news on the new house bill?

MMM Reports lame duck article is the last I read, has anyone heard more about the possibility of a Senate vote?

It seems ominous that the session is so close to closing and these cats have held their cards so close to theirs chests for months now. I wonder what will end up being so fundamentally different in the middle of the night from those drafts floated publicly for years now

Its been so long coming yet nothing ever happens. So why expect anything to change.Maybe I'm being too negative but why now, there is no worry about any of them losing their jobs, they are in for another 4 years no mater what they do--or do not do.

There are some problems with the bill getting ironed out but I still have hope something will be accomplished this session. The labeling requirements for medibles (and the provisioning center bill is now tied to the medibles bill) is causing a problem. As it stands now the typical caregiver would have trouble meeting the labeling requirements and they are trying to clean them up to allow more to participate rather than restrict it to the provisioning centers themselves. We want caregivers to benefit from the system too. That is the hangup.

Dr. Bob

Dr. Bob said:

There are some problems with the bill getting ironed out but I still have hope something will be accomplished this session. The labeling requirements for medibles (and the provisioning center bill is now tied to the medibles bill) is causing a problem. As it stands now the typical caregiver would have trouble meeting the labeling requirements and they are trying to clean them up to allow more to participate rather than restrict it to the provisioning centers themselves. We want caregivers to benefit from the system too. That is the hangup.

Dr. Bob

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Well......that is the "official" hangup......I wonder what the actual hangup is?

I have read a few of your posts, Bob. You do come off as a respectable man who genuinely cares about the patients but I can't lie......I have reservations when it comes to trusting your word after noticing that the majority of the RIU community has a serious issue with you that ignites some serious passion in their hearts, as demonstrated by their negatively polarized critical responses to your......well.....just you in general.

I like to think that perhaps you aren't this greedy demon I've seen you made out to be, but it seems my lack of information on the whole Dr. Bob controversy keeps me well balanced on the fence that divides the Dr. Bob/RIU-veteran backyards. Until I have reviewed an amount information large/reliable enough to draw my own conclusions, I would ask that no one be offended if I fail to accept any invitations to your backyard BBQs/pig-roasts any time soon. I do love me some smoked pork but it's very easy to eat too much of it, giving myself a bloated belly with heartburn to boot.

But hey now, just because I don't join in on the cookouts doesn't mean we can't all be good respectable neighbors. It would be best for the entire neighborhood, if we could get along as best as we can, afterall we seem to live on different sides of the same street. Just don't be a nosey gossiping neighbour, and we should have no problems working together in the community garden, improving everything for everyone, sharing ideas and sparking discussion about important topics. You seem to have a decent understanding of the big picture. I just can't tell if you moved into the neighborhood to gut our homes from the inside, selling the scraps to the highest bidder OR if your intentions truly are to improve the neighborhood as a whole.

With that all of that said, you seem like a pretty intelligent guy Bob. A man with a curriculum vitae such as yours has surely seen enough behind-the-scenes during his vast time spent in the field of mainstream medicine to understand that the overwhelming majority of American institutions/agencies/corporations are corrupt at their very cores. I would also conclude that a man of your background knows very well, the depressing details about how EVERY up-and-comer who is succeeding at making a name for himself etched into the upper echelons of the power structure of his political/occupational/institutional field of choice, must possess great skills of manipulation and deception, as well as possessing a fittingly natural ease of over-looking the universally fundamental morals and basic rights of humanity that such a ambitiously power-focused man is required to possess in order to stay focused on a background constructed entirely out of shiny, glittery, and golden MATERIALS (double entendre intended), without that pesky soiled and stained lens which we call "human conscience" obstructing his visual clarity of said background.

You can not honestly believe deeply at your core of being, that my last paragraph is an inaccurate portrayal of the great American consumerism driven socio-political-economic machine. Surely you mustn't TRULY believe the "OFFICIAL" image of the freedom-perpetualizing American democracy that has been designed, manufactured, and drilled into every sensory input that a less-than-upper-class citizen has at his/her disposal?

If you are as smart as I hope you are, at the very least I hope you consider the possibility that there could possibly be some level of validity and credibility to the things I've rambled/ranted on about in this post, which took me a decent amount of my valuable time to type out in hopes that you are smart enough to genuinely consider it's content from the perspective of an unbiased and open mind, followed by testing my theories against your current resource of factual evidence, without letting any emotion or conflict of interest cloud your judgement.

