Miracle Gro Organic Potting Mix Test vs Coco

Do you think the Miracle Gro Organic Potting Mix will produce good results?

  • Yes

    Votes: 24 55.8%

  • No

    Votes: 9 20.9%

  • Maybe, here's why...

    Votes: 10 23.3%
  • Total voters
    43
  • Poll closed .
Cyrus420

Cyrus420

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nobodies said:
You can buy Dolomite Lime, and mix it into your watering Regiment. I would do one watering with it right away, then every month. Dolimite lime has a Neutral PH perfect for Cannabis, while coco tends to be acidic, and can lockout alot of nutrients. Give it a try.

Also Coco is a very amazing medium for Organic too. You add in organic fertilizers like kelp meal, aflafla meal, bone meal, green sand. Then you water your plants with an organic tea full of microbes. These microbes break down the Organic stuff you added into the soil, and the plant eats what the bacteria breaks down. In my experience so far (limited), it creates exceptionally healthy plants, with no burning, no discolorations, dark green leaves, and no deficiencies at all.

You can still do this actually, simply by mixing the organic nutes into the top 2 inches of soil. Then building up your soils bacterial/fungal flora. Either using compost tea, or a pre-bought mix. Like great white, or AN Voodoo Juice.
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I'm doing hand watered drain to waste with salt based nutes so I can directly control the amount of nutrients I get. The soil is going to be used as is. I was tempted to amend my mediums with extra materials but simplicity is the name of the game for me at the moment.
 
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SPLFreak808 said:
True, however if he really wanted a real answer then he should be using familiar clones anyway. Atleast it will be fun to watch but we still cant compare yield and quality through the medium used without familiar clones.
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How can I not? I understand different phenotype may present themselves during the course of the grow since I'm started from seed but surely I can find some notable differences since the only differing factor is medium itself.

It's almost like you guys are telling me I'm learning the wrong way by be curious and experimenting. Overall I don't get the point as the majority of users on this website advocate doing things yourself but a few in number like you are half dumping on the grow when I'm doing exactly what it takes to learn more about growing weed...by growing it.

So I still don't get what point you two are trying to make. This is merely to see the differences two grow mediums have a the same strain of plant. I never once said this was an in-depth detailed tell all into the differences between organic and coco only done with clones. It's a personal seeded experiment and once again I don't understand the point of telling me I can't do this that or the other...you're acting as if I declared this some sort of scientific experiment.

TL;DR: Even if I'm not controlling every variable scientifically I'm still learning something so that's nothing to dump on.
 
Cyrus420

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nobodies said:
You can buy Dolomite Lime, and mix it into your watering Regiment. I would do one watering with it right away, then every month. Dolimite lime has a Neutral PH perfect for Cannabis, while coco tends to be acidic, and can lockout alot of nutrients. Give it a try.

Also Coco is a very amazing medium for Organic too. You add in organic fertilizers like kelp meal, aflafla meal, bone meal, green sand. Then you water your plants with an organic tea full of microbes. These microbes break down the Organic stuff you added into the soil, and the plant eats what the bacteria breaks down. In my experience so far (limited), it creates exceptionally healthy plants, with no burning, no discolorations, dark green leaves, and no deficiencies at all.

You can still do this actually, simply by mixing the organic nutes into the top 2 inches of soil. Then building up your soils bacterial/fungal flora. Either using compost tea, or a pre-bought mix. Like great white, or AN Voodoo Juice.
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I was under the impression coco was PH neutral hence why it's treated as a hydroponic medium as opposed to a soil. This is the first I've read anyone recommending such things for coco, might be worth looking into but this grow is just simple nutrition with water PH'd to hydro preferences. As for the soil I'm using it as is. My OP states I'm merely curious as to the different results soil vs coco could bring, especially when that soil is a Miracle Gro product. This is mainly an experimental grow with the end result being satisfied curiosity and some nice dank Lemon Kush.
 
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Cyrus420 said:
How can I not? I understand different phenotype may present themselves during the course of the grow since I'm started from seed but surely I can find some notable differences since the only differing factor is medium itself.

It's almost like you guys are telling me I'm learning the wrong way by be curious and experimenting. Overall I don't get the point as the majority of users on this website advocate doing things yourself but a few in number like you are half dumping on the grow when I'm doing exactly what it takes to learn more about growing weed...by growing it.

So I still don't get what point you two are trying to make. This is merely to see the differences two grow mediums have a the same strain of plant. I never once said this was an in-depth detailed tell all into the differences between organic and coco only done with clones. It's a personal seeded experiment and once again I don't understand the point of telling me I can't do this that or the other...you're acting as if I declared this some sort of scientific experiment.

