Monsanto cannabis yes or no? The DNA Protection Act of 2013

DNAprotection said:

hold on a sec doc, i dont think anyone has stated definitively that Monsanto has a gmo cannabis program (at least i dont remember such)...and as far as my opinion goes its all a matter of going where the money is and if cannabis is where the money is then why on earth would they not pursue it?

ok i just went back to this that was the closest thing i can think of that resembles your claim doc...

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  Originally Posted by buckaroo bonzai
  I can tell you absolutely that this conspiracy conjecture IS true--
  
  after having lived deep within the cannabis culture in Mendocino for years....Monsanto has ALL the patents and turpenes patented within cannabis--
  
  they have a 'kill' gene cannabis plant that will effectively wipe out any outdoor cannabis growing and cross pollinate with their genetically modified version--thus giving them ownership rights like they pulled on Percy schmeiser in Canada
  they are going to follow the path they took with corn--
  it is common knowledge in and around mendo and some of these UC folks used to come around talking about it --a lot of them enjoy erb too
  
  i also have a very close friend who's brother is a very high profile and at the top of his field Dr. that told us about the meetings he was privileged to in Colorado where the tax and regulate folks were networking on strategies and Monsanto was bringing the donuts to the meetings---he thought it was funny when he told us and he is a closet 'head'
  
  monsanto is definately at the top of the nefarious corporations list and an extreme threat to humanity and our existence with their control of our food and food supplies---
  
  if you think GMO is good look at how Russia 'banned' it and Europe now made it mandatory to label it and India is now in a huge battle over gmo food as most of the country is vegetarian
  
  GMO food has excito toxins and neuro toxins in it and is the reason the average IQ has went from 120 in the 70s to below 100 now
  the dumbing down of the population
  
  i mean would you spray round up on your salad and then eat it? or on your cannabis and then smoke it?
  
  keep drinking soda with GMO corn syrup or your fast foods that areuthanasia for the masses--
  most of the sugar beets that we use to extract sugar for most of the food we it is GMO--
  
  what floors me is all the people that still believe this is benign and harmless and actually a good thing--
  
  its NWO stuff and with all the facts it ain't no conspiracy--
  
  beware Monsanto !
  
  
  
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meh, i could be wrong, but with all the post deleting lately, who can be sure.

i recall asking you to provide evidence for any such porogram on more than one occaision, but the allegation may have been in one of your Natural News posts, and thus not ACTUALLY you, but just you repeating something some other dingus said.

either way, i aint even mad.

Dr Kynes said:

meh, i could be wrong, but with all the post deleting lately, who can be sure.

i recall asking you to provide evidence for any such porogram on more than one occaision, but the allegation may have been in one of your Natural News posts, and thus not ACTUALLY you, but just you repeating something some other dingus said.

either way, i aint even mad.

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me either bro<3
i'm wrong more than my share doc lol and the deletions are troublesome and troubling for sure, but i'm tired of becoming on here what i am not outside of here...in other words i'm done tossing insults etc in response to such...you and frank seem to be tired of it as well...either way from here on out i'm doin my best to try and just discuss things that need discussion and i hope we can agree that especially now and moving forward this topic should be on our radar in a very serious way.

DNAprotection said:

me either bro<3
i'm wrong more than my share doc lol and the deletions are troublesome and troubling for sure, but i'm tired of becoming on here what i am not outside of here...in other words i'm done tossing insults etc in response to such...you and frank seem to be tired of it as well...either way from here on out i'm doin my best to try and just discuss things that need discussion and i hope we can agree that especially now and moving forward this topic should be on our radar in a very serious way.

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imma say again what i said before, but it prolly got lost in the shuffle:

Some GMO's like BT food crops give me concerns, because i KNOW BT, i have USED BT, and it aint no health potion.

BT has a very high dosage for acute toxicity due to direct exposure, and it vanishes quickly in the environment, so it's one of the safer sprays, but i wouldnt take sip of it every day and expect to see no ill effects.

long term low level ingestion from crops that make their own BT makes me worry, but for non-food crops, BT is a real winner.

