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mr2shim said:

I don't think you can compare cars to knives or guns. Cars aren't designed as a weapon whereas knifes and guns are.

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Neither a gun or a knife is designed to cut or shoot yourself! With that said, I believe NoDrama's point is the fact that cars, like guns and knives come with a preconceived risk.

beenthere said:

Neither a gun or a knife is designed to cut or shoot yourself! With that said, I believe NoDrama's point is the fact that cars, like guns and knives come with a preconceived risk.

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to a point. One might feel secure having an Airbag, not knowing it can brake his nose if just bummed in the parking lot.

mr2shim said:

I don't think you can compare cars to knives or guns. Cars aren't designed as a weapon whereas knifes and guns are.

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knives are designed to cut things, they are not designed as a weapon, your use of an item does not make it that items sole use. I hit flies with a shoe, does that make shoes flyswatters?

Many Firearms ARE designed to be weapons, although many are designed to kill animals that are normally hunted.

Dumbest. law. ever.

NoDrama said:

knives are designed to cut things, they are not designed as a weapon, your use of an item does not make it that items sole use. I hit flies with a shoe, does that make shoes flyswatters?

Many Firearms ARE designed to be weapons, although many are designed to kill animals that are normally hunted.

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What is your point exactly? Why did you even make the comparison to begin with?

canndo said:

Big business has managed to convince you that "freedom" is the choice of a big mac or a whopper. You have been convinced that freedom has anything to do with consumerism - it doesn't. But Corporations really want you to believe it does.

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Freedom should include the ability to eat as many Big Macs, drink as much soda OR SMOKE POT if you want to... the idea of a nanny state creating laws to protect us from ourselves is nonsense and is not compatible with any notion of "freedom"

timbo123 said:

Freedom should include the ability to eat as many Big Macs, drink as much soda OR SMOKE POT if you want to... the idea of a nanny state creating laws to protect us from ourselves is nonsense and is not compatible with any notion of "freedom"

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Basically.

mr2shim said:

Bottom line, the Government shouldn't have to put forth laws that stop your stupid ass from sucking down liquid pancreatic cancer.

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The thing is this. If we had only a few obese people in the U.S., if the epidemic of obesity was not so bad, if corporations would quit inducing folks to over do it, if parents would control their children, if adults would ease up on their habits then nothing would be necessary and I would say nothing except that this local law was silly.

but when people demonstrate their inabilty to control themsleves then it is time for government to step in and try.

beenthere said:

Neither a gun or a knife is designed to cut or shoot yourself! With that said, I believe NoDrama's point is the fact that cars, like guns and knives come with a preconceived risk.

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And as so often happens the both of you are off the point but that seems to be necessary when one has to avoid the truth at all cost.

canndo said:

The thing is this. If we had only a few obese people in the U.S., if the epidemic of obesity was not so bad, if corporations would quit inducing folks to over do it, if parents would control their children, if adults would ease up on their habits then nothing would be necessary and I would say nothing except that this local law was silly.

but when people demonstrate their inabilty to control themsleves then it is time for government to step in and try.

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Basically, people are too stupid for their own good.

NoDrama said:

knives are designed to cut things, they are not designed as a weapon, your use of an item does not make it that items sole use. I hit flies with a shoe, does that make shoes flyswatters?

Many Firearms ARE designed to be weapons, although many are designed to kill animals that are normally hunted.

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And auto gas tanks are designed to store and dispense fuel to the engine, they are not supposed to be designed to explode. These were.

mr2shim said:

Basically, people are too stupid for their own good.

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Wow, if that is the case, then government DOES know what is best, doesn't it.

Don't forget that nearly every Citizen in the US is a product of OUR system. YOUR system, MY system. So if most people are so stupid, what does it say about OUR system? You want more of this system, nothing but slavery for everyone, but hey, at least we will be equal and not so fat.

NoDrama said:

Don't forget that nearly every Citizen in the US is a product of OUR system. YOUR system, MY system. So if most people are so stupid, what does it say about OUR system? You want more of this system, nothing but slavery for everyone, but hey, at least we will be equal and not so fat.

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I don't want more of "this" system, I want less of any system conservatives and Repulicans have put in place - because it doesn't work in any measure.

But you folks figure if we can just do it this way a little more, a little harder, a little longer than everything will turn out - you'll see!

canndo said:

And auto gas tanks are designed to store and dispense fuel to the engine, they are not supposed to be designed to explode. These were.

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Technically they weren't designed to explode. But they were not redesigned to correct a liability to burst. It's less reprehensible, but not by much. From the corporation's standpoint, however, weighing the cost of lawsuits v. a safer design makes perfect sense. It's a good illustration of the social failure of an unregulated market. cn

cannabineer said:

Technically they weren't designed to explode. But they were not redesigned to correct a liability to burst. It's less reprehensible, but not by much. From the corporation's standpoint, however, weighing the cost of lawsuits v. a safer design makes perfect sense. It's a good illustration of the social failure of an unregulated market. cn

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And that, sir, is exactly why I brought it up. It seems that our more right leaning posters haven't gotten the point even now.

canndo said:

Let us start with an observation or two.