I guess my whole point in summary, is that centralizing too much power in one entity/agency is very bad for ALL OF US, and I truly believe the more those centralized powers regulatory-control expands, the more genuine FREEDOM we all lose. My research has yielded WELL BEYOND the sufficient amount of factually reliable/verifiable evidence needed to convince my logical/scientific mind into believing that more laws = more control = more revenue for the elites.

Think for a moment......can you think of plenty any instances of freedom-destructive legislature that has been passed through the darkness of night while dressed up and disguised to appear to the average Joe, as though it was actually designed with the intentions of providing benefit to the majority?

Heres a freebie: Affordable Care Act............................

Heres another freebie: Patriot Act.......................

What do you think Bob? Do we belong in the same neighborhood together? Is this neighborhood empowering, encouraging, and supportive of your belief system? Are you really a good neighbor? Or do you belong in a higher class gated-community?

I would love to eat some of your BBQ some day in the future. I just hope you take your time and grill the meat the right way.

Well excellent post and yes we are in the same zip code. There is a small core of folks that don't like what I represent and that is fine.

You are welcome to do some more research and come to your own conclusions. I do stand for standards and compliance with the act as written and enforced and there are those that don't like that. They are welcome to accept whatever level of risk they are comfortable with.

The bill is in play, but there are changes continuing. The government will amend it to grant itself more control. Get with your Senator's office to find out what the moves are.

Whatever Greg, you again misstate my position and I am tired of correcting you. Sorry I don't support your free for all, signature mills and scams to try and use section 8 (while risking others) to run your farmers market.

Dr. Bob

I simply cannot support this brazen game of regulatory capture/corruption of law aimed at strictly providing protections to an elite few already operating freely in contrast to MMMA with Main Street addresses and the same teams of lawyers now lobbying for this garbage. If these clowns with pounds/brokers profiteering from patients at 30$ per gram through their retail establishments and legal armies are removed from this criminal hunt/war, the very basis for our law, caregivers will quickly become an endangered species. The law of nature always trumps legal theory in the real world ...

The housing crash happen due to lack of regulations, don't believe it, then how come up in highly regulated Canada, there was no housing crash, in fact home prices are still going up from where they were in 2008. In Toronto $850,000 is the medium home price, compare that to Detroit, ha ha

The US banks were not checking what people were putting down on their mortgage applications. If U made $30,000 a year and put down U make $60,000 a year, U still got approved. The US banks thought, no worries, if they fail to make the payments, hey we can just re sell the house for more then we mortgage the loan for, problem is, every bank in town thought that and then the bottom felled out and us little people paid for the banks mistakes.

Canada banks are highly regulated and there is only a few brands, the USA had so many banks, they could not keep track of them.

Yeah, everything isn't all rosy up there, their taxes are too high and the police have too much power over the people, yet life isn't all too shabby for them. They all have free medical care and guess what, on a whole, they live a few years longer then us Americans

If I was poor, I would rather be a Canadian, if I was rich, I would rather be an American. Right now, I'm not rich or poor, I'm middle class like most Americans and pretty happy I live in the USA and super happy I live in Michigan vs many other states.

Did U know in Canada, if the fire dept wants to come inside your house to check your smoke detector, U have to let them inside...I'm not joking, its for public safety they like to say. If the police want to talk to U, one needs to talk to them, there is no right not to talk to the police. Then again, they got this Charter rights bill that gives them in some ways more freedom then us. They got a right to work in a safe environment, even if the work is illegal, same with drugs, they got a right to use drugs in a safe environment. If one is hooked on Smack, they can go to a safe injection site and have doctors and nurses help them to safety shoot up drugs, they get free needles and a safe place to inject the junk

Across the pond, way over in England being a drug addict is demean a disability and one gets welfare benefits since they are disable/unable to work

Actually the housing/banking crash that occurred was yet another brazen game of regulatory capture/corruption of law in this country, our housing was just the table game of the time chosen. Bill Clinton inexplicably repealed part of the depression era Glass-Steagall legislation/regulation banning banks from acting like casinos. The man went from being "dead broke" in the White House to one of our richest presidents in history residing off Wall Street in just a matter of years before we all payed the price. It's really not that hard to follow such piles of cash in reality, regardless of all the political story lines being sold to the American people.

Well I understand many people don't care for Obama but I really believe if anybody else was president, weed would not be legally sold to all adults in 2 states right now. Only him had the guts to go ahead and have the feds look the other way and ignore federal law, don't even think Clinton would had.

I didn't even look into getting my MM card until he was re elected for a 2nd term.

