my defoliated vs non defoliated... pictures inside.

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elkukupanda

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stems are also a vital part of the plant, but some brave soul cut the top leaves/stem off in the name of science to bring us what we know as topping today....
Man, i'm not going to pretend something i'm not... I'm not a gardener.. I'm not a botanist... i'm just a can grower... That's right.. who doesn't love heroes... brave souls.. i do.. they do all the job and people who observe get the rewards.. i don't see any gardener or well seasoned farmer defoliating plants to increase yield... You know who i see? noobs... only noobs do defoliation... Has it been done already by a farmer? I'm sure it was.. I guess that's why is not a common practice with other plants... Yes, you are right.. science can be proven wrong.. Hell, if Darwin, Einstein and Tesla were proved wrong in certain details i'm not sure who else can't be... yah.. nobody is perfect.. but common... be fair... You know how easy is to remove a leaf? nobody growing before had the idea of giving a bald look to the plant? It's just sad to see new people growing with CFL failing in their first grow and giving up... Therefore i stand by the motto "KEEP THE LEAVES ON"
 

Fruitbat

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I actually work on cars so i get your analogy lol... works pretty well....
I spent many years wrenching old Alfa Romeos.

I already used the solar panel analogy so I was trying to think of something else. It works for the most part.
 

Apomixis

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defoliation in weed growing terms does not mean "removing all the fan leaves because food is in the roots". Madness. defoliation is built up gradually with the aim of letting light through to the buds, all other leaves are left as they are because it is the leaves than contain the 'food'. asking us not to argue after stating something so ridiculous and controversial is just stupid.
Once again, WHY DO BUDS NEED LIGHT TO DEVELOP PROPERLY?
Answer: THEY FUCKING DONT.
What you mean is to expose axillary bud sites to light. "Bud site" in no way infers anything to do with flowers.
Its a unique aspect of the MJ culture that we have co-opted the term "bud" from its true, morphological definition to that which refers to a mature MJ flower. All flowers come from buds, but not all buds become flowers.
I've heard other people say that buds -flowers- have little leaves that photosynthesize just fine. Reminds me of Greg Berhends joke about fun size candy bars... How about we fun size your paycheck? Yeah, look, it's a third of what you normally make! Isn't it fun? Same goes for your leaves, "bud".

Say what you mean, be precise, communicate accurately.
 

ricky6991

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SOk, THIS IS EXACTLY THE THREAD I TALKED ABOUT ABOVE. EVERYONE USES THIS ONE THREAD TO EXPLAIN WHY IT SHOULD BE DONE. As you can see it says clear as day REMOVE ALL FAN LEAFS. Not some. Therefore, defoliating means to remove all fan leafs. If you dont agree defoliating means that then DO NOT copy an paste this post to prove your point. As everyone does cause THIS IS ONLY post EVERYONE uses.


1.) Which Fan Leaves Can Be Plucked?
All of them.
That was the short answer.
I remove everything that is easily pinched off with the thumbnail and forefinger......

Go into other posts where the original poster replys to comments, his LONG ANSWER to why all leafs get plucked is because they grew the roots already and roots will feed buds directly.

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Leaf removal stimulates lower and mid bud growth by exposing those normally shaded out areas to premium light.....

seriously? First hand experience for me showed this to be 100% wrong. The bud with the leafs grew fatter. Buds without leafs that had more light did not. They just matured and hairs turned red.

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Again, where it states -

Start with removing the fans from all the branches and watch the results....

I watched results and it stunted growth for 9 days then i watched buds with leafs grow tons of fresh calyxes and watched buds without leafs turn red
 

ricky6991

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That post is the reason why my 2 plants got defoliated... that last picture of the bud sitting on scrog screen had my friend excited...

Also let me add one more thing... it says to defoliate and watch new growth... i will take picture today to show you my new fan leaf growth 2-3weeks later... oh wait, there is NONE. Still just sugar leafs and couple sugar leafs that grew alittle bigger.
 

blacksun

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Anyone who has tried defoliation for themselves knows that the pictures in that article that say "4 days later" where the plant goes from no bud to full of bud are clearly falsified.

In veg, chopping off all fan leaves makes a plant take twice as long to get to the same size as leaving all the fan leaves intact.

In flower, chopping off all fan leaves greatly reduces yields.

This happens because of both the stress of hacking at the plant and the plant losing it's "solar panels".



The more posts I read from the guys who support it, the more "defoliation" definitely seems like a troll tactic, getting dummies to chop off all their fan leaves, ruining their plant(s).

And the guys who are against defoliation all seem to have tried it for themselves and come to the same realization.



Also, after skimming parts of that article and very easily spotting blatant spelling mistakes, arguments that consist of quotes from fictitious growers the writer "has spoken to", and then reading the "about the author", it seems like that article was written by icmag's version of finshaggy.

That's not a good thing.
 

Username42

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never mind i see that the article has been posted many times before, and this thread was all a set up by little kids wanting to look all special. y'all sure look special now.
 

blacksun

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never mind i see that the article has been posted many times before, and this thread was all a set up by little kids wanting to look all special. y'all sure look special now.


The people who took you slightly seriously definitely look special. I agree.
 

ricky6991

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Ok pic with a light turned on. Helps show better... top is from bud with fan leafs. Shows all new calyxes an clear asr day thickness... other picture is of defoliated plant which still do not have fan leaves like supposed to according to that post.

Again my defoliated plant looks like big buds cause they are good size but not as thick as other plant.
 

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Username42

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lets see the whole plant that was left with leaves on. The idea of removing leaves is supposed to help lower buds, not the top bud, without seeing the whole plant we can't see total yield
 

ricky6991

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Id rather have all my top buds grow and gain extra oz or 2 in wieght then have an extra half oz from popcorn nugs being denser.

Denser top nugs > denser popcorn nugs
 

Apomixis

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all bud sites that get light become flowers
Now you're talking some sense! I know you typed that in rebuttal, like what I said was redundant, but it makes the difference between people plucking leaves off during veg or flower. Big difference, no?
 

Username42

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Now you're talking some sense! I know you typed that in rebuttal, like what I said was redundant, but it makes the difference between people plucking leaves off during veg or flower. Big difference, no?
bud sites can be exposed to light at any time the grower chooses
 
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