TL;DR: Even if I'm not controlling every variable scientifically I'm still learning something so that's nothing to dump on.
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I do appreciate your experiment and I think you will learn from it. But, I agree that to actually be conclusive of varying results from seed, you would need to grow out more plants in both mediums because of the variation in phenos even from the same pack of seeds. I have gotten starkly contrasting results from different plants, even from the same genes from the same pack. Anyway, none of that matters if you're having fun with it.

When I was a noob i started out with MG and CFL. It was my first grow and it was AWESOME in quantity and yield in only 56 days. The next time and from the same pack(I think it's been a long while) was a much smaller plant and the yield was less. That's pretty normal in my experience and that was quality Dinafem genes. An old strain called Roadrunner.

Then I went to RDWC hydro and higher end nutes. Like an 8 part nute system the "Recipe for Success". It worked great actually, but PHing every night and mixing all those different bottles just isn't my thing. It's been a while but, I think I only grew that way 2-3 times. Not because it's bad I just don't want to put a lot of effort even if you get slight more yield and faster which I didn't really see a big difference. I am sure others who put more time and effort getting it dialed in have better results but. Just not my thing.

Then I went to hempy bucket using perlite which is a "passive hydro" which is similar to coco and eventually went to the Lucas Formula. Feed every 2 days and just add Maxibloom, CalMag and PH it to 6. Easy peasy and gives great results fast. I did that for a long while and it is a great way to grow. Your coco is passive hydro as well since the medium offers up no nutrient value. So I would probably like that, of course I would do the Lucas formula, tho I've heard of PH issues with the coco whereas I never had any issues using perlite medium.

Now I'm back to soil and have a giant bag of happy frog stil using the Lucas formula described above after a month as the soil's nutrients diminish.

Anyway, sounds like a fun experiment to me but, I also agree that had you used clones it would have given you a more qualifiable comparison of the two different methods. Plus, it sounds like you haven't really got your methods dialed in yet so that may affect the results as well. Nobodies knocking your efforts tho. Eff it lol just do what you wanna do. I'm going to follow your thread bro because I am interested in seeing your results. And if I ever buy more soil I'm just gonna try MG again. Probably organic. Sounds awesome bro!
 
SPLFreak808

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Cyrus420 said:
How can I not? I understand different phenotype may present themselves during the course of the grow since I'm started from seed but surely I can find some notable differences since the only differing factor is medium itself.

It's almost like you guys are telling me I'm learning the wrong way by be curious and experimenting. Overall I don't get the point as the majority of users on this website advocate doing things yourself but a few in number like you are half dumping on the grow when I'm doing exactly what it takes to learn more about growing weed...by growing it.

So I still don't get what point you two are trying to make. This is merely to see the differences two grow mediums have a the same strain of plant. I never once said this was an in-depth detailed tell all into the differences between organic and coco only done with clones. It's a personal seeded experiment and once again I don't understand the point of telling me I can't do this that or the other...you're acting as if I declared this some sort of scientific experiment.

TL;DR: Even if I'm not controlling every variable scientifically I'm still learning something so that's nothing to dump on.
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You know, "side by side" can be a bit misleading but im not judging and sorry if i came of as an ass, however if you take a look at my reply to QW, i was just stating it's not a serious comparison just as you said so yourself! Man some phenos grow very very fast, some root fast, some make fat ass flowers so for example, its still very possible that the soil grow could still outyield the coco vice versa and you will never truly know without the same mother but atleast you get to play with two mediums and learn in the process.
 
Cyrus420

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GrowUrOwnDank said:
I do appreciate your experiment and I think you will learn from it. But, I agree that to actually be conclusive of varying results from seed, you would need to grow out more plants in both mediums because of the variation in phenos even from the same pack of seeds. I have gotten starkly contrasting results from different plants, even from the same genes from the same pack. Anyway, none of that matters if you're having fun with it.

When I was a noob i started out with MG and CFL. It was my first grow and it was AWESOME in quantity and yield in only 56 days. The next time and from the same pack(I think it's been a long while) was a much smaller plant and the yield was less. That's pretty normal in my experience and that was quality Dinafem genes. An old strain called Roadrunner.

Then I went to RDWC hydro and higher end nutes. Like an 8 part nute system the "Recipe for Success". It worked great actually, but PHing every night and mixing all those different bottles just isn't my thing. It's been a while but, I think I only grew that way 2-3 times. Not because it's bad I just don't want to put a lot of effort even if you get slight more yield and faster which I didn't really see a big difference. I am sure others who put more time and effort getting it dialed in have better results but. Just not my thing.

