My latest Vert garden

Hookah79 · Jun 17, 2018

I am actually thinking about giving this mix a shot.But looking at their recommended formula they want you to actually boost up your cal-nit starting week 3 in bloom and run it all the way to flush.I am currently using jack’s and i taper off calnit during flower.I am not sure if it’s a good idea but maybe Tty or someone familiar could chime in.

The formula also tops off at 1800 ppm in late bloom,i dont know iam thinking go half of that dosage daily if you’re running a drip system( sorry PKH i know you’re running a different system) i can’t fathom running that high of ppm’s in a single drip feed.

BTW this is a link to their formula
https://hydro-gardens.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Burchetts-recipe-2017.pdf

OneHitDone · Jun 18, 2018

Hookah79 said:
I am actually thinking about giving this mix a shot.But looking at their recommended formula they want you to actually boost up your cal-nit starting week 3 in bloom and run it all the way to flush.I am currently using jack’s and i taper off calnit during flower.I am not sure if it’s a good idea but maybe Tty or someone familiar could chime in.

The formula also tops off at 1800 ppm in late bloom,i dont know iam thinking go half of that dosage daily if you’re running a drip system( sorry PKH i know you’re running a different system) i can’t fathom running that high of ppm’s in a single drip feed.

BTW this is a link to their formula
https://hydro-gardens.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/Burchetts-recipe-2017.pdf

Run it just like your Jacks, just gotta adjust the g/gal accordingly for the differing npk

Hookah79 · Jun 20, 2018

I make stock solution for jacks and calnit,but i use my meter when adding them.150 ppm tap water adding 400 ppm of jacks then 300 ppm calnit ,850 ppm total.I’ve just upped the calnit to 350 in my platinum cookie room,cause iam seeing deficiencies .Thus why i am inclined to switch.

OneHitDone · Jun 20, 2018

Hookah79 said:
I make stock solution for jacks and calnit,but i use my meter when adding them.150 ppm tap water adding 400 ppm of jacks then 300 ppm calnit ,850 ppm total.I’ve just upped the calnit to 350 in my platinum cookie room,cause iam seeing deficiencies .Thus why i am inclined to switch.

How many Grams per Gallon is that ppm equalling out to for each component?
You are using Epsom Salt as well?

Hookah79 · Jun 20, 2018

OneHitDone said:
How many Grams per Gallon is that ppm equalling out to for each component?
You are using Epsom Salt as well?

880 grams for jacks and 580 for calnit in RO water.But sometimes when i run out i just make quick stock mixture of each using hot tap water without weight them just putting a cup or so of each.That usually last 4-5 days.

I dont use any epsom salts,my tap has some calmag.I just use jacks and calnit.

OneHitDone · Jun 20, 2018

Hookah79 said:
880 grams for jacks and 580 for calnit in RO water.But sometimes when i run out i just make quick stock mixture of each using hot tap water without weight them just putting a cup or so of each.That usually last 4-5 days.

I dont use any epsom salts,my tap has some calmag.I just use jacks and calnit.

Jacks is short on mag without epsom.
You don't have any idea how many grams of each are going into a gallon of working strength nutrient solution?

ttystikk · Jun 20, 2018

Hookah79 said:
880 grams for jacks and 580 for calnit in RO water.But sometimes when i run out i just make quick stock mixture of each using hot tap water without weight them just putting a cup or so of each.That usually last 4-5 days.

I dont use any epsom salts,my tap has some calmag.I just use jacks and calnit.

There's so much wrong with this I don't know where to start.

First, if it's RO, it's not tap water!

Second, water hardness is (usually) calcium carbonate and maybe iron, NOT calmag! Why not?

Because, third, 'calmag' is calcium nitrate and magnesium nitrate, in other words, mostly nitrogen! And you wonder why it greens things up?!

Fourth, increasing calcium nitrate often leads to deficiencies because excess calcium locks other nutrients out.

Fifth, epsom salt, aka magnesium sulfate, is an essential part of the mix because fast growing plants like tomatoes and cannabis need magnesium. Cannabis benefits from the sulphur too.

Sixth, DO NOT mix dry nutrient salts by volume! Mix by weight ONLY.

Either follow directions or learn some chemistry. No fucking wonder you're having problems.

ttystikk · Jun 20, 2018

OneHitDone said:
Jacks is short on mag without epsom.
You don't have any idea how many grams of each are going into a gallon of working strength nutrient solution?

Kids today; you can't teach them anything unless it's a video game and you can't shoot them. Lol

Hookah79 · Jun 21, 2018

ttystikk said:
There's so much wrong with this I don't know where to start.

First, if it's RO, it's not tap water!

Second, water hardness is (usually) calcium carbonate and maybe iron, NOT calmag! Why not?

Because, third, 'calmag' is calcium nitrate and magnesium nitrate, in other words, mostly nitrogen! And you wonder why it greens things up?!

Fourth, increasing calcium nitrate often leads to deficiencies because excess calcium locks other nutrients out.

Fifth, epsom salt, aka magnesium sulfate, is an essential part of the mix because fast growing plants like tomatoes and cannabis need magnesium. Cannabis benefits from the sulphur too.

Sixth, DO NOT mix dry nutrient salts by volume! Mix by weight ONLY.

Either follow directions or learn some chemistry. No fucking wonder you're having problems.

