what are you talking about? what strain do you grow that flowers for 5 weeks?do you have pics of your cab?
Need advice on what to buy!
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hiddenidentity
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It makes me nervous to think about running that much wattage. If I was going to do something like this, I would need to run some electric as well. Not a huge deal, I used to be an electrician, but wires, and fuses, fuse boxes, etc would cost quite a bit more. I would probably need to be looking for at least a 3 bdrm house to make the electric use look legit I would think. hmmm... I guess its go big or go home though right?
I was going to go with Pure Power Plant. I smoked some, and it was lovely, and came highly recommended. Unfortunately the guy I got it from is behind bars now. Any recomendation would be appriciated, as always. I havent ordered yet.
This is deffinetly not a risk Im willing to take. Bud does not grow great where I live anyway, the summer is too short.
So can I make all these improvements for the extra $800 you think?
Snow Crash
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I dunno. Keep looking around. Don't jump the gun.
Take a look at the journals and see if there is anything you like.
Take a look at Vertical Coliseum grows (search on google) and other vertical setups to see if that is something you like. You can take a look in my current grow (signature) and check out my own 5x5 tent running a 1000w Sunlux HPS in an Air Cooled reflector with a 400w Digilux MH setup vertically. Just started flowering yesterday.
There are a lot of ways to grow. Don't be too paranoid about power usage. Anything under 25kwh per day isn't going to raise suspicion on a two bedroom. Hell, microwave a few things, run a couple TVs for a few hours, leave the computer running all day, cook a dinner with the stove, do some laundry, and run a space heater... And that doesn't include your inefficient refrigerator and water heater. Power usage is extremely easy to explain away at reasonable levels.
It is the people running 10,000w rooms using 125kwh per day that harbor the real attention.
As far as the wiring goes, it all depends on the rental. Most apartment circuits are 40amps at the main and usually 15amps in the main room circuits with a 20amp circuits for the kitchen and the washer/dryer. Figure, the 1400w of lighting (if digital) and the fans, are probably going to be pushing a 15amp circuit to the point of breaking, but if you could get a place with the right 20amp circuit in the right spot (at least within a reasonable distance with the appropriate gauge extension cord) then you might be fine. I do something like this for my own grow room, running the lighting on the 20amp circuit, while the AC unit and fans run on the 15amp bedroom circuit.
If renting you're not going to be able to do much electrical work in there. If you can't get anything more than 15amps then just try to stay at or beneath 1800w total and you shouldn't have any issues on that end. Maybe two 600w systems is a better configuration with available power being a limiting factor.
As far as strains go I think the ppp is going to be just fine. I am a big fan of my skunk x kush crosses and anything citrusy. Sensi Star would be a mentionable strain that you could consider. Dense indica buds, some variation, I got a kind of mutant lemon/kiwi phenotype of Sensi Star that turns purple. Really wild shit.
Take a look at the journals and see if there is anything you like.
Take a look at Vertical Coliseum grows (search on google) and other vertical setups to see if that is something you like. You can take a look in my current grow (signature) and check out my own 5x5 tent running a 1000w Sunlux HPS in an Air Cooled reflector with a 400w Digilux MH setup vertically. Just started flowering yesterday.
There are a lot of ways to grow. Don't be too paranoid about power usage. Anything under 25kwh per day isn't going to raise suspicion on a two bedroom. Hell, microwave a few things, run a couple TVs for a few hours, leave the computer running all day, cook a dinner with the stove, do some laundry, and run a space heater... And that doesn't include your inefficient refrigerator and water heater. Power usage is extremely easy to explain away at reasonable levels.
It is the people running 10,000w rooms using 125kwh per day that harbor the real attention.
As far as the wiring goes, it all depends on the rental. Most apartment circuits are 40amps at the main and usually 15amps in the main room circuits with a 20amp circuits for the kitchen and the washer/dryer. Figure, the 1400w of lighting (if digital) and the fans, are probably going to be pushing a 15amp circuit to the point of breaking, but if you could get a place with the right 20amp circuit in the right spot (at least within a reasonable distance with the appropriate gauge extension cord) then you might be fine. I do something like this for my own grow room, running the lighting on the 20amp circuit, while the AC unit and fans run on the 15amp bedroom circuit.
