New Year's Resolutions Pertaining to Politics.

DIY-HP-LED

DIY-HP-LED

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Well things in America aren't as stable as they seem, there are serious constitutional weaknesses that can and will be exploited. America is barely a democracy now, with a gerrymandered house and a senate that represents geography and not people in addition to a filibuster that ensures minority rule. The presidency is not democratically elected either, but uses the electoral college system and the president can have a minority of the votes by a lot and still win.

Here is an example of the mess our southern neighbors are in, it ain't pretty and it sure is dangerous for democracy.

www.politico.com

Efforts to Trump-proof presidential certification crash into congressional realities

As lawmakers weigh how to safeguard the certification of elections from a future Jan. 6 attack, they’re facing one huge constitutional roadblock.
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Fogdog

Fogdog

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PopAndSonGrows said:
If an actual Cold War didn't kill Democracy, internal bickering isn't gonna do anything.

Stop being so easily "brainwashed" by your own, or the opposite Party. You don't have to fight like hell to keep your country; hell, our military doesn't even have to.

Best advice for 2022: Don't trip, moneygrip.
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complacency of the antifascist majority is an objective of fascist propaganda.

Stop being so easily brainwashed.
 
PopAndSonGrows

PopAndSonGrows

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CatHedral said:
We do need to fight like hell to take back our society from the party of rape, pillage and lies. As long as the Big Lie keeps appearing in our media, we have an existential struggle on our hands. So take your sly “both sides” message, adorned with a straw man about the military, somewhere else.
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Oh I'm sorry, is this YOUR private thread? My bad.

That's part of what the problem is right there; "if you don't like it, leave". Fuck that noise. This is MY home, I'm not going anywhere.

Leave with my "both sides" argument? Meaning, you'd prefer the partisan bickering, WTF???
 
PopAndSonGrows

PopAndSonGrows

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Fogdog said:
complacency of the antifascist majority is an objective of fascist propaganda.

Stop being so easily brainwashed.
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WUT??? That makes literally 0 sense.

You're saying, the agenda of Fascists, is to support an antifascist movement?

. . . ....WUT?!?!?!?!
 
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schuylaar

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CatHedral said:
I’m guessing/hoping that 200 years from now, we will be living in the inner solar system but not on a planet or even moon. Earth will be slowly cleaned up and returned to a wild condition, as befits its major “purpose” which is to evolve the next sapience. We will need to take our wild humans with us, probably against their will. Planets are cradles. Adults live in deep space. Why they are so very quiet worries me.
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perhaps we worry the Adults?
 
PopAndSonGrows

PopAndSonGrows

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CatHedral said:
The both sides argument is disingenuous. It suggests there is not a night&day difference between the two parties when it is plain to anyone not suffering the red brain death.

So yes, I’m calling you out for seditious dishonesty. The only other possibility is that you’re mud-sucking stupid. And yes, I can tell you to shut your lie-hole and fuck off sideways. That privilege goes both ways.
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The argument is THERE SHOULDN'T BE a night & day difference. They're representing THE SAME PEOPLE. Us.
 
CatHedral

CatHedral

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PopAndSonGrows said:
The argument is THERE SHOULDN'T BE a night & day difference. They're representing THE SAME PEOPLE. Us.
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But they are plainly not. As for “should,”propose a practical way to operate, acknowledging that we are two societies in one place, in combat for who we are. Otherwise I revert to my earlier advice.
 
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schuylaar

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Fogdog said:
We aren't ready to spend our lives in space. We don't know enough about ourselves and don't know what we don't know. Maybe two hundred years we'll be ready
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oh we already know more than enough about ourselves- we can thank FB and Twitter.
 
PopAndSonGrows

PopAndSonGrows

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CatHedral said:
But they are plainly not. As for “should,”propose a practical way to operate, acknowledging that we are two societies in one place, in combat for who we are. Otherwise I revert to my earlier advice.
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It's been done. Can be done again with less divisive mentalities but go ahead, keep perpetuating your bullshit.

 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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CatHedral said:
It suggests there is not a night&day difference between the two parties
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We agree most of the differences are in how the loot is spent and not how the loot is gotten though, right?


CatHedral said:
But they are plainly not. As for “should,”propose a practical way to operate, acknowledging that we are two societies in one place, in combat for who we are. Otherwise I revert to my earlier advice.
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Practical and ethical often aren't the same thing. There needn't be combat, since that isn't practical when more ethical solutions are available.
Anyhow, the best way to operate is thru voluntary and consensual transactions. You know that, even if you won't admit it.

