My Super CFL Lowryder 2 AeroGrow

krakennkenji

krakennkenji

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Got#'sbutstillsmokeroache said:
Bro those are very nice for 37 days. I am still working on my first harvest my first 2 huge plants were male I finally have a female budding. I am glad you posted this because I have wondered about growing in those aerogardens. Looks awesome.
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Thanks dude. Yeah the AG works ok... Theres quite a few decent AG grows here on RIU. Several people that post on this thread have links to their own AG grows in their signatures, so check 'em out!

FoxCompany426 said:
Lookin good bro. Sorry to hear about the other, man.... a moment of silence......
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Appreciate it man. I suppose I should say a few words... ahem... :cry: ... oh shit, I just can't do this...:cry::cry: lol

Shackleford.R said:
sorry about the plant!! the survivor looks damn fine!! by the way, arent those "lowryder" look pretty tall. what are you using for your cabinet, looks cool.
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Thanks man. I guess the LR2s get 17-19in tall, mines about 14in right now (1/2 way through her life), so shes still got some more vertical growth in her. I swear she does seem big though compared to most other lowryder pics I have seen. She would probably be shorter and more compact if the AG hood could raise in smaller incraments. Every time I had to raise it she stretched a lot. If you look at some of the earlier pics when the hood was at the lowest setting you can see how compact they were. I'm looking forward to using some lighting that I can raise as little or as much as I want for my next grow so that the plants never have to stretch too much.
 
krakennkenji

krakennkenji

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Shackleford.R said:
sorry about the plant!! the survivor looks damn fine!! by the way, arent those "lowryder" look pretty tall. what are you using for your cabinet, looks cool.
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Forgot to answer your question about the cabinet....

Its just an old steel storage locker, like something you'd find in a mechanics shop or garage or something. Its very solid and has conveniently placed holes for wires and even has vents at the top. I found it on craigslist for $25, lined the interior with mylar I got at my hydro shop and then put everything else inside. Its basically the perfect size for the footprint of the AG, though it does not provide for much horizontal/bushy growth. You can kinda see what it looks like in the pics on the very first page of this journal. The people who sold it to me where some serious rednecks, several miles outside the city. Thought they might go Deliverance :hump: on my ass :shock: lol. Got outa' there quick-style haha
 
court420

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krakennkenji said:
Whats up man, thanks for subscribing. Yeah, if you've got 8 CFLs rated at, say, 1600 lumens each, then you've only actually got 1600 lumens TOTAL! When that guy posted on my thread about it I googled it and found this on another marijuana growing forum (not RIU). I'm quoting the guy who wrote this exactly:

Sorry to burst everyone bubble, but lumens DO NOT add together, at least not in the sense that 2 cfl's that output 2000 lumens will be as bright as a 4000 lumen cfl's. Contrary to popular belief, it's just not the way it works, you can have 50 2000 lumens cfls side by side and if you use a luxometer to measure the light output it will only measure 2000 lumens. I've actually witnessed a demonstration of this. On the other had you still will double the amount of photons and usable light the plant recieves, so all is no lost, i suggest going with the highest wattage bulbs you can afford and as many as you can afford within reason.

On a side note, he goes on and provides this link to what he thinks are the best flouro's available for growing, and I must admit that they're the best I've seen. Two 55W T5's providing 5,000 lumens each? And only a 2ft long fixture? Thats pretty dank :)
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Dude I know I'm late to the party and am still reading through but I just gotta say your FUCKING AWSOME for posting that link to that 10,000 lumen light fixture that shits cheap and affordable yet I can see it being very effective.......I'll be ordering the blooming bulbs aswell Thanks Man!!!!!!
 
lurkmaster

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krakennkenji said:
Whats up man, thanks for subscribing. Yeah, if you've got 8 CFLs rated at, say, 1600 lumens each, then you've only actually got 1600 lumens TOTAL! When that guy posted on my thread about it I googled it and found this on another marijuana growing forum (not RIU). I'm quoting the guy who wrote this exactly:

Sorry to burst everyone bubble, but lumens DO NOT add together, at least not in the sense that 2 cfl's that output 2000 lumens will be as bright as a 4000 lumen cfl's. Contrary to popular belief, it's just not the way it works, you can have 50 2000 lumens cfls side by side and if you use a luxometer to measure the light output it will only measure 2000 lumens. I've actually witnessed a demonstration of this. On the other had you still will double the amount of photons and usable light the plant recieves, so all is no lost, i suggest going with the highest wattage bulbs you can afford and as many as you can afford within reason.

