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Moflow

Moflow

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OneHitDone said:
Of all of those listed which do you feel produced the healthiest vegetative growth?
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They all vegged pretty decent, to be honest.
The average outdoor temperatures during the daytime here are pretty similar to my indoors grow areas so maybe the outdoor plants got toughened up by the wind and the rain and the Sun's Full Spectrum and heat but they looked stockier and more vibrant to me.
Plants outdoors were getting a dark period and were also subjected to periods of intense Sun light, 2300 umols max at times plus low readings when cloudy or in shade
Indoors veg around 3 - 400 umols 24/7
Maybe all that extra uv and ir and green and far red and everything else that's missing from all grow lights is being utilised by the plants outside?
I grow in pretty low temps compared to most others, vegging temps today are probably around 15 - 17°C 59 - 63F . It's all relative I tell myself, as my flowering areas are cool too.
One would be late veg, early flower area, 22°C ish lights on, the other 26°C ish. So it's all equal.
The plants might all grow a bit slower than other peoples grows perhaps but I can still chop a harvest every 4 1/2 weeks, that suits my style for 24 hour smoking...lol
Sorry about digresing slighty, ... but its worth noting my parameters.
Here's my take on vegging lights I've tried lol
The 250 HPS was nice for extra heat. Plenty of stretch in plants.
Then the cobs, 3000k 3500k better spread of even light across the canopy. Short and compact. I was surprised at how well the 3000k vegged, especially after hearing it'd be better for flowering than veg. I couldn't really tell much difference in the growth between the kelvin.
The strips, 4000k are great, better than the cobs even. Excellent spread of light, the plants are short and compact, easily manageable for my limited height and I can get a lot more plants under them too.
All the lights ive used grow healthy vigorous plants but there's no outstanding one in my opinion.
I don't know what I'm doing but it works......:bigjoint:
It's a pity it would be so costly to build a light that throws out the spectrum of the Sun but it would be worth looking into.... with sunglasses òn, of course.
I think you'd need extra cooling too.
 
ChiefRunningPhist

ChiefRunningPhist

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What's up guys, I've had a few people ask so I figured I'd just update here.

Still looking by end of year to have the project completed.


- Hollow square form factor
- Complete PAR spectrum
- Wi-Fi
- UVB


The 13 individual wavelengths/channels are intended for tuning from the Suns spectrum, to the Action spectrum, or anything in between.

I've been convinced that a hollow square is the best form factor for even spread throughout.

I'm using cat6 Ethernet cable to transmit power, provide control, and to connect the panels electrically. Cheap and can easily replace locally.

I'm using an rj11 jack/termination for my UVB solution. The PCB is a small double sided star which has The UVB chip on one side and the rj11 termination on the other side. The panels contain the phone jacks. Installing or replacing is as easy as unplugging a phone line.

There's still some clever wrinkles I've yet to disclose (well, imo lol), but those will be shown, rather than written about, at a later date.

Eats lots of turkey and smoke some good dank, hopefully I'll be posting pics by Christmas :bigjoint:
 
hybridway2

hybridway2

Amare Shill
SSGrower said:
IIRC the se500 uses a t8 solarcure? No uv leds.
Looks like Victor has updated his website but the description there for the se300 still seems off as does the one on led grow lights dot com,
https://www.ledgrowlightsdepot.com/collections/amare-led-grow-lights/products/amare-solareclipse-se300

the one one I have has citi cobs and 4 color of monos (warm white, cool white, red, far red no blue) given the description and based on certain posts re the solar bar 8 I'd contact Victor directly with questions on how the light is sold now.

But he also uses a lens over the mono (I think they are 5 watts ea) but it was my understand g the lense was to diffuse, not focus, so having the spots on the floor leads me to believe a focused light is still present. So yeah, you might not see the same thing with 1 watts.
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90• lensed 5w monos with diffusers. They blend well up top but I see colored spots low on the floor or plant to.
 
Moflow

Moflow

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ChiefRunningPhist said:
What's up guys, I've had a few people ask so I figured I'd just update here.

Still looking by end of year to have the project completed.


- Hollow square form factor
- Complete PAR spectrum
- Wi-Fi
- UVB


The 13 individual wavelengths/channels are intended for tuning from the Suns spectrum, to the Action spectrum, or anything in between.

