New to LEDs

Rayne

Rayne

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GrowrillaShake said:
hey guys I know someone's going to tell me to search. But I have. So many options my head is spun. I need a LED unit that puts out like a 1khps in a 5x5 Scrog. I don't want the heat again when I'm up and running. But idk if I should be spending crazy cash on an led unit
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Start with a mass produced unit that is made by some "Big name" company. If you want, spend more time studying the information presented before building your own LED array. Someone has already mentioned some decent light array manufacturers that advertise with this forum.
 
Rayne

Rayne

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ThePlantInc said:
Angry? About?

Tried to sell scammy stuff? Uh no, I asked if anyone had any experience with a model of spectrometer.
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Out of fairness..... After asking if someone had experience using the particular light meter. The post quoted below does seem like ad copy and seems to imply you want others to follow your particular standards of product development by offering "Standarized" testing to as proof.

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That does bring up an interesting point as well; you guys should be looking to measure your lights real time with meters in the operating environments rather than only on spreadsheets. There are a number of environmental factors that can impact performance plus you could also validate the performance of your DIY creations.

To that end, would you guys 'standardize' on some form of useful measurement taken at certain characteristics so that it could be used for comparisons. PPFD is nice, but I think YPFD tells a better story, and DLI takes it a step further to something meaningful to a normal person.

These units are pricey at ~$1500 but they are quite competitively priced for the market. If you are doing a lot of building it is probably worthwhile to get. Before I order one I would like to know if any one has some feedback, recommendations or advice that can help me with spectrometers.

Thanks in advance.
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When someone tried to answer your question intellectually...

ThePlantInc said:
So no actual useful information? I was kind of hoping for something from someone intelligent, not just the trolling parrots that improperly use big words like 'empirically' to try and appear intelligent.

As I had stated, the spectrometers are needed for use out in the field, not in a lab. By real researchers with real education and real degrees running real studies backed by real money. Research funding is hard to come by and you want to get the best value possible while still maintaining the required standards. These units at ~$1500 are cheaper than the aforementioned models that are ~$2,000-5000 per. When looking at 30 units, that can result in savings of more than $15,000. That makes it prudent to do your research before buying.

I did get useful information from the Cinematic industry which has much higher standards for precise light measurement than the horticultural industry. They were quite helpful folks and there wasn't any of the ignorant comments like those posted in this thread.

Guess I shouldn't have expected much from a bunch of pot heads. Many of which have a difficult time growing a versatile and prolific plant species that can grow anywhere. It is referred to as a weed for a reason.

Nonetheless there was some tidbits of helpful information that I got from this thread. It is good to know that none of the vendors here even test their products so that easily excludes them from consideration for any serious commercial operation or research usage. At least you can get Asian manufacturers' products and manufacturing processes to be certified by third parties which is a requirement in the scientific community.

With the quick advancements in LED technology, and with Cree releasing their horticulture reference design, most of the CoB based products will be gone in relative short order. There is a good reason that the reference design uses discrete emitters rather than CoBs which is fairly obvious to those with formal education in the relevant areas.

Let's see how long it takes before you 'experts' figure it out.
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Just to be succinct, not everyone building a COB LED array wants to make money off of the knowledge they gained. Contrary to an assumption you have made, there are some forum users who are not drug dealers and are just growing for personal use rather than relying on some shady dealer. Plus there are some with college level degrees and or have enough working experience to have a college degree.
 
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ThePlantInc

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College level degree? Must be an american thing. Universities are the institutions that award recognized degrees.

Like I said earlier, it is difficult dealing with the uneducated. They just lack the basics and fundamental understandings.

What is the problem with vendors getting their products certified and validated anyhow? That is the real matter here. For real companies, product validation is a cost of doing business. Maybe they need to get hit with a few credit card charge backs for false product claims to push them into product validation.

And for the last time, it was not an ad. I am not selling or promoting anything. It was a legitimate inquiry as to whether some users had experience with the device. I posted the features of the device as they were more advanced than the MSC15 unit posted by another user in another thread. To be polite and not hi-jack his thread with another product, I started a new thread. As of now there still hasn't been one post by a person who has actually used the device.

The comment around the standards is reasonable to make when there are no relevant standards being used. It makes sense to have something that can be used for comparative purposes of products in the marketplace and to allow for peer review, third party certification and, for my intended purpose, research.

Maybe the numbers are too complicated for you folks to understand, or you just see any question from a new member as an attempt to sell something. That's fine, there are much better sources for information out there.
 
weed-whacker

weed-whacker

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BM9AGS said:
Led companies

Here's what I think is an all inclusive list of good cob led companies.