I also believe if the R's were in the WH right now, we would be at war with Iran and gasoline would be around $5 a gallon vs under $3 as it is now. Gas was over $4 back when GWB was in office and being from Texas he was an oil man and helped the oil companies make lots of $$$.

Look what Obama might be doing with immigration laws with using his executive powers to change federal law, not taking sides with the issue, just pointing out how Obama does what he feels is correct no matter what other think. Now if only Obama would use his powers to change federal law on marijuana, that would be awesome. Least he came out and said he feels weed isn't any more harmful then booze is.

Clinton was a jerk how he could not keep his pants on while in the WH and yeah he did go too far with changing Glass-Steagall law but if the banks had some morals not to abuse the changes, that might have prevented the collapse. They got greedy and then needed a bailout at our expense.

I personally feel everything went downhill when Reagan took office, now hes dead and we are still trying to recover from the damage he caused.

Then again, maybe it was the death of JFK when things started going downhill, we then got Nixon and Ford and then peanut farmer Carter .

Skylor said:

Well I understand many people don't care for Obama but I really believe if anybody else was president, weed would not be legally sold to all adults in 2 states right now. Only him had the guts to go ahead and have the feds look the other way and ignore federal law, don't even think Clinton would had.

I didn't even look into getting my MM card until he was re elected for a 2nd term.

I also believe if the R's were in the WH right now, we would be at war with Iran and gasoline would be around $5 a gallon vs under $3 as it is now. Gas was over $4 back when GWB was in office and being from Texas he was an oil man and helped the oil companies make lots of $$$.

Look what Obama might be doing with immigration laws with using his executive powers to change federal law, not taking sides with the issue, just pointing out how Obama does what he feels is correct no matter what other think. Now if only Obama would use his powers to change federal law on marijuana, that would be awesome. Least he came out and said he feels weed isn't any more harmful then booze is.

Clinton was a jerk how he could not keep his pants on while in the WH and yeah he did go too far with changing Glass-Steagall law but if the banks had some morals not to abuse the changes, that might have prevented the collapse. They got greedy and then needed a bailout at our expense.

I personally feel everything went downhill when Reagan took office, now hes dead and we are still trying to recover from the damage he caused.

Then again, maybe it was the death of JFK when things started going downhill, we then got Nixon and Ford and then peanut farmer Carter .

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If you have been paying attention, you must have noticed that Obama hasn't been looking the other way. All he did was have one of his goons write a press release saying that they would be making it lower priority. They were supposed to start looking the other way, but what ACTUALLY has been happening? Do you think the feds haven't been continuing the war on sick people across the country, regardless of medical legal status. There is a big difference between "looking the other way" and "managing the extortion of the sick"

We need a prez that somehow isn't a politician and is also immune to money and greed while also being in it for something other than power and manipulation.....so we need to lower the age limit to 4 years old and find a doogie Houser type genius.

Cory and trevor said:

We need a prez that somehow isn't a politician and is also immune to money and greed while also being in it for something other than power and manipulation.....so we need to lower the age limit to 4 years old and find a doogie Houser type genius.

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A presidential campaign today costs Billions (aka thousands of millions) of dollars. We may need the government to pay (aka tax subsidize) these clowns for this garbage directly in order to stop the constant campaigning (aka legal bribery & extortion) for D or R and get them to actually do their work. It would be nice to begin judging these asshats on their accomplishments/failures, rather than their ability to succeed as profitable celebrities detached from reality.

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A presidential campaign today costs Billions (aka thousands of millions) of dollars. We may need the government to pay (aka tax subsidize) these clowns for this garbage directly in order to stop the constant campaigning (aka legal bribery & extortion) for D or R and get them to actually do their work. It would be nice to begin judging these asshats on their accomplishments/failures, rather than their ability to succeed as profitable celebrities detached from reality.

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I've been saying just this for a while now. Campaigns should be 100% publicly funded. Each parties candidate gets a fixed amount of money, and fixed time period to campaign.... may the best man/woman win.

Never gonna happen though. How would corporate America tilt the field in their favor with that in place?

All I know is weeds been legal to buy in one state for all adults for almost a year now, thats still unreal to me. Recall back in Nov 2012, even AP news was saying its almost certain that the federal government will sue and stop Colorado from selling marijuana to all adults...then it became, well maybe the feds will allow people to possess weed but not to sell it, then as the months carried on and no word from Washington DC what they were or not going to do, it started to look like it might well happen.