If renting you're not going to be able to do much electrical work in there. If you can't get anything more than 15amps then just try to stay at or beneath 1800w total and you shouldn't have any issues on that end. Maybe two 600w systems is a better configuration with available power being a limiting factor.
As far as strains go I think the ppp is going to be just fine. I am a big fan of my skunk x kush crosses and anything citrusy. Sensi Star would be a mentionable strain that you could consider. Dense indica buds, some variation, I got a kind of mutant lemon/kiwi phenotype of Sensi Star that turns purple. Really wild shit.
hiddenidentity
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Yea, maybe Ill start out with a 600w system while Im renting. I can always get another 600w hps if I decide to upgrade. Is the MH needed? If Im flowering for 8 weeks, that gives me up to 8 weeks to veg. Isnt that plenty of time to grow some big enough plants with about 200w of CFLs? more CFLs? I know I said I could spend up to $1800 earlier, but I would really like to keep it closer to 1k. Im getting a great deal on this sick guitar from a friend.
If I can find a place with washer/dryer hookups on a dedicated circut, that would be nice. This is a lot to think about. I wish I had a friend who grew, that way I could pick his brain in person, and check out his setup. I have been planing this grow op for probably 4 months or so. I want to make sure I get it right the first time. I know when I started out growing shrooms, I really didnt know anything, I just jumped right in. I spent a bunch of cash on stuff I shouldnt have bought- like a pressure cooker that would only fit 1/2 pint jars... I just want a system that will produce good, and can be upgraded later. Also, I dont want to cut corners. I want the best nutes, and a ventilation and filter system that is up to par. I think a lot of first time growers dont even plan for this kind of stuff.
mxyz250newb
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Unless you are purchasing LED's that are worth thousands upon hundreds of thousands of dollars if not millions you aren't getting a quality LED, I've seen other people use UFO's and whatnot, and they DEFINATELY suck, i know someone who bought 10 and after a month only 5 worked, now 1 or 2 work and they got sold cheap to some other sucker...
The closest i've seen to anything decent for veg (notice i didnt say flower?) is the stealth systems and even then its $1000 +++ and those arent exactly what i'd call good LED's, the fact is, the "good" led's are out of the average growers price range, for 90-250 dollars your better off spending your money on something else man trust me on this.... they are supplemental veg lighting at best at this point...
samljer
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Not worth giving up a person, for plant.
hiddenidentity
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I guess my post was a little mis leading. Im not moving out because I want to grow weed. The only reason I moved in with her was because I was behind on bills, and I lost my job. I am living with her while I complete school, get a job, and pay up my bills. She and I are both very independent people with kind of a weird relationship. She is the only person I know that actually "gets" me. Neither of us really likes people in general, and we value our space and privacy above all. We grew up together, and I have "been with" her for about 3 years, but it has never really been all that serious. I guess we are friends that have sex more than actual BF GF... Its great really cause we never fight, she stays out of my business, I stay out of hers... we see each other when we feel like it, no pressure...
With that being said, I DO love her, and would do anything for her.
Snow Crash
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For sure.
I think the first system I suggested is probably a better fit when it comes to keeping the cost reasonable and the power consumption within the limits of the circuits.
Vertical is the bomb for efficiency and maxing out your grams per watt averages. You don't need the MH, especially when you're running 600w systems (I don't even think they make a 600w MH, maybe...), but the benefits of a mixed spectrum are well known and exploited by experienced growers. The red light of the HPS does help with the production of flowering hormones, but the blue light from the MH provides much needed PAR energy which powers vigorous growth. The combination is deadly.
I start all my plants on CFL bulbs. They are good to take a plant to about a foot tall or so, but you need to be pretty mindful of the footprint and the distance of the bulb to the plant. CFLs need to be kept very close and as a result they don't have a very good canopy coverage. 4 foot T5 systems can be found for under $100 online (funky and cheap, but effective) and they would do as good a job, if not better, for about the same price as the high wattage CFL setup.
I think the first system I suggested is probably a better fit when it comes to keeping the cost reasonable and the power consumption within the limits of the circuits.
Vertical is the bomb for efficiency and maxing out your grams per watt averages. You don't need the MH, especially when you're running 600w systems (I don't even think they make a 600w MH, maybe...), but the benefits of a mixed spectrum are well known and exploited by experienced growers. The red light of the HPS does help with the production of flowering hormones, but the blue light from the MH provides much needed PAR energy which powers vigorous growth. The combination is deadly.