Artificial sun specialty- contact for inquiries
http://artificialsunspecialty.mysimplestore.com/

Northern Grow Lights
https://northerngrowlights.com/

Timber grow lights
http://timbergrowlights.com/?gclid=...jb6nburqI7waoSORMPToAQRqH6IEcl1rCEaAlT88P8HAQ

Johnson grow lights
Discount code for 20% is rollitup20
http://johnsongrowlights.com/index.php

Pacific lights concept
https://www.pacificlightconcepts.com

heavenbright.
http://www.heavenbright.com

TASTYLED
http://www.tastyled.com

Optic grow lights
http://opticgrowlights.com

GOGREENLEDS
Discount code for 15% is RIU15
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_c_0_3?url=search-alias=aps&field-keywords=cxb3070&sprefix=cxb,aps,198
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@OP
yeah any of these lights and you need 600w of it

@ThePlantInc


what gives dude? why u being such a cock face?
 
coreywebster

coreywebster

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ThePlantInc said:
College level degree? Must be an american thing. Universities are the institutions that award recognized degrees.

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The American educational system is different, from what I gather they stay in school longer and then go to college which is basically university. Both give degrees, there are a multitude of buildings at a university in the USA one will give you a bachelors degree and then another will give a masters. All are part of the same site and university. Collage is the term used more often so when someone goes "off to college" over there it would be the same thing as someone going to university in parts of Europe.
 
BOBBY_G

BOBBY_G

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over here 'college' and 'university' are interchangeable

then there is 'post graduate education' that some of us have attended.

im not that thin-skinned but im gonna go ahead and put "ThePlant" (apt troll name if i ever saw one) on ignore because i have yet to see a single worthwhile contribution to the forum.

ThePlantInc said:
Maybe the numbers are too complicated for you folks to understand, or you just see any question from a new member as an attempt to sell something. That's fine, there are much better sources for information out there.
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they have another saying over here, "Dont let the door hit you in the ass on your way out". oh and by the way, good luck finding better sources of info than RIU... one of the most useful forums on the planet with no shortage of qualified posters, you wont be missed i promise
 
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JorgeGonzales

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ThePlantInc said:
On the flip side there are you guys. Median education level is what, maybe grade 10? Majority of which are drug dealers? Some who are self proclaimed antisemitic and others that routinely threaten violence?
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As I said in my thread on spectrometers, I came asking for feedback and advice.
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And yet you are the one asking advice from violent, antisemitic drug dealers with 10th grade educations. Seriously pal, you need better people to associate with, because that's just pitiful. Maybe ask some of your fellow physicists instead.

Did nobody recognize your great intelligence and revolutionary ideas under your real handle? Aww.
 
testiclees

testiclees

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ThePlantInc said:
College level degree? Must be an american thing. Universities are the institutions that award recognized degrees.

Like I said earlier, it is difficult dealing with the uneducated. They just lack the basics and fundamental understandings.

What is the problem with vendors getting their products certified and validated anyhow? That is the real matter here. For real companies, product validation is a cost of doing business. Maybe they need to get hit with a few credit card charge backs for false product claims to push them into product validation.

And for the last time, it was not an ad. I am not selling or promoting anything. It was a legitimate inquiry as to whether some users had experience with the device. I posted the features of the device as they were more advanced than the MSC15 unit posted by another user in another thread. To be polite and not hi-jack his thread with another product, I started a new thread. As of now there still hasn't been one post by a person who has actually used the device.

The comment around the standards is reasonable to make when there are no relevant standards being used. It makes sense to have something that can be used for comparative purposes of products in the marketplace and to allow for peer review, third party certification and, for my intended purpose, research.

Maybe the numbers are too complicated for you folks to understand, or you just see any question from a new member as an attempt to sell something. That's fine, there are much better sources for information out there.
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Consider that these phrases "Like I said earlier, it is difficult dealing with the uneducated" and "for real companies", "numbers are too complicated" you present as a bloated ass clown. Your intention isn't legit inquiry. The faux intelligent tone thinly veils the juvenile masturbation mission of your antagonistic babbling.

You create a context where everything that follows presents as flaccid assholery. You've never mentioned and have even ignored the central focus of horticultural lighting I.e. plant response. You're not polite you're a loutish troll. You have no points, no credibility and seemingly zero experience with SS lighting.
 
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ThePlantInc

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More non-constructive posts from the common riff raff that inhabit these forums. The vitriol from the antisemitic and other 'well known members' just shows you how desperate they are to keep the facade going. Rather than discuss the facts, they are content with personal attacks and parroting the gibberish that they think they know about lighting. It is common for the ignorant to lash out when they feel their limited intellect is being challenged as they are unequipped to have a civil conversation.

But please do put me on ignore, it is much easier when the uneducated self identify. While entertaining at first, this is getting tedious and it is now clear that there isn't anything in the way of innovation on these forums. The 'discovery' of CoB technology isn't all that special - any visible light will grow plants. It is quite comical to believe that a bunch of hobbyists and unqualified pot heads 'stumbled' across something that the engineers of the component's manufacturer didn't know.

