I don't think all GMO's are safe, but all the commercially available ones are tested rigorously for safety by the scientific community.frank in all seriousness your own common sense should give you ample caution in that respect...and part of that common sense thinking process should necessarily include the track record of industry in general from pharmaceuticals to fertilizers and so on the profits have always outweighed the risks of injury to others according to the bean counters...but with genetic engineering the risks are far greater to the general population than in your average business ventures...much more to be said though (and it already has been many times over the course of this thread)...
but with cannabis the dangers are even more present in that imo naturally occurring seed stock will still be illegal when the smoke clears on the up and coming new fed laws because monsanto et al has a shot at finally achieving total control over a crop species with cannabis in that unlike corn the naturally occurring varieties are already illegal...
cannabis would be like hitting the mother load of gmo crop potential in terms of profit and control etc...
omg frank is this the beginnings of an actual discussion?I don't think all GMO's are safe, but all the commercially available ones are tested rigorously for safety by the scientific community.
Lots of independent studies were done for the purposes of trying to find problems, these experiments are rigorously controlled and repeatable (oh and are they repeated!) or else they're simply not published. This is the process of peer review and it is the cornerstone of human knowledge moving forward.omg frank is this the beginnings of an actual discussion?
ok im no trout but i'll bite
firstly, what makes you think some GMO's aren't safe?
secondly, if the corps 'bidding' for FDA approval is required to do their own testing which is then not double checked by FDA testing but just taken at face value, how is that really a standard you're comfortable with?
thirdly, can you really say with a strait ferret face (sorry i fell of the wagon there) that money doesn't call the shots at the end of the day when it comes to these Monsanto et al study results achieving exactly what they are suppose to?
finally something we agree on frankLots of independent studies were done for the purposes of trying to find problems, these experiments are rigorously controlled and repeatable (oh and are they repeated!) or else they're simply not published. This is the process of peer review and it is the cornerstone of human knowledge moving forward.
Not all GMO's are guaranteed safe, but with the minuscule changes being made and the process of review, the dangerous ones simply don't make it to market, the market would kill the product with capitalism.
Pro-GMO doesn't mean pro-Monsanto or pro-dangerous GMO.
The engineering/review process needs to be vigorously controlled by the lab, but the research needs to go on.
small minds discuss people
glad you were at least able to help clear that up for us deer Doer...kinda suspected as much...who is frank?
What howling mind cloud sees me as upset? Funny. I just wonder why it is so personal. And why you seem to think someone's real name is frank, frankly. And I am only asking about the idea not the event. I have no idea who is frank. So it can't bother me about "what goes on" can it? The idea of calling someone by a first name as if you know them.sheeesh Doer why so upset?
what goes on between me and frank shouldn't bother you...frank knows its a term of endearment and 'frankly' i have come to like frank despite of his tattle tale ways of your
i should also let you know that i'm turning over a new leaf thanks to a good human reminding me to be a better human...thanks GreenSummit
This a passive agressive technique. You are lying when you say you are sorry. I see it in my work. I stop the meeting. I might even stand up, slowly and carefully.again Doer i'm sorry you are so upset...
I don't know why you are calling someone by a made up first name. A Cultural thing?Doer even though your 'who's frank' question was entirely insincere and dishonest, i assure you my apologies for making you so upset are very sincere.
1 - Roundup ready means ready to spray with RoundUp.....correct. That is indeed the point.Yes you can, it's already been done last year buy a college in Texas if I'm correct on the location. If I remember correctly they patented an heirloom tomato variety. And secondly my point did not refer to that, it referred to the fact that they are going to pick all your favorite varieties of marijuana (which nobody owns) stick some new pesticide and herbicide resistant genes in them and re-sell them to you as better, and the sad fact is people will buy them so they can spray them to death with pesticide and guarantee a perfect crop each time. My reply to Dr. Kynes, dur!!! Of course there is no Monsanto gmo program, but if I am correct was the forum not originally a question of a "theoretical Monsanto dope program". I believe it was, but it seems like you skimmed past that part in an effort to sound smart replying to my posting, not even reading the original forum post. Thirdly you are horribly wrong, GMO "is" designed to be sprayed with more pesticides and herbicides, you are only thinking of the fact that they are designed to be more bug resistant.
To continue my point, you are talking about "seed breeders" as if Monsanto doesn't own 85% of all the seed companies on earth. Wake up buddy, they do. Over the last 10 years Monsanto has gone around the world buying up almost every seed company on earth, right now they own all the seeds in your garden, and most the crap you eat, even if they haven't yet genetically modified it. And finally where are these "studies" of GMO crops being good? I can tell you that Europe deems them as dangerous and a few countries have banned their use in the last couple years. Are you referring to the shitty studies by the FDA or by Monsanto about themselves? Continue to listen to them if you want, they're in cahoots. The government has gone out if its way the last 30 years to "convince you" that GMO's are okay, keep in mind that Americans are the fattest, unhealthiest people on earth, and we consume the most GMO's.
to what are you replying? there is a quote feature...Yes you can, it's already been done last year buy a college in Texas if I'm correct on the location. If I remember correctly they patented an heirloom tomato variety.
that makes no sense no matter how i read it.And secondly my point did not refer to that, it referred to the fact that they are going to pick all your favorite varieties of marijuana (which nobody owns) stick some new pesticide and herbicide resistant genes in them and re-sell them to you as better, and the sad fact is people will buy them so they can spray them to death with pesticide and guarantee a perfect crop each time.
the entire thread has consisted of repeated allegations of ACTUAL GMO dope programs despite not one shred of evidence that there is such a thing. the first post is still sitting there, and you can read it again. it makes no mention of "theoretical" GMO dope programs it deliberately implies that there is such a thing, an implication which was expressly stated by the Originating Poster numerous times which he has as yet failed to offer a shred of evidence for.My reply to Dr. Kynes, dur!!! Of course there is no Monsanto gmo program, but if I am correct was the forum not originally a question of a "theoretical Monsanto dope program". I believe it was, but it seems like you skimmed past that part in an effort to sound smart replying to my posting, not even reading the original forum post.
no, YOU are wrong. "pesticides" are chemicals designed to kill PESTS such as insects, insect larvae, rodents, vermiforms, and whatnot.Thirdly you are horribly wrong, GMO "is" designed to be sprayed with more pesticides and herbicides, you are only thinking of the fact that they are designed to be more bug resistant.
no, they dont.To continue my point, you are talking about "seed breeders" as if Monsanto doesn't own 85% of all the seed companies on earth. Wake up buddy, they do.
Place evidence supporting this claim here _________________________________________________________________________________________________Over the last 10 years Monsanto has gone around the world buying up almost every seed company on earth, right now they own all the seeds in your garden, and most the crap you eat, even if they haven't yet genetically modified it.
just off the top of my head... 30 seconds on google got this easy to read report detailing the great success of india's experience with BT cotton, despite monsanto's displeasure.And finally where are these "studies" of GMO crops being good?
europe can say whatever they like.I can tell you that Europe deems them as dangerous and a few countries have banned their use in the last couple years. Are you referring to the shitty studies by the FDA or by Monsanto about themselves? Continue to listen to them if you want, they're in cahoots. The government has gone out if its way the last 30 years to "convince you" that GMO's are okay, keep in mind that Americans are the fattest, unhealthiest people on earth, and we consume the most GMO's.