I start all my plants on CFL bulbs. They are good to take a plant to about a foot tall or so, but you need to be pretty mindful of the footprint and the distance of the bulb to the plant. CFLs need to be kept very close and as a result they don't have a very good canopy coverage. 4 foot T5 systems can be found for under $100 online (funky and cheap, but effective) and they would do as good a job, if not better, for about the same price as the high wattage CFL setup.
chronicallyDank
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While there is a little exaggeration going on here there is an underlying theme with LED grow lights... you get what you pay for. IMHO (without ever owning one) good quality LED lights are best suited for supplemental lighting.
+rep to zelweeds for some good level headed advice.
mxyz250newb
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EDIT if you want to skip the LED bashing and get to the metal halide / mercury vapor loving, and why you NEED MH or MV (and NOT HPS) skip to the middle. Also 600w mh bulbs ( non conversion ) are available.
I don't see the exaggeration? The LED's that are good are only being researched recently to the tune of millions of dollars.
I've followed so many LED grows and LED companies new offerings.
I think the most exciting thing about LED's is the fact that the research IS going on, and they are making new materials than can survive the cooling/shrinking process. Very high tech stuff, NOT CHEAP.
The reason alot of LED's are junk is because they overpower the diodes to produce more light, thus making them useless really fast because they deteriorate quickly. Also the ones that aren't overpowered definately wont be comparable to any metal halide, mercury vapor, or plasma bulbs (hps sucks).
The only exciting thing about LED's is the fact that the good ones will be cheap in the next 20 years, SHOW ME A LED GROW WITH NO SUPPLEMENTAL LIGHTING THAT OUTPERFORMS MH, MV, or Plasma lighting.
Also the LED'S that are higher wattage produce ALOT of heat, which alot of people don't know...
Yes LED's can put out a good concentration of a particular spectrum but there penetration sure sucks and if you had to purchase enough LED's to cover ur grow you would be out thousands and thats EVEN BUYING THE GARBAGE LED's THAT ARE AVAILABLE NOW. and even after that you still can't do a good flowering with them, theres no UVB LED'S at this point because when the chip cools it cracks or the lights deteroriate too fast, thats why millions is being spent on research but they HAVE figured it out, it's just gonna cost millions to buy the technology at this point...
Anyways go ahead and buy the LED's then and come back to us and tell us how it goes, then do the same grow again with MH lights and we will see what the scoop is.
I do believe the future is infact LED's or plasma / induction lighting or a combination of them all.
EDIT - want dank nugs with tasty crystals? Don't use LED's
EDIT Some better alternatives than led's - phillips ceramic metal halide 400w (needs hps ballast but if u buy it from the retailer its got lifetime warranty and its cheap)
Mercury Vapor bulbs on ebay - produce alot of UVB/UVA and being sold dirt cheap because they are being phased out, alot of lower wattages like 100w 175w 200w 250w etc... You dont get many lumans but the radiation the plant recieves is going to be wonderful
Solarmax 1000w mh (7.2 (or 7.4 cant remember)kelvin) - can be had on ebay for $80 and if you call the guy from texas (world of hydroponics) he will cut you a better deal if u call, these bulbs mimic hortilux blue's
solarmax 600w mh conversion bulb -same deal but more expensive than the 1000w LOL
don't buy digilux metal halide bulbs (5.5 kelvin), they produce !!!!NO UVB!!! they are the same spectrum as the cheaper maxlume bulbs(5.5 kelvin) (also made by cap) but reinforced to take the beating of the digiballasts (from caps rep's mouth). You are better off to buy two or 3 maxlumes and take the risk of them failing earlier (from caps rep's mouth). The cap rep also recommended to me to try ushio instead because they are a higher quality bulb!!!!!!
sunpulse 3k bulbs (replaces HPS) alot of guys claim to run a 10,000k bulb and a 3,000k bulb from sunpulse and never use HPS and go from veg to flower like that and have great results and I BELIEVE THEM, some also use the 6.4k bulb and the 3k bulb with good results as well.