Roundup resistance doesnt worry me a bit since roundup requires VERY high dosages for acute toxicity, it too dissipates quickly, and is NOT used anywhere near harvest by even the most careless coporate farm, that would be risking their mature crops right before harvest, and thats $$ BIG MONEY $$ on the line.

Roundup resistance doesnt make a plant immune to roundup, it just reduces the damage to the plant instead of the crop getting killed outright.

only a fool would herbicide their crops close to harvest.

further, roundup resistance doesnt make roundup NECESSARY, it just makes it an option.

i tell you this though, you can hate monsanto for their litigious nature, their general disregard for thorough testing, and the fact that they really are DICKS, but Glyphosate is a huge benefit to everyone especially in the west, where Spurge kills pets and livestock on the hoof, and even has killed children.

if i see Spurge in my yard, i reach for Glyphosate every time.

nothing else works, and Spurge is deadly serious business.

Dr Kynes said:

imma say again what i said before, but it prolly got lost in the shuffle:

Some GMO's like BT food crops give me concerns, because i KNOW BT, i have USED BT, and it aint no health potion.

BT has a very high dosage for acute toxicity due to direct exposure, and it vanishes quickly in the environment, so it's one of the safer sprays, but i wouldnt take sip of it every day and expect to see no ill effects.

long term low level ingestion from crops that make their own BT makes me worry, but for non-food crops, BT is a real winner.

Roundup resistance doesnt worry me a bit since roundup requires VERY high dosages for acute toxicity, it too dissipates quickly, and is NOT used anywhere near harvest by even the most careless coporate farm, that would be risking their mature crops right before harvest, and thats $$ BIG MONEY $$ on the line.

Roundup resistance doesnt make a plant immune to roundup, it just reduces the damage to the plant instead of the crop getting killed outright.

only a fool would herbicide their crops close to harvest.

further, roundup resistance doesnt make roundup NECESSARY, it just makes it an option.

i tell you this though, you can hate monsanto for their litigious nature, their general disregard for thorough testing, and the fact that they really are DICKS, but Glyphosate is a huge benefit to everyone especially in the west, where Spurge kills pets and livestock on the hoof, and even has killed children.

if i see Spurge in my yard, i reach for Glyphosate every time.

nothing else works, and Spurge is deadly serious business.

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not that i agree with everything you've stated doc, but i feel that you are sincere and i like your style...
i worry a lot about the land itself though...what i know about it is minuscule compared to your knowledge in this area...all i know is that in my own garden my main goal is 'living soil' and it seems that the more my soil is 'alive' the better my yields and flavors etc are...
it just seems that there must be better ways to guard against Spurge etc...
its a hard thing to solve when people are not growing much food for themselves any more and so the dependency on industrial farming and mono cropping etc tends to result in a never ending arms race to kill this or that which becomes a threat...

Dr Kynes said:

either way, i aint even mad.

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The last refuge of the passive-aggressive when called out, is to deflect. And a typical, usual deflection, I see all the time at work, is to claim the victory that they have upset the other person.

But, of course, the Claim of Victory is the Freudian slip. It is so obvious that is what they are trying to do (the essence of p-agression) because they will claim it when it is completely false! Woops.....slip is showing.

Doer you clearly continue to be disturbed/upset over whatever you have convinced yourself is going on here and I can only continue to express my regret at such.
I am making an honest attempt to discuss important issues that we should all be aware of and concerned about imo and that is all...
I'm not your enemy bro so truly there's no need to feel that way...

ChroniComedian said:

Yes you can, it's already been done last year buy a college in Texas if I'm correct on the location. If I remember correctly they patented an heirloom tomato variety.

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I would like to read about that. Honeycrisp apples are losing their patent status, but they retain the trademarked name.

ChroniComedian said:

And secondly my point did not refer to that, it referred to the fact that they are going to pick all your favorite varieties of marijuana (which nobody owns) stick some new pesticide and herbicide resistant genes in them and re-sell them to you as better,

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You must have a crystal ball. What are your fears based on? It seems like marijuana laws are loosening, which would make your idea even less likely to happen.
Why would I buy seeds like that?

I have my own seeds and there have been seed banks operating for decades. Why would that stop?