Around one year ago I was on other non weed forums saying no way, I believe it when it happens, the feds will stop it at the last min, I was flat out wrong. Then months after Colorado had its first legal weed sale, wimpy Obama finally opened his mouth and said something like he feels weed isn't anymore harmful then alcohol is. Then July came and another state started selling weed to any adult.

That is a major freaken deal. I never thought I live long enough to see it happen. Sure back in the early 1980's I thought it happen but then came Reagan's "this is your brain on drugs" TV ads happen and then AIDS hit the news big time and for a bit, non married people were afraid to kiss each other, even the dentists all started wearing gloves and masks--which they still do today. Today we know kissing alone doesn't spread AIDS-it needs blood contact- and finally the big fear about marijuana frying ones brain is going away in parts of the country..in fact maybe all of the USA.

Do I love Obama, heck no, I think hes a wimp in many ways and he can shove those 55 mpg cars he wants us to buy, U know where ,,now hes crying about climate change, duh, the Earths climate has always been changing, how the great lakes happen, wasn't for ice ages, there be no great lakes here.

But Obama did allow 2 states to sell weed to all adults and 2 more states will be selling weed come next year. This is major-major news, even the DEA is screaming about it and getting nowhere with it. One can only hope come 2017, the movement will be too strong to stop, no matter who becomes the next president.

Obama is the best thing to happen to marijuana in a long, long time. Sure he could be doing much more for it but its still more then I ever dream would happen. I even quit using weed for 5 years starting back in 2004 expect when I visited Toronto once or twice a year cause it was so much cooler over there..then came MM in Michigan and Obama and I said what the hey, why not start using weed again in the USA, now I got this legal right to use MM here in Michigan..thats awesome and sometimes I still wake up and pitch myself that I'm not dreaming, that this has really happen.

Skylor said:

All I know is weeds been legal to buy in one state for all adults for almost a year now, thats still unreal to me. Recall back in Nov 2012, even AP news was saying its almost certain that the federal government will sue and stop Colorado from selling marijuana to all adults...then it became, well maybe the feds will allow people to possess weed but not to sell it, then as the months carried on and no word from Washington DC what they were or not going to do, it started to look like it might well happen.

Around one year ago I was on other non weed forums saying no way, I believe it when it happens, the feds will stop it at the last min, I was flat out wrong. Then months after Colorado had its first legal weed sale, wimpy Obama finally opened his mouth and said something like he feels weed isn't anymore harmful then alcohol is. Then July came and another state started selling weed to any adult.

That is a major freaken deal. I never thought I live long enough to see it happen. Sure back in the early 1980's I thought it happen but then came Reagan's "this is your brain on drugs" TV ads happen and then AIDS hit the news big time and for a bit, non married people were afraid to kiss each other, even the dentists all started wearing gloves and masks--which they still do today. Today we know kissing alone doesn't spread AIDS-it needs blood contact- and finally the big fear about marijuana frying ones brain is going away in parts of the country..in fact maybe all of the USA.

Do I love Obama, heck no, I think hes a wimp in many ways and he can shove those 55 mpg cars he wants us to buy, U know where ,,now hes crying about climate change, duh, the Earths climate has always been changing, how the great lakes happen, wasn't for ice ages, there be no great lakes here.

But Obama did allow 2 states to sell weed to all adults and 2 more states will be selling weed come next year. This is major-major news, even the DEA is screaming about it and getting nowhere with it. One can only hope come 2017, the movement will be too strong to stop, no matter who becomes the next president.

Obama is the best thing to happen to marijuana in a long, long time. Sure he could be doing much more for it but its still more then I ever dream would happen. I even quit using weed for 5 years starting back in 2004 expect when I visited Toronto once or twice a year cause it was so much cooler over there..then came MM in Michigan and Obama and I said what the hey, why not start using weed again in the USA, now I got this legal right to use MM here in Michigan..thats awesome and sometimes I still wake up and pitch myself that I'm not dreaming, that this has really happen.

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Personally I think Obama has been a real turd when it comes to marijuana. The Feds are still harassing the shit out of people all over the country, including medical states.

I thought he would be WAY cooler with marijuana that what he's turned out to be

Public campaign funding would be great but you will have to measure in milliseconds the time it takes for the word socialist is screamed out about that. Most likely on Fox n friends. It's the easiest solution, should be very effective and there for Would have the most opposition and $$$ against it. Canada has more major parties, not sure how to make that happen but according to my sister (a Canadian and proud) this helps a lot. Not many 49/51 votes there and the close divide between 2 evils here is the major problem and erases a need for diplomacy. US vs. Them keeps us divided and stubborn as shit.