Personally I've seen a plant vegged and flowered with mh , and a plant that was vegged with led's and supplemental lighting (still flowered in mh), and the plant that was vegged under mh was larger, and more potent (my guess is that since it was getting UVB from the beginning the plant new to create more trichromes during flowering) These were the same strain at the same time from clones, same nutes different veg room.
HPS is one of the biggest scams i've ever seen in my life dude... I tried hps alone, mixing hps with mh, and hps / cfl combo's and everything under the sun with an HPS (eye hortilux version super hps, the best right?). And the plants grew like shit, every time the hps was on it stunted their growth whether mh was going as well or not. Theoretically now I flower all MH's. The hps light can go past the beneficial 680NM far red light, and that causes plants to get confused and suffer. Also there is ZERO UVB from a hps bulb (UVB photon is the only thing that will make a plant realize its true potential).
Theoretically, I took all the hps bulbs out of my friends place and replaced with metal halide bulbs. I am not just preaching.
HPS is good for increasing bud size (some claim MH alone without HPS produces bigger denser nugs,and even running hps supplementally is bad, and I agree with them). but HPS is not gonna give connasieur nugs
For a supplemental light i'm looking into tanning bulbs from osram that produce alot of uvb, the trick is to supply the uvb amounts incrementally (if you are using a STRONG UVB supplemental light) with a very low amount in the morning, and around noon it increases and 1pm its nearing maximum and then slowly coming back down ( I can't find the chart but its useless unless u have a UVB meter anyways). Even the best MH bulbs dont produce enough UVB that you need them to limit them though, they actually produce very little but its better than none like a HPS. It's only when adding external strong UVB u need to worry about limiting it. For smaller grows theres a thing called a megaray, but with the price of MV lights on ebay i might just pick up a few of those until I can get my tanning lights....
UVB output is greatly diminished from high uvb output bulbs after even 6months of use and most is gone after a year or so, so it's best to start off with something strong because when its reaching the end of its life it will still be useful to you.
I don't see the exaggeration? The LED's that are good are only being researched recently to the tune of millions of dollars.
I've followed so many LED grows and LED companies new offerings.
I think the most exciting thing about LED's is the fact that the research IS going on, and they are making new materials than can survive the cooling/shrinking process. Very high tech stuff, NOT CHEAP.
The reason alot of LED's are junk is because they overpower the diodes to produce more light, thus making them useless really fast because they deteriorate quickly. Also the ones that aren't overpowered definately wont be comparable to any metal halide, mercury vapor, or plasma bulbs (hps sucks).
The only exciting thing about LED's is the fact that the good ones will be cheap in the next 20 years, SHOW ME A LED GROW WITH NO SUPPLEMENTAL LIGHTING THAT OUTPERFORMS MH, MV, or Plasma lighting.
Also the LED'S that are higher wattage produce ALOT of heat, which alot of people don't know...
Yes LED's can put out a good concentration of a particular spectrum but there penetration sure sucks and if you had to purchase enough LED's to cover ur grow you would be out thousands and thats EVEN BUYING THE GARBAGE LED's THAT ARE AVAILABLE NOW. and even after that you still can't do a good flowering with them, theres no UVB LED'S at this point because when the chip cools it cracks or the lights deteroriate too fast, thats why millions is being spent on research but they HAVE figured it out, it's just gonna cost millions to buy the technology at this point...
Anyways go ahead and buy the LED's then and come back to us and tell us how it goes, then do the same grow again with MH lights and we will see what the scoop is.
I do believe the future is infact LED's or plasma / induction lighting or a combination of them all.
EDIT - want dank nugs with tasty crystals? Don't use LED's
EDIT Some better alternatives than led's - phillips ceramic metal halide 400w (needs hps ballast but if u buy it from the retailer its got lifetime warranty and its cheap)
Mercury Vapor bulbs on ebay - produce alot of UVB/UVA and being sold dirt cheap because they are being phased out, alot of lower wattages like 100w 175w 200w 250w etc... You dont get many lumans but the radiation the plant recieves is going to be wonderful
Solarmax 1000w mh (7.2 (or 7.4 cant remember)kelvin) - can be had on ebay for $80 and if you call the guy from texas (world of hydroponics) he will cut you a better deal if u call, these bulbs mimic hortilux blue's
solarmax 600w mh conversion bulb -same deal but more expensive than the 1000w LOL
don't buy digilux metal halide bulbs (5.5 kelvin), they produce !!!!NO UVB!!! they are the same spectrum as the cheaper maxlume bulbs(5.5 kelvin) (also made by cap) but reinforced to take the beating of the digiballasts (from caps rep's mouth). You are better off to buy two or 3 maxlumes and take the risk of them failing earlier (from caps rep's mouth). The cap rep also recommended to me to try ushio instead because they are a higher quality bulb!!!!!!