That then begs the question, why is government involved, since the outcomes, services, products etc. you might want may be different from the ones another person wants. If the transactions are voluntary and mutual, you would be free to engage others who want what you want and leave others who don't want what you want alone. Like peaceful adults do, or should.

Sort of a voluntarist panarchist practical and ethical market. Clearly what is done now has never really worked, it only causes perpetual strife, which you alluded to when you acknowledged the "combat" between ideologies that think they are different, but are actually the same in the means they use. (force, rather than voluntary association and trade)

My advice is the same as EInsteins, you know the one about repeating the same thing over and over and hoping for a different result.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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PopAndSonGrows said:
Actually no. People are leaving this state in droves, over inconvenient fees and taxes. It's a thing.
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Perhaps I should be clearer. I'm not saying people aren't opposed to "inconvenient fees and taxation".

I'm saying the two major parties aren't opposed to confiscatory means to fund government. Government is not a voluntary institution and uses threats, extortion etc. to fund itself and neither Republicans or Democrats are going to change that. Republicans may think they are, but not really.
 
CatHedral

CatHedral

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PopAndSonGrows said:
It's been done. Can be done again with less divisive mentalities but go ahead, keep perpetuating your bullshit.

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To say it’s been done, then not to say when, where and how, with link, is trolling. I have not heard of any successful program to rehabilitate the traitriots who have taken over one of the two parties but not the other. Your video did not address the issue.
 
CatHedral

CatHedral

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Rob Roy said:
We agree most of the differences are in how the loot is spent and not how the loot is gotten though, right?




Practical and ethical often aren't the same thing. There needn't be combat, since that isn't practical when more ethical solutions are available.
Anyhow, the best way to operate is thru voluntary and consensual transactions. You know that, even if you won't admit it.

That then begs the question, why is government involved, since the outcomes, services, products etc. you might want may be different from the ones another person wants. If the transactions are voluntary and mutual, you would be free to engage others who want what you want and leave others who don't want what you want alone. Like peaceful adults do, or should.

Sort of a voluntarist panarchist practical and ethical market. Clearly what is done now has never really worked, it only causes perpetual strife, which you alluded to when you acknowledged the "combat" between ideologies that think they are different, but are actually the same in the means they use. (force, rather than voluntary association and trade)

My advice is the same as EInsteins, you know the one about repeating the same thing over and over and hoping for a different result.
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No. While the transfer of money is a part of it, it is not the important part. You know as well as I that there is no tractable way to govern the deluded.

The rest of your essay is familiar and rejected.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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CatHedral said:
No. While the transfer of money is a part of it, it is not the important part. You know as well as I that there is no tractable way to govern the deluded.

The rest of your essay is familiar and rejected.
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Lame. I'll just sit here smugly knowing you ran away, again. Gee, what a surprise.

The word govern when not referring to self governance is a euphemism for domination.
Democracy is not self governance either. Not even close.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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PopAndSonGrows said:
WUT??? That makes literally 0 sense.

You're saying, the agenda of Fascists, is to support an antifascist movement?

. . . ....WUT?!?!?!?!
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I'll simplify.

There is no conservative movement in this country. What was once a right of center conservative movement has shifted so far right in authoritarian ideology that they are now fascist. Almost all US fascists are white and middle aged or more. The gender split among fascists is 60% male, 40% female. So, nearly all are white, older, male and deeply religious. It is a dwindling demographic.

There can be no "meeting in the middle" with these radicals. Democrats are already in the middle. To the right of the middle is Republican authoritarian fascist rule. Fuck that. We aren't going there. We are the majority. Our majority gets larger every year. So they lose if we are not complacent. Time and the law are on our side but we must not be complacent. We must show up and vote.

The strategy of this dwindling, radically anti democratic fascist minority is to suppress the vote. The confusion in your post might be due to your succumbing to their claims of "both sides same" in their propaganda. Or you have an objective in the bs you promote with your dumbass both sides are same argument. The claim that "both sides are same" is false. So are other claims made by fascist propaganda. They oppose taking measures to address human caused climate change by denying it even exists. They oppose women's right to privacy from the government when making medical choices. They scapegoat minorities for political purposes. And then there is the grift and graft. Nothing at all like it has been seen from Democrats for nearly a hundred years.

So fuck that idea of yours that we can "come together". I'm not going to agree with white supremacist fascist dogma that being a Republican has come to require of its followers. The majority in this country didn't in 2020. Fundamentally you are wrong on another point: fascists are radicals and do not compromise. One must suppress them. They understand authority.
 
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