I've been convinced that a hollow square is the best form factor for even spread throughout.

I'm using cat6 Ethernet cable to transmit power, provide control, and to connect the panels electrically. Cheap and can easily replace locally.

I'm using an rj11 jack/termination for my UVB solution. The PCB is a small double sided star which has The UVB chip on one side and the rj11 termination on the other side. The panels contain the phone jacks. Installing or replacing is as easy as unplugging a phone line.

There's still some clever wrinkles I've yet to disclose (well, imo lol), but those will be shown, rather than written about, at a later date.

Eats lots of turkey and smoke some good dank, hopefully I'll be posting pics by Christmas :bigjoint:
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I can't wait to see it my friend.
I love new lights.

A. What price will it be....?
And B. When will it be available on Alibaba.....? :bigjoint:
 
hybridway2

hybridway2

Amare Shill
ChiefRunningPhist said:
Lol ya I just want to finish it smartass. :bigjoint:
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Chief, loose the 535nm n replace it with 470.
At the approx specs I've read you did not include 470 which is highly absorbent & penetrable.
You have More then enough green in both your whites.
Pls do not add 450nm for that same reason but i think you covered that already.
Id love to play with this.
Ultimately it would be nice to have it a 24"-32" circle like a hollow UFO or the circular floros.
Can't wait.
Sighn me up.
 
ChiefRunningPhist

ChiefRunningPhist

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hybridway2 said:
Chief, loose the 535nm n replace it with 470.
At the approx specs I've read you did not include 470 which is highly absorbent & penetrable.
You have More then enough green in both your whites.
Pls do not add 450nm for that same reason but i think you covered that already.
Id love to play with this.
Ultimately it would be nice to have it a 24"-32" circle like a hollow UFO or the circular floros.
Can't wait.
Sighn me up.
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I agree! 470 is included in the 13.
 
hybridway2

hybridway2

Amare Shill
ChiefRunningPhist said:
I agree! 470 is included in the 13.
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Haha! Was excited n posted when only on like page 2, lol! I see you have made many modifications since.
Imo, 45% (the right burple-sounds like you're on the right track there) & the other 65% being x2 whites. I think the 5k Opti's were what i liked about your original plan. With them peaking in 420? Then it would be the reverse & you could add a few 450nm diodes. But its all about filling in the gaps right? And being fully tunable? W/ app even? Thats cool!!!
Seriously, Ive seen a company out there that makes the hollow circle high powered led fixtures. If you used that as your baseline you could replace boards (each qb is a serious hot spot light imo) with these donuts!!!! Imagine x6 , 24" Donut lights on a frame? No hot-spots. Then all the spectrum improvements! With control to protect a user from over UV'ng...
That would be cool.
The Circles are pretty wide if i remember correctly, fitting like x4 rows of mid sized diodes with room for monos.
I mention those because you may be able to get the (China prob) manufacturer of the cases to do the work or send
you a few cases to mess with.
Sounds cool! Hope you finish this out for a Proto soon. GoodLuck!
 
Moflow

Moflow

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hybridway2 said:
Haha! Was excited n posted when only on like page 2, lol! I see you have made many modifications since.
Imo, 45% (the right burple-sounds like you're on the right track there) & the other 65% being x2 whites. I think the 5k Opti's were what i liked about your original plan. With them peaking in 420? Then it would be the reverse & you could add a few 450nm diodes. But its all about filling in the gaps right? And being fully tunable? W/ app even? Thats cool!!!
Seriously, Ive seen a company out there that makes the hollow circle high powered led fixtures. If you used that as your baseline you could replace boards (each qb is a serious hot spot light imo) with these donuts!!!! Imagine x6 , 24" Donut lights on a frame? No hot-spots. Then all the spectrum improvements! With control to protect a user from over UV'ng...
That would be cool.
The Circles are pretty wide if i remember correctly, fitting like x4 rows of mid sized diodes with room for monos.
I mention those because you may be able to get the (China prob) manufacturer of the cases to do the work or send
you a few cases to mess with.
Sounds cool! Hope you finish this out for a Proto soon. GoodLuck!
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cobshopgrow

cobshopgrow

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buidl it please!
want to see 13 channels.