ChroniComedian said:

and the sad fact is people will buy them so they can spray them to death with pesticide and guarantee a perfect crop each time.

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Who would do that? I won't spray my plants with anything.
You are making assumptions.

ChroniComedian said:

My reply to Dr. Kynes, dur!!! Of course there is no Monsanto gmo program, but if I am correct was the forum not originally a question of a "theoretical Monsanto dope program". I believe it was, but it seems like you skimmed past that part in an effort to sound smart replying to my posting, not even reading the original forum post.

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The conversation has "evolved."
We are now just laughing at the spam posted by DNA and the incredibly ironic/weird posts by someacdude.

ChroniComedian said:

Thirdly you are horribly wrong, GMO "is" designed to be sprayed with more pesticides

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That is not a fair generalization and it is not true. There are a lot of different GMO crops. They are definitely not designed to be sprayed with pesticides.

ChroniComedian said:

and herbicides, you are only thinking of the fact that they are designed to be more bug resistant.

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That is not the sole purpose of GMO crops.

ChroniComedian said:

To continue my point, you are talking about "seed breeders" as if Monsanto doesn't own 85% of all the seed companies on earth.

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I do not think that is accurate. Could you post a link?

ChroniComedian said:

Wake up buddy, they do.

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If you want to have a conversation, you should try to be civil or you wuill be lumped in with DNA and someacdude.

ChroniComedian said:

Over the last 10 years Monsanto has gone around the world buying up almost every seed company on earth, right now they own all the seeds in your garden, and most the crap you eat, even if they haven't yet genetically modified it.

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That is absolutely untrue. Can you back that up with anything?

ChroniComedian said:

And finally where are these "studies" of GMO crops being good?

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They have been posted in this thread 57 times. I will post them again for you, since you haven't read the thread.
http://www.biofortified.org/genera/studies-for-genera/

That is 600 peer reviewed studies going back to the early 1980s.
Could you post some studies that show that GMO crops are not safe?

ChroniComedian said:

I can tell you that Europe deems them as dangerous

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Based on what? Because they said so? (It was a knee jerk reaction to bad science and propaganda and you are falling for it too)
I trust the EU less than my government.

ChroniComedian said:

and a few countries have banned their use in the last couple years. Are you referring to the shitty studies by the FDA or by Monsanto about themselves?

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Go look at the studies.

ChroniComedian said:

Continue to listen to them if you want, they're in cahoots.

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Monsanto does not produce all the GMO crops in the world. You can continue to deny science in favor of rumors and propaganda if you want.

ChroniComedian said:

The government has gone out if its way the last 30 years to "convince you" that GMO's are okay,

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They have? Post a link.

ChroniComedian said:

keep in mind that Americans are the fattest, unhealthiest people on earth, and we consume the most GMO's.

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Are you implying that GMO crops and obesity are linked?
Is that another story you made up or do you have something to back it up?

All I have heard in this thread from anti-GMO people is the same stuff and it does not hold up to logic.

Doer said:

Oh I saw another, feckless claim about patenting natural genes in that post. False.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/06/13/18935727-supreme-court-says-genes-cant-be-patented-patient-advocates-and-researchers-cheer?lite

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Honeycrisp Apples are losing their patent status, but retain the trademark on the name "Honeycrisp."

honeycrisp apples are sofa king good.

DNAprotection said:

hold on a sec doc, i dont think anyone has stated definitively that Monsanto has a gmo cannabis program (at least i dont remember such)...and as far as my opinion goes its all a matter of going where the money is and if cannabis is where the money is then why on earth would they not pursue it?

ok i just went back to this that was the closest thing i can think of that resembles your claim doc...

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If Monsanto has a cannabis program, they would be in violation of federal law.
There is no record of it, so talking about it is pure specualtion and fantasy.