sunpulse 3k bulbs (replaces HPS) alot of guys claim to run a 10,000k bulb and a 3,000k bulb from sunpulse and never use HPS and go from veg to flower like that and have great results and I BELIEVE THEM, some also use the 6.4k bulb and the 3k bulb with good results as well.
Personally I've seen a plant vegged and flowered with mh , and a plant that was vegged with led's and supplemental lighting (still flowered in mh), and the plant that was vegged under mh was larger, and more potent (my guess is that since it was getting UVB from the beginning the plant new to create more trichromes during flowering) These were the same strain at the same time from clones, same nutes different veg room.
HPS is one of the biggest scams i've ever seen in my life dude... I tried hps alone, mixing hps with mh, and hps / cfl combo's and everything under the sun with an HPS (eye hortilux version super hps, the best right?). And the plants grew like shit, every time the hps was on it stunted their growth whether mh was going as well or not. Theoretically now I flower all MH's. The hps light can go past the beneficial 680NM far red light, and that causes plants to get confused and suffer. Also there is ZERO UVB from a hps bulb (UVB photon is the only thing that will make a plant realize its true potential).
Theoretically, I took all the hps bulbs out of my friends place and replaced with metal halide bulbs. I am not just preaching.
HPS is good for increasing bud size (some claim MH alone without HPS produces bigger denser nugs,and even running hps supplementally is bad, and I agree with them). but HPS is not gonna give connasieur nugs
For a supplemental light i'm looking into tanning bulbs from osram that produce alot of uvb, the trick is to supply the uvb amounts incrementally (if you are using a STRONG UVB supplemental light) with a very low amount in the morning, and around noon it increases and 1pm its nearing maximum and then slowly coming back down ( I can't find the chart but its useless unless u have a UVB meter anyways). Even the best MH bulbs dont produce enough UVB that you need them to limit them though, they actually produce very little but its better than none like a HPS. It's only when adding external strong UVB u need to worry about limiting it. For smaller grows theres a thing called a megaray, but with the price of MV lights on ebay i might just pick up a few of those until I can get my tanning lights....
UVB output is greatly diminished from high uvb output bulbs after even 6months of use and most is gone after a year or so, so it's best to start off with something strong because when its reaching the end of its life it will still be useful to you.
Snow Crash
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Objection your Honor. Hearsay.
So much of this is blatant misinformation I don't even know where to begin.
Let me just start off by pointing out that UV light is not translated into energy. Instead, the harmful radiation damages the plant. Theoretically, forcing a response where by trichomes (nature's sun screen) cover more of the plant. There is no study I have seen to indicate to me that the amount of UV-B radiation provided by a far blue bulb maximizes the potential of a plant.
MV bulbs are being phased out for a reason. If they were so fantastic, our peers wouldn't have moved on.
Growers are winning awards not with LED, or with pure MH bulbs. They are winning with a complete and diverse indoor spectrum provided by more than one light source.
I also disagree with the statement about Digilux and question this "rep." Sounds more like a disgruntled employee... Or just an outright fabrication... Than good advice. Ushio is a fine brand, I don't mean to take anything away from them, but lacking UV-B does not make Digilux a poor choice in bulb, especially when you know something about pulse start lighting and frequency.
Soo.... Dunno what you were trying to accomplish there, but it could have been done with a hell of a lot fewer words. If you'd like to demonstrate the benefits of UV-B to the community then I welcome the experiment, but don't go around claiming things you haven't experienced and proven yourself first. My eyes are having a hard enough time as it is already.
mxyz250newb
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I admit i'm a newb...
I'll try to find links to backup things I've read... I thought UVC was the only REALLY harmful part of the UV spectrum? Also if the plants adapt to never having to make sunscreen, their children will take on that trait no? Evolution?