Then I went to hempy bucket using perlite which is a "passive hydro" which is similar to coco and eventually went to the Lucas Formula. Feed every 2 days and just add Maxibloom, CalMag and PH it to 6. Easy peasy and gives great results fast. I did that for a long while and it is a great way to grow. Your coco is passive hydro as well since the medium offers up no nutrient value. So I would probably like that, of course I would do the Lucas formula, tho I've heard of PH issues with the coco whereas I never had any issues using perlite medium.

Now I'm back to soil and have a giant bag of happy frog stil using the Lucas formula described above after a month as the soil's nutrients diminish.

Anyway, sounds like a fun experiment to me but, I also agree that had you used clones it would have given you a more qualifiable comparison of the two different methods. Plus, it sounds like you haven't really got your methods dialed in yet so that may affect the results as well. Nobodies knocking your efforts tho. Eff it lol just do what you wanna do. I'm going to follow your thread bro because I am interested in seeing your results. And if I ever buy more soil I'm just gonna try MG again. Probably organic. Sounds awesome bro!
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I appreciate all the various points of view people have. I do agree starting with clones would be nice but where I'm from it's not exactly like I can just go get any...I'd be surprised to even find another grower where I live. I'm quite isolated and while this offers up a lot of privacy I don't currently even have a way to get clones save by making my own, even then I only have a 2x2x5 tent to grow in with limited outdoor options (limited meaning I can have a seedling out there but nothing else.)

Shoot if I lived somewhere where I could get all this no problem ya'll wouldn't be seeing this thread. It'd be like "Hey check out these blue cheese clones I just got, popping them into my 4x4 under 600W of HPS! Gonna scrog this bitch all the way out and see what the yield is."

But right now it's like "Hey...got some uh...seeds. Let's see what it do."
 
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SPLFreak808 said:
You know, "side by side" can be a bit misleading but im not judging and sorry if i came of as an ass, however if you take a look at my reply to QW, i was just stating it's not a serious comparison just as you said so yourself! Man some phenos grow very very fast, some root fast, some make fat ass flowers so for example, its still very possible that the soil grow could still outyield the coco vice versa and you will never truly know without the same mother but atleast you get to play with two mediums and learn in the process.
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Naw you weren't an ass. I was a little confused because I didn't realize how much of a side by side my grow was looking like. I appreciate the different view points and it's something to consider while growing. I do just want to point out could I get clones I would as of now unless I make my own I'm SOL. No where to keep a mother plant or to properly root clones as I have a single 2x2 space to grow in without many other options, not my house and all that.
 
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Cyrus420 said:
I appreciate all the various points of view people have. I do agree starting with clones would be nice but where I'm from it's not exactly like I can just go get any...I'd be surprised to even find another grower where I live. I'm quite isolated and while this offers up a lot of privacy I don't currently even have a way to get clones save by making my own, even then I only have a 2x2x5 tent to grow in with limited outdoor options (limited meaning I can have a seedling out there but nothing else.)

Shoot if I lived somewhere where I could get all this no problem ya'll wouldn't be seeing this thread. It'd be like "Hey check out these blue cheese clones I just got, popping them into my 4x4 under 600W of HPS! Gonna scrog this bitch all the way out and see what the yield is."

But right now it's like "Hey...got some uh...seeds. Let's see what it do."
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Just a suggestion. But, you can even take clones in flower. So, I might cut like 4 clones or so in mid flower from your best plant and see if you can get them to root. The try your experiment again and you don't have to have a mother plant. Assuming you like the strain I don't think it hurts the plant at all to take clones in flower because although I have no reason to make clones, I only grow for personal and do not grow all year. And I clip leaves hear and there sometimes even in late flower, it doesn't hurt the plant. So clones won't either unless you take too much off and stunt it which would be vary bad. As a matter of fact I'm not even growing right now. Since I'm a micro grower too I understand your limitations. If I grew a pound it would last me probably five years lol and be all moldy and crap. lol. I get it bro.
 
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GrowUrOwnDank said:
Just a suggestion. But, you can even take clones in flower. So, I might cut like 4 clones or so in mid flower from your best plant and see if you can get them to root. The try your experiment again and you don't have to have a mother plant. Assuming you like the strain I don't think it hurts the plant at all to take clones in flower because although I have no reason to make clones, I only grow for personal and do not grow all year. And I clip leaves hear and there sometimes even in late flower, it doesn't hurt the plant. So clones won't either unless you take too much off and stunt it which would be vary bad. As a matter of fact I'm not even growing right now. Since I'm a micro grower too I understand your limitations. If I grew a pound it would last me probably five years lol and be all moldy and crap. lol. I get it bro.
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Would totally take clones during flowering for monster cropping, sad thing is I have no where to keep or care for said clones while my flowering plant finishes, unless I try to take clones like super late into flower, like at harvest.
 
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So seed two has popped the soil as well and now the sisters are together. Shaundi and Gwyndolin here are going to make daddy loads of lovely buds...I hope. For now here are some pictures.