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  Originally Posted by buckaroo bonzai
  I can tell you absolutely that this conspiracy conjecture IS true--
  
  after having lived deep within the cannabis culture in Mendocino for years....Monsanto has ALL the patents and turpenes patented within cannabis--
  
  they have a 'kill' gene cannabis plant that will effectively wipe out any outdoor cannabis growing and cross pollinate with their genetically modified version--thus giving them ownership rights like they pulled on Percy schmeiser in Canada
  they are going to follow the path they took with corn--
  it is common knowledge in and around mendo and some of these UC folks used to come around talking about it --a lot of them enjoy erb too
  
  i also have a very close friend who's brother is a very high profile and at the top of his field Dr. that told us about the meetings he was privileged to in Colorado where the tax and regulate folks were networking on strategies and Monsanto was bringing the donuts to the meetings---he thought it was funny when he told us and he is a closet 'head'
  
  monsanto is definately at the top of the nefarious corporations list and an extreme threat to humanity and our existence with their control of our food and food supplies---
  
  if you think GMO is good look at how Russia 'banned' it and Europe now made it mandatory to label it and India is now in a huge battle over gmo food as most of the country is vegetarian
  
  GMO food has excito toxins and neuro toxins in it and is the reason the average IQ has went from 120 in the 70s to below 100 now
  the dumbing down of the population
  
  i mean would you spray round up on your salad and then eat it? or on your cannabis and then smoke it?
  
  keep drinking soda with GMO corn syrup or your fast foods that areuthanasia for the masses--
  most of the sugar beets that we use to extract sugar for most of the food we it is GMO--
  
  what floors me is all the people that still believe this is benign and harmless and actually a good thing--
  
  its NWO stuff and with all the facts it ain't no conspiracy--
  
  beware Monsanto
  ​
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after having lived deep within the cannabis culture in Mendocino for years....Monsanto has ALL the patents and turpenes patented within cannabis--

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While this source is better than the Natural News, it is still full of lies. If monsanto had patents, which they can not, they would be public record.

they have a 'kill' gene cannabis plant that will effectively wipe out any outdoor cannabis growing and cross pollinate with their genetically modified version--thus giving them ownership rights like they pulled on Percy schmeiser in Canada
they are going to follow the path they took with corn--
it is common knowledge in and around mendo and some of these UC folks used to come around talking about it --a lot of them enjoy erb too

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That is a bunch of lies.

if you think GMO is good look at how Russia 'banned' it and Europe now made it mandatory to label it and India is now in a huge battle over gmo food as most of the country is vegetarian

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blah blah blah, we have covered this

Why are they banned in those countries?

GMO food has excito toxins and neuro toxins in it and is the reason the average IQ has went from 120 in the 70s to below 100 now
the dumbing down of the population

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more lies brought here by DNA
Why would anyone think that a pl;ant could do that?
It is amazingly naive.

i mean would you spray round up on your salad and then eat it? or on your cannabis and then smoke it?

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What? Nice source DNA. Is this what you have sunk to now, using a message board post as your source?
The natural news has slightly more credibility than this guy.

if you really want to discuss issues then start with coherency and assigning quotes to the actual poster they came from...
from there it is traditional to discuss not accuse...
berating sarcasm is also not helpful when trying to talk with people...
sometimes it is helpful though to attempt inducing benign laughter in effort to find at least one place we can all meet up in peace, happiness and mutual respect...

[video=youtube;5f5a0v3skhM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&amp;v=5f5a0v3skhM[/video]

DNA...

What makes you think the Dutch (et al) would stop selling Cannabis seeds?

I don't see them just giving up because the US has GM dope...unless the GM dope seeds were so good they put the Dutch out of business...and then that's the free market (ie consumers) deciding, not Monsanto.

Harrekin said:

DNA...

What makes you think the Dutch (et al) would stop selling Cannabis seeds?

I don't see them just giving up because the US has GM dope...unless the GM dope seeds were so good they put the Dutch out of business...and then that's the free market (ie consumers) deciding, not Monsanto.

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good point (honestly) but here in norcal i guess 'we' kinda feel like a lot of years etc have gone into the seeds we have and many (including me) feel we have far better seed stock then what is readily available in Europe etc...and I agree that if folks want gmo whatever and it doesn't effect me or others who choose not to partake then by all means, but my concern is that the coming fed laws will at the end of the day keep our 'homegrown' seeds illegal and thereby try to force us all to use gmo cannabis...