Ill just attach one article right now because it's on this pc... just to make you think... I'll admit it seems a bit wild but I have tested a few mh bulbs and hps bulbs , led's and MV's, no plasma though.
I'll try to find links to backup things I've read... I thought UVC was the only REALLY harmful part of the UV spectrum? Also if the plants adapt to never having to make sunscreen, their children will take on that trait no? Evolution?
Ill just attach one article right now because it's on this pc... just to make you think... I'll admit it seems a bit wild but I have tested a few mh bulbs and hps bulbs , led's and MV's, no plasma though.
mxyz250newb
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heres a thread about megarays here on rollitup , its not near as informative as other sites i've seen, i'll have to do more digging later
https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/43272-independent-study-about-affects-megaray.html
https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/43272-independent-study-about-affects-megaray.html
mxyz250newb
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also P.S. about the rep, it was RandM supply I called so maybe REP wasn't the right word as... main distributor for north america? anyways...the conversation DID happen, I grilled him about the kelvin ratings of the bulbs etc.etc and whatnot we talked for almost a half hour.
Anyways I dont even USE ushio i'm just saying what he said lol
I'm just trying to steer people clear of the same mistakes I made!
Also, I never said only using a single bulb was good.
Also if I can find tanning lights on the cheap, i'll show you the results, but for what it's worth right now i'm broke and looking for a used set to come up somewhere even though they will be weakened from use
Mercury Vapor bulbs were originally designed for a LONG life and not max output performance , they also use alot of juice for not many lumens, the tradeoff is they are putting out UVB which isn't easy to come by indoors!!!!!!! My friend had an olddddd ballast and lamp, it stays in his setup and he's sourced more bulbs...imagine that? He is also looking into tanning lights.
On another forum a gentleman claimed no more than 10% of your lighting should be UVB, 100% UVB would be bad...
EDIT : my plan is to have a rising/falling uvb bulb to simulate increase/decrease in uW/cm²
HERES A QUOTE FROM ANOTHER WEBSITE (reptileuvinfo.com)
Sunlight in tropical and sub-tropical regions has UVB levels typically rising to 300-400 uW/cm² (with a UV Index of about 7 - 10) by mid-day. On a clear day, levels may rise to above 100 uW/cm² (UV Index 1.5 - 2) within two hours of sunrise. Even in the shade or under overcast skies, 100 uW/cm² or more may be recorded throughout the middle of the day. (1, 2)
Anyways I dont even USE ushio i'm just saying what he said lol
I'm just trying to steer people clear of the same mistakes I made!
Also, I never said only using a single bulb was good.
Also if I can find tanning lights on the cheap, i'll show you the results, but for what it's worth right now i'm broke and looking for a used set to come up somewhere even though they will be weakened from use
Mercury Vapor bulbs were originally designed for a LONG life and not max output performance , they also use alot of juice for not many lumens, the tradeoff is they are putting out UVB which isn't easy to come by indoors!!!!!!! My friend had an olddddd ballast and lamp, it stays in his setup and he's sourced more bulbs...imagine that? He is also looking into tanning lights.
On another forum a gentleman claimed no more than 10% of your lighting should be UVB, 100% UVB would be bad...
EDIT : my plan is to have a rising/falling uvb bulb to simulate increase/decrease in uW/cm²
HERES A QUOTE FROM ANOTHER WEBSITE (reptileuvinfo.com)
Sunlight in tropical and sub-tropical regions has UVB levels typically rising to 300-400 uW/cm² (with a UV Index of about 7 - 10) by mid-day. On a clear day, levels may rise to above 100 uW/cm² (UV Index 1.5 - 2) within two hours of sunrise. Even in the shade or under overcast skies, 100 uW/cm² or more may be recorded throughout the middle of the day. (1, 2)
mxyz250newb
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Here this might help all you uvb nay-sayers....
http://www.greenmanspage.com/guides/thc.html
https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/36368-trichomes-thc-uvb-light.html
http://www.greenmanspage.com/guides/thc.html
https://www.rollitup.org/advanced-marijuana-cultivation/36368-trichomes-thc-uvb-light.html
Snow Crash
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There is nothing in either one of those links that definitely shows the benefits of UV radiation on the final product. I'm talking about harvest quantity and quality. It shows people are working on it. It shows there is maybe a little science behind the theory, but since 2007 it would seem that people are STILL experimenting. We know what is going on with UV, I know there is UV, but to say that a grower is somehow missing out because they aren't using the equivalent of a few photons of UV light per day is quite the claim to be making when you don't have any direct experience yourself. If you could post a definitive link. Something of a study where a control plant was exposed to UV while a sister clone is not.
