NASA predicts irreversible collapse of civilization

Rob Roy

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He may well be an independent thinker, but he posts only a single thought here, over and over again. while that thought may further some conversations, it can grow a bit boring at times. "why can't government leave everyone alone" is a single note.
I do kind of get repetitious don't I ?

It's not just coercive government. It's coercive people. Government after all is just a fiction. At the end of the day it's just a bunch of guys that call themselves your leader. (hats off to Israel Vibration and the song Systematical Fraud)
 

Rob Roy

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If fapping off in his room in Grandmas house produced power, he wouldn't need any power hook up.

Sadly, he's just a bullshitter.

Probably doesn't even really lift.

I don't use much electrical power, but I think you give my virility too much credit if you think I'm capable of fapping out that kind of power production.

Lift? I have worn wrestling shoes older than you and once beat Doer in an internet arm wrestling contest. He nearly beaned me with a well placed rock, but I flipped the table over and hit him with a chair. That's right Jack McMahon!!
 

Harrekin

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I don't use much electrical power, but I think you give my virility too much credit if you think I'm capable of fapping out that kind of power production.

Lift? I have worn wrestling shoes older than you and once beat Doer in an internet arm wrestling contest. He nearly beaned me with a well placed rock, but I flipped the table over and hit him with a chair. That's right Jack McMahon!!
The bait was nibbled but rejected.

Damn...
 

canndo

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Fuel? Heating fuel, yes, in a sense anyway, wood is plentiful. Gasoline? Nope, still a slave to the pump. Although an older friend that passed away was showing me how to make a wood gasifier. It's a great idea, but I've not gotten beyond the theory part yet. Other friends make bio diesel, so that's a potential option too.

Permaculture? Some work needed there, but the gardens are getting bigger. Hugelcultur...(sic) in the works.

Got a kickass compost setup, worm farm and lots of bunny poop. Chickens my friend, chickens. Friends have a pig farm, we barter frequently. Can you say venison? Can you say arrows? I know you can.

Water is not a problem at my homestead.
Permaculture is self renewing, self watering, self perpetuating ultragardening. In the end the inputs become negligable and the output extremely abundant. The land is manged down to a few square feet until it can run itself. I practice an offshoot of this revolution, inenstive gardening. No green waste leaves my property, I feed myself and my wife rougly half of all the food we eat from 450 square feet and if things go well it will go up to 75 percent this year. The biggest problem I have however is my climate. 110 in the summer and 30 in the winter, so I can't quite get anual production. I highly urge you to look into the movement - just got back from a 4 day conference where folks are greening the desert sustainably. The front yard grass goes next year, for good. That is another 300 or so square feet leaving a place for quail in the back. Of course the "government" does not allow chickens here. They do, however, allow constantly barking and baying dogs.

Biodeisel is easy but unfortunately it doesn't really take you off of the petrol teat. Even if you grow your own oil bearing crops you still need petrol products. However, there are ways to use straight vegitable oil. If you do not follow Joel salatin's work you likely should. I consider hunting in land other than one's own to be poaching, and it is an input that needn't exist. The larger permacultured areas do not use water from streams that originate from outside the property, all water is havested from the land, all fertility generated from the land and all energy derived from wind and solar.
 

canndo

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It occurs to me, Rob, that your philosopy would be best served in permaculture. There are elements of a prepper mentality in the ideology, the permaculturists are managing to divorce themselves from the surrounding society and dealing with them on their own terms. They don't see the impending legal problems but that is where I am attempting to help them. The more they show that they are capable of operating outside of modern culture while still being surrounded by it, the more independent they become. That self apointed government you speak of that will take what they wish will soon take notice. Unless laws are established that preempt such incursions, they will be legislated into quaint little parks where the hippies live.
 

canndo

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One thing I forgot to mention - wood gasification is very easy if you are willing to pollute - the ethics of permaculture are strong against pollution mostly because they are polluting their air, their water and their land - the best way to guarantee less pollution. I am also involved in some experiments in what is called "biochar". The primary reason is that the soil around here is sand and clay. Biochar is a quick and permanent remediation. More importantly, there seems to be great advantage of biochar in mushroom cultivation. The problem with biochar is that it uses wood and that unless done correctly will pollute the air. Solutions have been found however, even without having to build a stationary retort.
 

Milovan

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Did anyone consider going to Mars?
Not lately but I have a piece of Mars here at home.
A very nice example of NWA 1195 Martian Meteorite.
A piece of the Moon NWA 5406 and a case for samples
of Mercury NWA 2999.

On a side note I heard
that squatters on wildlife sanctuaries
are depleting resources rapidly.
 

SirGreenThumb

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Not lately but I have a piece of Mars here at home.
A very nice example of NWA 1195 Martian Meteorite.
A piece of the Moon NWA 5406 and a case for samples
of Mercury NWA 2999.