I also ordered a 6" Apollo Horticulture 440 CFM Inline Fan w/ built in speed control and some Ducting to vent my tent out my window so the temperatures should be taking a drop. I'm going to be moving my tent next to the window which also has an AC Unit sitting in it. I'm hoping with passive intake from the AC unit cooling the room I'll be able to keep temps in the 75-80 range. I'm expecting closer to 80-85 but that is a big step down from the 90-100 I was dealing with during flowering with the 250W HPS.
 

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Assuming it's an 8 week flowering plant if you take 4 clones 4 weeks before harvest, it generally take a couple of weeks to make roots. At least 2 root and that gives you a four week window befor your harvest. Me, if I were going to do that I would put them in a window to get sun. They should be in a small container or better yet a rockwool cube. So they won't take up much space. Leave them in the box while lights are on then just put in a Window sill or under a small CFL during dark or whatever to get them to go back to veg. It's doable is all I'm saying. I don't clone much TBH. That's more of a commercial game. I also don't scrog or train much although if I go back to a Sativa Dom I will. Just so I can keep the lights closer since Sativas in my experience stretch quite a lot. I've had them get 4 1/2 to 5 feet from the soil and only use 150 HPS and a 120 watt UFP LED. So they need to stay short. I've topped too but, don't bother with that either since I don't need that much weed. We all do things different to meet our own objectives and needs. I don't smoke a lot, like an O lasts me a long time. So if I get 3 Os even though I have been smoking daily for a couple of years now that would easily last me a year. I do share with friends sometimes tho so it depends. I usually only smoke in the evenings and sometimes during the day on the weekends. I have a little left over from last fall actually almost a year old. And my ex gf helped me get rid of much of that. lol. Anyway bro. No one is dumping on your grow method or style. Just offering up options you may or may want not to consider. Have a good one.
 
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Taking clones and trying to manage two or three stages of growth requires at least two seperate grow areas and some times more depending on your grow methods. It gets kinda of complicated for me due to using trays and net pots. I couldn't imagine only having a 2x2 area. I struggle with 8x8 lol. Anywhoo not sure why some are trying to make this more than it is, a neat little project, clones or not :).
 
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Budley Doright said:
Taking clones and trying to manage two or three stages of growth requires at least two seperate grow areas and some times more depending on your grow methods. It gets kinda of complicated for me due to using trays and net pots. I couldn't imagine only having a 2x2 area. I struggle with 8x8 lol. Anywhoo not sure why some are trying to make this more than it is, a neat little project, clones or not :).
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LOL. :roll:
 
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Moved Shaundi to a jiffy pot so I could keep both my girls even under my CFL. She wasn't even phased by the transition and is praying to the light. Can't wait to get my fan and drop these temperatures down. This grow is going to be like the ones I imagined in my head when I first started thinking about putting seed to soil.
 

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Cyrus420 said:
Moved Shaundi to a jiffy pot so I could keep both my girls even under my CFL. She wasn't even phased by the transition and is praying to the light. Can't wait to get my fan and drop these temperatures down. This grow is going to be like the ones I imagined in my head when I first started thinking about putting seed to soil.
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Awe. Your babies are beautiful.
 
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GrowUrOwnDank said:
Awe. Your babies are beautiful.
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Thank you, mind if I use this post to point something out?

I'd just like to take a second to point out to all the people out there still frustrated you can't get your seeds to germinate all I did with these was make up cups of soil in the bathroom, poke a 1/2" hole, insert seed, gently cover, gently water and after four to five days you have seedlings that look like this.
 
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Cyrus420 said:
Thank you, mind if I use this post to point something out?

I'd just like to take a second to point out to all the people out there still frustrated you can't get your seeds to germinate all I did with these was make up cups of soil in the bathroom, poke a 1/2" hole, insert seed, gently cover, gently water and after four to five days you have seedlings that look like this.
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Hell I had a plant germinate and grow out of the carpet in my dorm, actually started to water it lol. Just saying they'll pretty much grow anywhere given heat, water and light. One grew in the engine well if my pontoon boat while covered for the winter as well. Those Mexican seeds just seemed to get every where lol.
 
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Budley Doright said:
Hell I had a plant germinate and grow out of the carpet in my dorm, actually started to water it lol. Just saying they'll pretty much grow anywhere given heat, water and light. One grew in the engine well if my pontoon boat while covered for the winter as well. Those Mexican seeds just seemed to get every where lol.
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It's so true though yet we see so many users killing perfectly fine seeds.

"Hey guys I got my seeds in a jiffy pellet spraying with mist every 2.5 hours under three domes under a UV light on a heating blanket coated in mycos I keep pulling the seed out every five hours but there is no tap root...help?"
 
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