The Cat cable idea is clever and probalby really needed for 13 channels.
How many ampere will you allow over it?

I thought about the option, had cat cable and tons of awg 18 silicone calbe, went with awg 18.... was quite a mess even with just 4 channels, so one plus on that one, that sutff is dirt cheap also.
 
ChiefRunningPhist

ChiefRunningPhist

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hybridway2 said:
Haha! Was excited n posted when only on like page 2, lol! I see you have made many modifications since.
Imo, 45% (the right burple-sounds like you're on the right track there) & the other 65% being x2 whites. I think the 5k Opti's were what i liked about your original plan. With them peaking in 420? Then it would be the reverse & you could add a few 450nm diodes. But its all about filling in the gaps right? And being fully tunable? W/ app even? Thats cool!!!
Seriously, Ive seen a company out there that makes the hollow circle high powered led fixtures. If you used that as your baseline you could replace boards (each qb is a serious hot spot light imo) with these donuts!!!! Imagine x6 , 24" Donut lights on a frame? No hot-spots. Then all the spectrum improvements! With control to protect a user from over UV'ng...
That would be cool.
The Circles are pretty wide if i remember correctly, fitting like x4 rows of mid sized diodes with room for monos.
I mention those because you may be able to get the (China prob) manufacturer of the cases to do the work or send
you a few cases to mess with.
Sounds cool! Hope you finish this out for a Proto soon. GoodLuck!
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Thanks man, I thought about circular due the to the spherical emission of light, but it's the corners of the grow space that got me hooked on the hollow square.

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That's the lineup. A dedicated channel for every photoreceptor absorption peak, or as close as possible, with a few overlapping redundancies.
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I've attempted to tune the 400nm -700nm range to a "flat" SPD in this example. 435nm and 680nm are still needing to be added imo, but I've not found a 435nm made by anyone yet, and the 680nm are horrible efficiency, so waiting till better come out.
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hybridway2

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ChiefRunningPhist said:
Thanks man, I thought about circular due the to the spherical emission of light, but it's the corners of the grow space that got me hooked on the hollow square.

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That's the lineup. A dedicated channel for every photoreceptor absorption peak, or as close as possible, with a few overlapping redundancies.
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I've attempted to tune the 400nm -700nm range to a "flat" SPD in this example. 435nm and 680nm are still needing to be added imo, but I've not found a 435nm made by anyone yet, and the 680nm are horrible efficiency, so waiting till better come out.
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Nice! There was a guy here 2 years ago that did something like this using the Amare layout even know he had never heard of them. He had every nm in 1w diodes all on seperate, dimmable channels surrounding 35k, CXB-3070'S ran around 30w each.
It was housed in plywood but was cool AF.
He wasn't a grower n was supposed to link is to his friend using it but don't remember that happening.
I see your point about the corners. I still like the hollow circles with Border rails for the corners & very edges.
 
ChiefRunningPhist

ChiefRunningPhist

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cobshopgrow said:
buidl it please!
want to see 13 channels.

The Cat cable idea is clever and probalby really needed for 13 channels.
How many ampere will you allow over it?

I thought about the option, had cat cable and tons of awg 18 silicone calbe, went with awg 18.... was quite a mess even with just 4 channels, so one plus on that one, that sutff is dirt cheap also.
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Haha thanks and I hear ya, the bulk adds up fast. No more than ~1A per conductor. The cat6 is 23awg that I'm using.
 
ChiefRunningPhist

ChiefRunningPhist

Well-Known Member
ChiefRunningPhist said:
Thanks man, I thought about circular due the to the spherical emission of light, but it's the corners of the grow space that got me hooked on the hollow square.

285
365
385
405
420
455
470
505
545
630
660
730
3500k

That's the lineup. A dedicated channel for every photoreceptor absorption peak, or as close as possible, with a few overlapping redundancies.
View attachment 4427354


I've attempted to tune the 400nm -700nm range to a "flat" SPD in this example. 435nm and 680nm are still needing to be added imo, but I've not found a 435nm made by anyone yet, and the 680nm are horrible efficiency, so waiting till better come out.
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EDIT:
Using 3000k, not 3500k.
 
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