On a side note, he goes on and provides this link to what he thinks are the best flouro's available for growing, and I must admit that they're the best I've seen. Two 55W T5's providing 5,000 lumens each? And only a 2ft long fixture? Thats pretty dank :)
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Wow, how could I let this post go un-noticed... thanks to whoever bumped it..

Product Details:
Nominal Length = 20.7"
5,000 lumen output per bulb
2G11 four pin base
20,000 hour life expectancy
For use with all PLL 55 watt Compact T5 BIAX Fixtures
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Yea, its a T5 Bulb by "standards", but its not a regular tube, its a U-shaped one with a plug on one end.




It is correct that lumens do not directly add up into one light source.

There is no way to increase the true intensity of a single light by adding more of them.

1600 lumen bulb will always put out 1600 lumen, but if you have 2 of them right next to eachother you nearly double the area that those 1600 lumen cover, not to mention eliminate the fade-off at the edge of the light its emitting where it is adjacent to the other light.

CFLs work awesome for a few reasons, the simple ones like, cost, availability, heat, but also stuff nobody really thought about that ended up helping.

CFLs work the best when you spread out a bunch of them, well when people buy cfls they usually just get a bunch of them and since you cant stack them on top of each other you are forced to spread them out, giving more area for the plant to spread out to and try to get light energy.

Since the light that CFLs put out is not as intense as HIDs it doesn't penetrate as well, but you can spread them out so its not as big of a deal.

The best cfl setup is one with lights all around the plants, not just above them.


P.S. Lowes and Home Depot sell 4200/4000 lumen bulbs for 15/16 a pop. no need for a special ballast.



Sucks stem rot killed that other plant.. :/ happened to me before too, then my remaining plant was a male.
 
krakennkenji

krakennkenji

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court420 said:
Dude I know I'm late to the party and am still reading through but I just gotta say your FUCKING AWSOME for posting that link to that 10,000 lumen light fixture that shits cheap and affordable yet I can see it being very effective.......I'll be ordering the blooming bulbs aswell Thanks Man!!!!!!
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Yeah dude no problem, thanks for stopping by. I was pretty impressed with that light as well, and I'm still debating whether I'm gonna try it or go HPS for the next setup. Let us know how it works out for you man!

And I don't know if you're interested in LED lighting at all, but HTG has the brand new generation of UFO LED 90W fixtures on sale right now for like $180 or so. They're normally like $400, so its a pretty big price cut... cheapest I've seen them anywhere, at least. HTG is great, lots of good shit and really low prices. They do ebay auctions too, so you might even be able to get what you're looking for even cheaper than off their website.

lurkmaster said:
Wow, how could I let this post go un-noticed... thanks to whoever bumped it..

Yea, its a T5 Bulb by "standards", but its not a regular tube, its a U-shaped one with a plug on one end.

CFLs work awesome for a few reasons, the simple ones like, cost, availability, heat, but also stuff nobody really thought about that ended up helping.

CFLs work the best when you spread out a bunch of them, well when people buy cfls they usually just get a bunch of them and since you cant stack them on top of each other you are forced to spread them out, giving more area for the plant to spread out to and try to get light energy.

Since the light that CFLs put out is not as intense as HIDs it doesn't penetrate as well, but you can spread them out so its not as big of a deal.

The best cfl setup is one with lights all around the plants, not just above them.

P.S. Lowes and Home Depot sell 4200/4000 lumen bulbs for 15/16 a pop. no need for a special ballast.

Sucks stem rot killed that other plant.. :/ happened to me before too, then my remaining plant was a male.
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Yeah the bulb on that HTG fixture is pretty unique. Allowed them to pack 5k lumens per bulb into a 2ft ballast. They've got another one thats like $20 cheaper that has identical specs only its 4ft long.

So I've been trying to decide what kind of lighting to go with for my next setup... and I think you might be the man to answer my questions. I'll be able to afford a 400w digital HID setup w/ inline cooling and the works, but I am wondering about the benifits of being able to place fluoros closer to the plant and decrease stretching. I want to grow really compact, bushy plants, and I guess I'm wondering if an HID placed high overhead is going to make that more difficult than using something like the T5 mentioned above that I can constantly keep just a couple inches above the plants (in addition to supplemental side lighting).

And I cut down your quote a little just to save room, btw. My quest to find out how lumens add ultimately ended with this post, which you've probably already seen.