On a side note I heard
that squatters on wildlife sanctuaries
are depleting resources rapidly.
That sounds like it would be worth some nice cash.

They don't have the resources to get rid of the squatters?
 

Rob Roy

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The bait was nibbled but rejected.

Damn...

You did tangle your line son. Here let me help you with the zebco. (pats lil Harrekin on the head) Now you press the button and ziiiiiing. You see, that there? That's a cast. Now let's get your line out that tree shall we?
 

Rob Roy

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Permaculture is self renewing, self watering, self perpetuating ultragardening. In the end the inputs become negligable and the output extremely abundant. The land is manged down to a few square feet until it can run itself. I practice an offshoot of this revolution, inenstive gardening. No green waste leaves my property, I feed myself and my wife rougly half of all the food we eat from 450 square feet and if things go well it will go up to 75 percent this year. The biggest problem I have however is my climate. 110 in the summer and 30 in the winter, so I can't quite get anual production. I highly urge you to look into the movement - just got back from a 4 day conference where folks are greening the desert sustainably. The front yard grass goes next year, for good. That is another 300 or so square feet leaving a place for quail in the back. Of course the "government" does not allow chickens here. They do, however, allow constantly barking and baying dogs.

Biodeisel is easy but unfortunately it doesn't really take you off of the petrol teat. Even if you grow your own oil bearing crops you still need petrol products. However, there are ways to use straight vegitable oil. If you do not follow Joel salatin's work you likely should. I consider hunting in land other than one's own to be poaching, and it is an input that needn't exist. The larger permacultured areas do not use water from streams that originate from outside the property, all water is havested from the land, all fertility generated from the land and all energy derived from wind and solar.

Joel Salatin is libertarian minded. Read his stuff. He seems to have his head right. I used to read the Permaculture Magazine mostly to oggle all the British hippie chicks, but yeah I get it. I tread lightly on the earth and eat what I shoot. I also shoot what tries to eat me. Fishing provides fertilizer if you're into it.

It's good you are into gardening. Have you tried to make a hoop house? It might help with your inconsistent temps.
 

Rob Roy

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One thing I forgot to mention - wood gasification is very easy if you are willing to pollute - the ethics of permaculture are strong against pollution mostly because they are polluting their air, their water and their land - the best way to guarantee less pollution. I am also involved in some experiments in what is called "biochar". The primary reason is that the soil around here is sand and clay. Biochar is a quick and permanent remediation. More importantly, there seems to be great advantage of biochar in mushroom cultivation. The problem with biochar is that it uses wood and that unless done correctly will pollute the air. Solutions have been found however, even without having to build a stationary retort.
Mother Earth pollutes now and then with bio char. Forest fires. She also spits a volcano now and then. Don't let Al Gore scare you. I'm beginning to think he didn't invent the internet.
 

canndo

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Joel Salatin is libertarian minded. Read his stuff. He seems to have his head right. I used to read the Permaculture Magazine mostly to oggle all the British hippie chicks, but yeah I get it. I tread lightly on the earth and eat what I shoot. I also shoot what tries to eat me. Fishing provides fertilizer if you're into it.

It's good you are into gardening. Have you tried to make a hoop house? It might help with your inconsistent temps.
I saw him speak last weekend. I don't have to agree with his politics to admire his work.
 

canndo

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Mother Earth pollutes now and then with bio char. Forest fires. She also spits a volcano now and then. Don't let Al Gore scare you. I'm beginning to think he didn't invent the internet.

Then let mother earth pollute, I grew up in LA during the 60's. There were days when I couldn't catch a breath, days when tears rolled down my face, Ethics is ethics, I try to put as little into the air as I can. Biochar is just activated charcoal without the polish. The difference is how it is made, right? you either use the gasses to help the process along or you put it into the air. Why not use it?
 

canndo

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Joel Salatin is libertarian minded. Read his stuff. He seems to have his head right. I used to read the Permaculture Magazine mostly to oggle all the British hippie chicks, but yeah I get it. I tread lightly on the earth and eat what I shoot. I also shoot what tries to eat me. Fishing provides fertilizer if you're into it.

It's good you are into gardening. Have you tried to make a hoop house? It might help with your inconsistent temps.
Treading lightly is nice, but it is only secondary to abundance. Most times that light tread is simply a better way to use an otherwise waste. I got into a curious sort of debate with a guy who is doing large scale composting for a series of university/hospitals in India.
He discovered that they were throwing rivers of waste into the surrounding areas and suggested composting. They accepted his help and after he went back to the states they offered him a full time job.

He was glowing with all the progress he had made, and he boasted that he had gotten all the hardwood sawdust from a local furniture manufacturer and used it in his compost as well. You know me fairly well Rob, I told him he was wrong and that the sawdust could be put to better use growing oyster mushrooms and THEN being put in the compost. I had never heard of people fighting over waste streams before. I pointed it out and now he wants me to go visit the place and give him some input.
 
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