if you're smelling them, they're being diminished.

You can still slowly cure them for several months and not have any terpenes to speak of because you screwed up handling it earlier. You are not curing to improve terpenes. You're curing to not lose them and to ensure they've diminished as little as possible while having the the bud set properly. The buds never smell better then when they're alive, or fresh cut. That's when terpene content is obviously as at a maximum, provided that you know how to grow them at all in the first place, and aren't some fraud dispensary that adds flavor drops because the 17 year olds that you licensed for yourself don't know jack that wasn't from copy and paste. They're also incredibly potent then as well, if you know how to use it, and you probably don't. That's why people love scissor hash so much and it's all downhill from there where terpenes are concerned.

That's the same reason "bubble" hash sucks. It's a "bubble" of misinformed self promoting circle jerks. "Let's start a fad washing all of the terpenes away in the water and call ourselves medical so we can sell sieve bags for hundreds of dollars to suckers who don't think anything through". But it's okay because "you can boil the water off and make a cure for cancer". Ugh.... You know one of the best reasons for being able to grow yourself is that these so called medical activists are even worse than the LP's. The LP's are just grossly incompetent, perhaps criminally even, but the former are flat out con artists, and grossly incompetent too, but I digress.

They're not "improving" with "curing" in the way that decarbing "improves" the cannabinoids. You're all mixed up with part knowledge and 1/4 understanding, so I can see why you're having trouble appreciating an advanced idea when it doesn't fit with what you think you know about something.

The problems with the internet in general, is how it gives instruction to simple minds who are only looking for the quickest and easiest answers, along with the soap box upon which they parrot and preach these rules of thumbs and simplest of steps as though they were gospel. As with any solid religion, they're brainwashed rather than enlightened, and kept entirely in the dark of the inner workings, mindlessly uttering what they think they know, while actively avoiding every actual thought, and derailing those of others. When their approaches fall into question, their expert status is imperiled, their skewed social soap box status directly challenged, and they charge to war defending their bubbles as they burst.

Your answers 1, 2, and 3, betray perfect ignorance, with a lock of tautology. In other words, you simply don't know, but that will never stop you from pretending to. But this last bit deserves special attention:

but just so you know, most wont store and cure in a fridge!!! most dry properly then use c-vault containers or mason jars and store in a dry dark place to keep potency and the terpenes and the curing works great. after 1-2 months you have properly dryed and cured buds with a minimal amount of moisture in buds. after all my testing and months of curing I have had a lot tested and the moisture counts are still resulting in a small % of moisture

A fridge is a "cool" place, and that helps slow the growth rate of things like mold. That's also why it's used for food! "lol". When it's sealed, you don't need to store it in a "dry" place. You can tie your mason jars to a boat anchor and toss them in the lake. This just goes to show the depth that you've thought this through.

I love the assertion that "most who know what they're doing are using c-vault containers".

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.thecvault.com/

So apparently it couldn't be done properly until ~year ago, and what amazing market penetration that is. But if people using them actually had a clue, they'd just buy Boveda packs in bulk and toss them in the mason jar or their own tin can, rather than spend $100+ on one. What a joke, but it's in your bible somehow! Preach it brother.

And toilet paper has residual moisture. That's why it's not brittle or dust. It's probably not far off from the ambient humidity levels. But that's a pedantic point to make if you're intentionally trying hard to miss the point as you seem to be.

Good luck with your c-vault and every other con job gimmick that rolls around the bend which your proud ignorance has made you vulnerable to. In the meantime you won't get another reply from me, but I'd simply ask that you stop derailing from the topics that matter, which isn't everything that you don't know. People like you are why I haven't posted before now.
 
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