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide lurk. :peace:
 
lurkmaster

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krakennkenji said:
Yeah dude no problem, thanks for stopping by. I was pretty impressed with that light as well, and I'm still debating whether I'm gonna try it or go HPS for the next setup. Let us know how it works out for you man!

And I don't know if you're interested in LED lighting at all, but HTG has the brand new generation of UFO LED 90W fixtures on sale right now for like $180 or so. They're normally like $400, so its a pretty big price cut... cheapest I've seen them anywhere, at least. HTG is great, lots of good shit and really low prices. They do ebay auctions too, so you might even be able to get what you're looking for even cheaper than off their website.



Yeah the bulb on that HTG fixture is pretty unique. Allowed them to pack 5k lumens per bulb into a 2ft ballast. They've got another one thats like $20 cheaper that has identical specs only its 4ft long.

So I've been trying to decide what kind of lighting to go with for my next setup... and I think you might be the man to answer my questions. I'll be able to afford a 400w digital HID setup w/ inline cooling and the works, but I am wondering about the benifits of being able to place fluoros closer to the plant and decrease stretching. I want to grow really compact, bushy plants, and I guess I'm wondering if an HID placed high overhead is going to make that more difficult than using something like the T5 mentioned above that I can constantly keep just a couple inches above the plants (in addition to supplemental side lighting).

And I cut down your quote a little just to save room, btw. My quest to find out how lumens add ultimately ended with this post, which you've probably already seen.

Thanks in advance for any help you can provide lurk. :peace:
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If you can afford inline cooling for HID that will probably give you the most bud, but I don't think its the best solution.

Check out this CFL grow...



https://www.rollitup.org/2538159-post258.html

You could space out a bunch of those 300W equivs (maybe like 6) that are 4200 a pop all around the plants at various heights, wouldn't be as expensive or sketchy as an inline-cooled HID and you would have comparable results.
 
lurkmaster

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[QUOTE="SICC";2652560]I needa cop some of those bad boys 8)[/QUOTE]

Funny that you would say that.

Someone actually stole his plants from his apartment a week ago or so!!!!!

but he lives in cali so he just filed a police report for stolen mj :confused:
 
krakennkenji

krakennkenji

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lurkmaster said:
Funny that you would say that.

Someone actually stole his plants from his apartment a week ago or so!!!!!

but he lives in cali so he just filed a police report for stolen mj :confused:
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lol damn, I need to get down to Cali.

So how many watts do those 300W equivalent bulbs actually run? And they fit into regular light sockets? When I was originally setting this grow up I thought I had looked at Home Depot/Lowes for bulbs and dont remember seeing any big-ass CFLs like that. Thats a cool setup though. Plants look beautiful.

So an a different topic, should I have been pruning my plant in order to allow more light to the fan leaves and most promising looking budsites? And if so is it too late to get started on that? Should I just leave her be? Hmmm...
 
lurkmaster

lurkmaster

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krakennkenji said:
lol damn, I need to get down to Cali.

So how many watts do those 300W equivalent bulbs actually run? And they fit into regular light sockets? When I was originally setting this grow up I thought I had looked at Home Depot/Lowes for bulbs and dont remember seeing any big-ass CFLs like that. Thats a cool setup though. Plants look beautiful.

So an a different topic, should I have been pruning my plant in order to allow more light to the fan leaves and most promising looking budsites? And if so is it too late to get started on that? Should I just leave her be? Hmmm...
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Lowes has 60w that do 4000 lumen and Home depot has 68w that do 4200 lumen.

They have just recently started stocking them (past few months or so)

And yes, regular sockets.



and I will redirect you to this post in response to your second question.

https://www.rollitup.org/2654534-post152.html
 
lurkmaster

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Probably breaking some kind of rule that had a zero tolerance policy idk you can probably ask him on that other forum he posted a link to in his thread.
 
howak47

howak47

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just read your thread lookin damn good keep it up!!!!!:) stop by my grow and tell me what u thin when u get a chance!!!!
 
krakennkenji

krakennkenji

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howak47 said:
just read your thread lookin damn good keep it up!!!!!:) stop by my grow and tell me what u thin when u get a chance!!!!
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Thanks man. I've been meaning to read through yours for a while actually, just hasn't happened yet. I'll check it out later tonight.
 
krakennkenji

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Well she'll be 6 weeks old tomorrow, and still no buds starting. Just vegging out, about 17in tall now. Check her out...




 
lurkmaster

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Damn, so.. they have 3 weeks to start and finish making buds.. lol this should be interesting to see. She is a beast for a rudy cross.
 
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