How about you learn how to read proper kido?
I merely wanted to try this different mix because I didn’t want to add micros or mpk to my regimen,since it’s all there...

Second,show me where i called tap water RO??? I stated that i make stock formulas using RO water ,but at times when that’s not avail i use hot tap water to mix both stocks seperate without measuring,then i hit jacks in my rez til i hit 550 ppm and add calnit til i hit 850 ppm.You do know that you can add nutes by targeting a certain ec/ppm right???.

There are also people using 10 ml of each RO mixed stock solution per gallon.More than one way to skin a cat.

And my water does have calcium and magnesium,and again you can use jack’s without magnesium sulfate if you have enough magnesium in your water.

Hilarious were’nt you the one that talked about flushing before chop using epsom and sugar then denied it later??

Funny thing is you recommend me to use chem grows nutes because it’s the “complete formula” that saves me money.

MyFloridaGreen360 · Dec 13, 2018

i like gardens and your garden is awesome.

Old Thcool · Jan 21, 2019

OneHitDone said:
NFT is very common in greenhouse lettuce / herb production. Usually it is channels that are angled down hill (like the system on the wall in the pic below). Nutrient is pumped up to the high end and just runs down hill.
A General Hydroponics AeroFlo is basically a level high flow NFT. That is the principle that my new system works on and how yours is basically acting.
I have a steady stream of nutrient squirting in directly at the root mass rather than dripping down through rocks but it is pretty much the same.
I will try to get some pics of what I put together in the next couple days. Mine are built on smaller 2 gal buckets that I modify and use a 5" netpot in the lid of the upper bucket
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I was contemplating a system like this, but because we live so far out in the sticks, power outages happen 4-5 times a year. Plants can live without light but not without liquid! I don’t have a gem set plumbed into my power box so I’d need to be home quickly. I love your grows but I think I’d need to be in a soil / soilless medium to be safe?

Old Thcool · Jan 21, 2019

ttystikk said:
There's so much wrong with this I don't know where to start.

First, if it's RO, it's not tap water!

Second, water hardness is (usually) calcium carbonate and maybe iron, NOT calmag! Why not?

Because, third, 'calmag' is calcium nitrate and magnesium nitrate, in other words, mostly nitrogen! And you wonder why it greens things up?!

Fourth, increasing calcium nitrate often leads to deficiencies because excess calcium locks other nutrients out.

Fifth, epsom salt, aka magnesium sulfate, is an essential part of the mix because fast growing plants like tomatoes and cannabis need magnesium. Cannabis benefits from the sulphur too.

Sixth, DO NOT mix dry nutrient salts by volume! Mix by weight ONLY.

Either follow directions or learn some chemistry. No fucking wonder you're having problems.

I’m growing tomatoes using GH trio in 5 gal buckets Kratky bubbler, how much epsom salt would you recommend and how often? Sorry for jacking the thread.

Old Thcool · Jan 21, 2019

Just like to add, we used to get our water from a creek and now we pull from a huge lake. So our tap water surprisingly is only 0.1 EC and the breakdown looks like the periodic table of elements. So I still use cal mag because Calcium and Mag are there but only make up maybe 5 percent of the elements in solution.

OneHitDone · Jan 21, 2019

Old Thcool said:
I’m growing tomatoes using GH trio in 5 gal buckets Kratky bubbler, how much epsom salt would you recommend and how often? Sorry for jacking the thread.

You shouldn't need epsom with GH Trio on Tomatoes

ttystikk · Jan 21, 2019

Old Thcool said:
I’m growing tomatoes using GH trio in 5 gal buckets Kratky bubbler, how much epsom salt would you recommend and how often? Sorry for jacking the thread.

Start with a gram per gallon. In spite of how it looks, epsom salt is mostly water.

OneHitDone · Jan 22, 2019

ttystikk said:
epsom salt is mostly water.

You bump your head bro? :lol:

I know you've been away from growing for a bit but damn....

pinner420 · Jan 22, 2019

You could also make a mag amp stock solution.

6.5 tbsp Epsom.
Dump into 1 gallon ro water.
Amend at 5mls mag amp to the gallon.

If using as foliar use at a rate of 2.5 m/g

ttystikk · Jan 22, 2019

OneHitDone said:
You bump your head bro?
I know you've been away from growing for a bit but damn....

Look at the label, smart guy;

'magnesium sulfate heptahydrate'

Hepta = 7
Hydrate = water

In every molecule of epsom salt there are 7 molecules of water for each one of magnesium and sulfur.

A little education goes a long way.

ttystikk · Jan 22, 2019

pinner420 said:
You could also make a mag amp stock solution.

6.5 tbsp Epsom.
Dump into 1 gallon ro water.
Amend at 5mls mag amp to the gallon.

If using as foliar use at a rate of 2.5 m/g

This is excellent advice because epsom salt takes awhile to dissolve and you NEVER want to add epsom salt crystals to your nutrient solution; it will cause a reaction that draws the calcium right out of the nutrient mix.

led1k · Jan 23, 2019

ttystikk said:
DO NOT mix dry nutrient salts by volume! Mix by weight ONLY

pinner420 said:
You could also make a mag amp stock solution.

6.5 tbsp Epsom.
Dump into 1 gallon ro water.
Amend at 5mls mag amp to the gallon.

If using as foliar use at a rate of 2.5 m/g

I like the idea of mixing a concentrate but if I should measure by weight how many grams go into a gallon of RO?

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