DNAprotection said:

if you really want to discuss issues then start with coherency and assigning quotes to the actual poster they came from...

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You posted a story from a thread. No one thinks you said that garbage, we all know you post crap you do not beleive in with little or no comment. Do you have anything concrete or is it all just stories?

DNAprotection said:

from there it is traditional to discuss not accuse...

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What?
Let's discuss what you have posted. We can do that.
Usually people make a relevant comment about what they post, even if they post a story that is easily debunked.

DNAprotection said:

berating sarcasm is also not helpful when trying to talk with people...

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Neither is posting lies from the natural news with out comment.
Stop posting lies with out comments.

DNAprotection said:

sometimes it is helpful though to attempt inducing benign laughter in effort to find at least one place we can all meet up in peace, happiness and mutual respect...

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You are not respectful at all. You sjhould start with yourself.
Perhaps stop calling people names?

DNAprotection said:

[video=youtube;5f5a0v3skhM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&amp;v=5f5a0v3skhM[/video]

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Why do you expect any one to take you seriously?

Harrekin said:

DNA...

What makes you think the Dutch (et al) would stop selling Cannabis seeds?

I don't see them just giving up because the US has GM dope...unless the GM dope seeds were so good they put the Dutch out of business...and then that's the free market (ie consumers) deciding, not Monsanto.

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What happened with that guy that claims Monsanto already own 85% of all seed companies? Slicked off, I guess.

DNAprotection said:

good point (honestly) but here in norcal i guess 'we' kinda feel like a lot of years etc have gone into the seeds we have and many (including me) feel we have far better seed stock then what is readily available in Europe etc...

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So why are you so worried about GMO and cannabis? Is the government going to confiscate your seeds?
How is the government going to stop seed companies in Europe? How are they going to do this in the face of looming legalization?
Why haven't they already?

All you can come up with is baseless stories, fiction.

DNAprotection said:

and I agree that if folks want gmo whatever and it doesn't effect me or others who choose not to partake then by all means, but my concern is that the coming fed laws will at the end of the day keep our 'homegrown' seeds illegal and thereby try to force us all to use gmo cannabis...

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What law? The one you made up in your head?

Even if they do continue to keep seeds illegal, how is that going to effect me and my friends who have thousands of seeds on hand? There are tons of people illegally making seeds. There are wild varieties. I am not worried about paranoid stories.

you have clearly misread what you quoted and in response to your other posts your just simply not up to date bro...

DNAprotection said:

you have clearly misread what you quoted and in response to your other posts your just simply not up to date bro...

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It is hard to read your posts. You do not embrace punctuation rules, you misuse ellipses and your syntax is difficult to follow.
If you would like to explain your point in a more clear way, I'd be happy to read it.


I do not think you're up to date, bra.

Trousers said:

It is hard to read your posts. You do not embrace punctuation rules, you misuse ellipses and your syntax is difficult to follow.
If you would like to explain your point in a more clear way, I'd be happy to read it.


I do not think you're up to date, bra.

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lol for the first time we absolutely agree on all counts bro and that's a place to start...but the 'up to date' part that I was referring to was about the general demeanor around here and my response to it etc...

Trousers said:

It is hard to read your posts. You do not embrace punctuation rules, you misuse ellipses and your syntax is difficult to follow.
If you would like to explain your point in a more clear way, I'd be happy to read it.


I do not think you're up to date, bra.

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Nah, DNA has chilled out on the Natural News and is discussing this without some pig references so I think that's what he meant by "up to date".

Doer said:

The last refuge of the passive-aggressive when called out, is to deflect. And a typical, usual deflection, I see all the time at work, is to claim the victory that they have upset the other person.

But, of course, the Claim of Victory is the Freudian slip. It is so obvious that is what they are trying to do (the essence of p-agression) because they will claim it when it is completely false! Woops.....slip is showing.

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"I aint even mad"

Translation: "I am Not Upset about the subject at hand."


this does not mean the same thing as

"U Mad" "Your Jimmies Are Rustled" or "Problem, _____________? "

those are about trolling. "I aint even mad" indicates a LACK of trolling, and a failure to fall victim to trolling from the opposition.