Corporations are like the military, they become exponentialy better at what they do over time and they do less and less that does not result in efficiency at what it is they do.


Corporations do not spend money on things that do not in one way or another pay off. Corporations do not spend billions of dollars on marketing, advertising and PR if, by their own metrics those things do not work.

Corporations are still spending those amounts and they see profit from the effort. Their endeavors may not work on you and they may not work on me but they work on enough people such that they have not stopped their campaigns.

A very large part of corporate PR is an effort to get you to think that buying their product is your own, free and uninfluenced choice. It seems to have worked on you Doc

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ORLY? corporations are so clever and nefarious that they can force me to buy shit, even if i dont want it or need it, and make me think it was my own idea?

so i like Glenlivet scotch because i see so much advertising for it? REALLY?? when was the last time you saw an ad for Glenlivet or Glenfiddich?

i like hills brothers coffee because their advertising campaign brainwashed me into thinking it was better than folgers?

my preference for Tetly over Lipton means my tea choices are being manipulated by shadowy forces in my radio?

why pray tell do i prefer "Premium" brand saltines over all the other brands and types of crackers? because they have less salt than the others? because they cost $.30 less a box than keebler? nope. its the evil "Premium Saltines" cabal of conspirators pulling my strings like the puppet masters!

whoa now homey, now i see it! i use alliant blue dot and hercules in my .40 S&W's for my sig sauer, but Clays in my .45, because they MADE me decide those powders work best in those cartridges.

ZOMG!! i thought i bought IMR 4064 because it worked well across the board in all my rifles and worked best in my favorite rifle, but now i see! DuPont Chemicals is controlling my mind and making me choose their products without even realizing it! ohh wait, no they are not. dupont only makes one of the powders i use, and none of the other components that i choose, despite offering a full line of everything but bullets and brass.

i know, i like levis 501's because im PROGRAMMED to like those dungarees, despite the personal experience that wranglers (which cost half as much) only last 25% as long, ben davis jeans are too tight in the thighs so they always split at the seam right below the pocket. carhart jeans give me a nasty melvin, split my boys, and pinch my sac so i spend the whole day pulling my jeans out of my balls. need i go on?

I make my choices. MYSELF nobody makes me do shit.except buy motorcycle and car insurance, hook up to city power and water, get municipal trash service, and now, buy shitty health insurance i cant afford that wont cover anything unless i go into massive debt to pay the jacked up premiums for comprehensive coverage, so yep madison avenue doesnt run my shit, washington and sacramento do.

Wilksey said:

Meanwhile, on the streets....


"Oh you KNOW I'm holdin', watchu need? I got the dew, the doctor, pepsi AND the muthafuckin' C.C. Cola, and I just got in a shipment of some fly ass R to the C cola from down south my brother. I ONLY deal in half gallon MINIMUMS though homie, so whatchu need?"

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fuck homey, you got the hookup on Cactus Cooler? shit son that shit is BLAZIN the southland yo!

but peep this homes, i got a hookup if you wanna move mad weight of Dad's RootBeer, or Jones Lemon Pop son! also Tiki Punch and muthafucking Grape Crush BITCHES!

DrKynes, you mention products for which there is much market competition. But some of the really bigs ... energy, insurance, fuel, communications etc. ... are only superficially or not at all competitive. One size does not fit all. cn

canndo said:

The thing is this. If we had only a few obese people in the U.S., if the epidemic of obesity was not so bad, if corporations would quit inducing folks to over do it, if parents would control their children, if adults would ease up on their habits then nothing would be necessary and I would say nothing except that this local law was silly.

but when people demonstrate their inabilty to control themsleves then it is time for government to step in and try.

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obesity is NOT an epidemic. fatness is not contagious, and fatness has long been a problem in successful countries. you might as well lament that too many children survive infancy or not enough people get cholera or TB.

the real problem that you leftists really wont face is that you think fat people are unsightly, and undisciplined. my grandpappy got a little chunky late in his life but if you think a guy shouldnt feel free to get fat when he's 80+ then you are a dick!

you are obviously conditioned by the "Legitimate Press" to believe that "thin is in" and "fat aint where it's at" look closely at the picture to the left of these words. see that great american hero? see how fat he is? didnt stoip him from goin on safari, stoppin the war between japan and russia, bulilding the panama canal, turning america from an agrarian society to an industrial power, nor did it stop him from gett a nobel peace prize,, when such things MEANT SOMETHING! it also didnt stop him from bein a stone pimp. , nor did it stop him from starring in many of your grandma's erotic dreams.

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