It makes it even more hilarious when the aforementioned unqualified pot heads make a statement that the manufacturer has no 'experience' in the horticultural space. Even though that manufacturer released a reference design (with real measurements, not spreadsheet numbers) and has an entire product line dedicated to horticultural applications. Plus they actually have the measuring equipment to provide real world information on the desired feature of the product.

Then there is the sensitive subject of quality control which none of the 'CoBers' want to address. Maybe it is because they are using lower binned components in their products than what they claim? As a consumer, how could you tell? It isn't like these guys even test their products so how do they know that they aren't getting knock off or relabeled components from their suppliers? It is quite easy (and profitable) for a dealer to switch labels knowing that the end consumer will never verify the component.

I'll leave you with that as the time committed to this exercise has come to an end. Came looking for information on a product that would normally be used for testing products in this field and left with the knowledge that the vendors here don't test their products. That is a win for me.
 
Rayne

Rayne

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ThePlantInc said:
More non-constructive posts from the common riff raff that inhabit these forums. The vitriol from the antisemitic and other 'well known members' just shows you how desperate they are to keep the facade going. Rather than discuss the facts, they are content with personal attacks and parroting the gibberish that they think they know about lighting. It is common for the ignorant to lash out when they feel their limited intellect is being challenged as they are unequipped to have a civil conversation.

But please do put me on ignore, it is much easier when the uneducated self identify. While entertaining at first, this is getting tedious and it is now clear that there isn't anything in the way of innovation on these forums. The 'discovery' of CoB technology isn't all that special - any visible light will grow plants. It is quite comical to believe that a bunch of hobbyists and unqualified pot heads 'stumbled' across something that the engineers of the component's manufacturer didn't know.

It makes it even more hilarious when the aforementioned unqualified pot heads make a statement that the manufacturer has no 'experience' in the horticultural space. Even though that manufacturer released a reference design (with real measurements, not spreadsheet numbers) and has an entire product line dedicated to horticultural applications. Plus they actually have the measuring equipment to provide real world information on the desired feature of the product.

Then there is the sensitive subject of quality control which none of the 'CoBers' want to address. Maybe it is because they are using lower binned components in their products than what they claim? As a consumer, how could you tell? It isn't like these guys even test their products so how do they know that they aren't getting knock off or relabeled components from their suppliers? It is quite easy (and profitable) for a dealer to switch labels knowing that the end consumer will never verify the component.

I'll leave you with that as the time committed to this exercise has come to an end. Came looking for information on a product that would normally be used for testing products in this field and left with the knowledge that the vendors here don't test their products. That is a win for me.
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1. You might want to find the definition of "Antisemitic" In the Oxford english dictionary. Are you Jewish? Did you mean to use the word "Bigot" or "Bigotry"?
2. When someone answered your question you automatically assumed more than you should have and just lumped everyone into same category. For the simple reason that "No one" had the same standards as you. From there came a slew of ad hominem points.
3. Once again... Not everyone here cares for and or is asking for the same level of standardized testing you keep trying push for. Not everyone here is looking to make money off the information they gain. If you have no intention of purchasing an LED array from one of the manufactures here. What difference does it make, to you, if they do not offer the data you seek? I have gone to websites for some of the big name LED array companies and failed to find the data I was seeking.
4. Spreadsheet numbers often come from "Real world" testing. Do you want videos of the testings to prove the data came from "Real world" testing?
5. Feel free to start posting information at the level you are seeking.
6. Feel free to find a more scientific forum that provides the data level your personality type needs before making a decision.
7. Assume what you want. However your assumptions do not apply to everyone.
 
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GrowrillaShake

GrowrillaShake

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I simply wanted help finding led producers. I don't think almost 3k on a light is acceptable. I don't have the knowledge or hand dexterity to build a light. Timber seems cool. I like the stuff the seem to have. I hope to recieve more positive help and less fighting.
 
DonBrennon

DonBrennon

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Airwalker16 said:
Still am jelly of those strips. What kind again?
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Don't know the make, they were left over from a bar fit out of this new restaurant http://www.thelowry.com/plan-your-visit/eat-and-drink/microsite/eat-and-drink-at-the-lowry/.

From what I can remember, they're 24v 3070 smd's in 5000k. We must've fitted about a mile of them in that restaurant and every 20m strip had to be driven by a 200w 24v constant voltage driver, so they're fairly powerful as far as strip led's go. Currently working on a Fertility clinic refurb and all the lighting will be delivered soon...............can't wait to see what turns up there. Everything we install these days is led and I've got a feeling there's gonna be some high quality expensive lights going into this one(there may be 1 or 2 'accidentally' cosmetically damaged fittings. LOL)
 
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