I have seen a study like this before. Side by side pictures and a full report. The grower felt as though the final product was <10% more frosty. So, I'm not a disbeliever, but I don't think this is the end all be all next new thing in indoor growing. UV has been in our bulbs for years. Nothing new about it to be whipping up from what I can see.
If the effects were so dramatic there would be an obvious king and winner.
If you disbelieve in the influence of the gardener then look here http://www.icmag.com/ic/showthread.php?t=12653&page=1&pp=15
You can spend all the money you want, on all the bullish in the world, and at the end of the day this guy pulls a pound of bud (Chronic) from a 400w hps in a small cab running Canna Substra nutes in a drain to waste hydroton/rockwool mixture.
The key is to get the basics up front. All the outrageously priced new tech is great stuff to play with but it isn't the bread and butter, or backbone, of what a beginner should be focusing on.
mxyz250newb
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Yah I know i dont have everything nailed down but the proof has been removed from youtube , dudes account is terminated that I wanted to show you... anyways I'm not willing to post pics so I have nothing else to say on the matter of ME providing the burden of proof.
My suggestion, try flowering YOUR preferred strain under a cheapo plantmax MH bulb and if the results are decent, splurge for a nice MH bulb, although i've heard the importance of having UVB during veg sets up the role of the plant to produce sunscreen during flowering
I've never been impressed with pictures of HPS only flowered buds, when outdoors pics look SO much more crystally (and i know the sun is the bomb so its no comparison)
Also I swear I'll find it theres a guy who went veg / flower with a UVB/UVA promoted bulb and NO supplemental lighting, there was so many trichomes all over even with a high def pic guys couldnt tell if trichromes were growing on the pistils or not LOL some said it was impossible, but his buds held no secrets... they were tiny but they were connaseiur , he as well is not happy with the performance of HPS bulbs, I dont see why everyone IS happy to be honest... yes u can grow big buds with HPS but I am in a quality over quantity mindset. Can you imagine his results when he add's supplemental lighting? (you and I will have to use our imaginations on that one, he hasnt' made a new youtube account)
EDIT : Forgot to mention anyone wanna buy some HPS bulbs? lightly used, some new, I'm that confident in my research and experience
ALSO, did you read the .pdf file I posted earlier? If so did it provide anything of value or do u concider it all hogwash?
My suggestion, try flowering YOUR preferred strain under a cheapo plantmax MH bulb and if the results are decent, splurge for a nice MH bulb, although i've heard the importance of having UVB during veg sets up the role of the plant to produce sunscreen during flowering
I've never been impressed with pictures of HPS only flowered buds, when outdoors pics look SO much more crystally (and i know the sun is the bomb so its no comparison)
Also I swear I'll find it theres a guy who went veg / flower with a UVB/UVA promoted bulb and NO supplemental lighting, there was so many trichomes all over even with a high def pic guys couldnt tell if trichromes were growing on the pistils or not LOL some said it was impossible, but his buds held no secrets... they were tiny but they were connaseiur , he as well is not happy with the performance of HPS bulbs, I dont see why everyone IS happy to be honest... yes u can grow big buds with HPS but I am in a quality over quantity mindset. Can you imagine his results when he add's supplemental lighting? (you and I will have to use our imaginations on that one, he hasnt' made a new youtube account)
EDIT : Forgot to mention anyone wanna buy some HPS bulbs? lightly used, some new, I'm that confident in my research and experience
ALSO, did you read the .pdf file I posted earlier? If so did it provide anything of value or do u concider it all hogwash?
taipanspunk
Active Member
...how many plants are you planning to grow and how much space do you want to use...
...ill give you a complete price break down...
...ill give you a complete price break down...
mxyz250newb
New Member
Snow Crash maybe u should go read what SCARHOLE has to say and others in this thread.... (which is where I probably should have been posting in the first place)
https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/142792-thoughts-uvb-uva-lighting.html
https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/142792-thoughts-uvb-uva-lighting.html